Gavin Newsom

They're just in the last few years in this high interest rate environment. So we'll see how quickly things unlock as interest rates drop down. But fundamentally, it's the nimbyism that drags it.

They're just in the last few years in this high interest rate environment. So we'll see how quickly things unlock as interest rates drop down. But fundamentally, it's the nimbyism that drags it.

They're just in the last few years in this high interest rate environment. So we'll see how quickly things unlock as interest rates drop down. But fundamentally, it's the nimbyism that drags it.

Yeah, these are local elected officials.

Yeah, these are local elected officials.

Yeah, these are local elected officials.

I don't want to get into really parochial politics, but we can talk about a 500-unit project on Stevenson Street in San Francisco was never going to get done until the state intervened and compelled the hand of the city to actually move forward. Again, I mean, and you've got an ideological war that's going on in progressive cities that don't believe in the supply-demand framework.

I don't want to get into really parochial politics, but we can talk about a 500-unit project on Stevenson Street in San Francisco was never going to get done until the state intervened and compelled the hand of the city to actually move forward. Again, I mean, and you've got an ideological war that's going on in progressive cities that don't believe in the supply-demand framework.

I don't want to get into really parochial politics, but we can talk about a 500-unit project on Stevenson Street in San Francisco was never going to get done until the state intervened and compelled the hand of the city to actually move forward. Again, I mean, and you've got an ideological war that's going on in progressive cities that don't believe in the supply-demand framework.

They don't believe in this notion of abundance fundamentally. They have a degrowth mindset, which you talk a lot about, or at least write about in the book. And so you're struggling with that ideological spectrum. But San Francisco, I mean, it's just infamously just loves its neighborhoods. Doesn't want to see it up zone. Don't want to see the density.

They don't believe in this notion of abundance fundamentally. They have a degrowth mindset, which you talk a lot about, or at least write about in the book. And so you're struggling with that ideological spectrum. But San Francisco, I mean, it's just infamously just loves its neighborhoods. Doesn't want to see it up zone. Don't want to see the density.

They don't believe in this notion of abundance fundamentally. They have a degrowth mindset, which you talk a lot about, or at least write about in the book. And so you're struggling with that ideological spectrum. But San Francisco, I mean, it's just infamously just loves its neighborhoods. Doesn't want to see it up zone. Don't want to see the density.

So they're constantly pushing back against this. And we are, as a state, finally intervening in ways the state has never intervened in the past. So I think it's a little too early to sort of assert the sort of fatalism or have a fatalistic stance.

So they're constantly pushing back against this. And we are, as a state, finally intervening in ways the state has never intervened in the past. So I think it's a little too early to sort of assert the sort of fatalism or have a fatalistic stance.

So they're constantly pushing back against this. And we are, as a state, finally intervening in ways the state has never intervened in the past. So I think it's a little too early to sort of assert the sort of fatalism or have a fatalistic stance.

a notion of what hasn't yet occurred when, in fact, we're starting now to flex our muscles and the application of these laws are now starting to fully go into effect. And ultimately, we want to see them materialize and manifest. But I think that's the friction. But look, let me just stipulate again, we're not arguing here. You're 100% right. I'm just asking, I'm curious.

a notion of what hasn't yet occurred when, in fact, we're starting now to flex our muscles and the application of these laws are now starting to fully go into effect. And ultimately, we want to see them materialize and manifest. But I think that's the friction. But look, let me just stipulate again, we're not arguing here. You're 100% right. I'm just asking, I'm curious.

a notion of what hasn't yet occurred when, in fact, we're starting now to flex our muscles and the application of these laws are now starting to fully go into effect. And ultimately, we want to see them materialize and manifest. But I think that's the friction. But look, let me just stipulate again, we're not arguing here. You're 100% right. I'm just asking, I'm curious.

No, but also you're not, you know, you talk about it as a bagel liberalism.

No, but also you're not, you know, you talk about it as a bagel liberalism.