Gavin Newsom

And we also are saving a couple of interviews to sort of think about what happened after his presidency and until the dust –

settles a bit it's going to be hard to talk about it we've also been filming people who knew dr king in the service of a big biography on king so those are very much active and we've just begun work on a big history we originally thought for years we'd do something on the cold war and i just switched it about a year ago or six months ago in my mind to doing a history of the cia

And just think about it.

You'll get the Cold War, but you'll get all the intimacies of the stories and you'll be in every president's Oval Office and you'll be in exotic places all around the world with people who are putting their life on their lines and big mistakes, huge mistakes, and heroic unsung successes.

And that's the essence of a good story, right?

in an essence of a hell of a life, Ken.

Look at you.

I mean, decades of work.

I mean, so you are hardly slowing down.

No, no, no.

So I'm 72 and I'm like an idiot.

I've got more on my plate than I've ever had because, you know, if I were given a thousand years to live, which I will not be given, I would not run out of topics in American history.

So there's this kind of sense of urgency of like having to get it done.

There's so many great stories still to be told.

It can move people.

Well, you know, it's a benign Trojan horse.

You let the story in and it doesn't come out in the middle of the night and slay the populace and burn the city down.

It comes out and it has the possibility of offering people not the binary that doesn't exist in the real world, only in computers, a one and a zero, and only in a media thing, red state or blue state, right?

So if you've got a complicated story, then you have to begin to understand like, oh, I have these two.

And I can't be convinced that it's only black or white from what the TV tells me.