Gavin Newsom

And it marked for me a consciousness that, you know, there are red lines with him,

but he has remarkable capacity to move beyond them and continue.

And you see that over and over and over again.

And so he's a complex person in every way, shape or form, but I think in so many ways he's broken.

It's on page 50 of the book.

Page 50.

People go out and buy the book.

Best way to buy it's in bulk.

Well, I think they want someone who knows why.

Why they're running.

Yeah, knows who they are, why they're running.

That is authentic and is honest.

They can express a point of view and defend it.

That may have contradictions, meaning they may not agree with every single thing, but they're able to at least articulate a why, that have some humility, have some grace and understanding that good people exist on the other side of those debates and conversations.

And I think people want, and I heard this everywhere,

And I was in the deep South, went to a lot of churches and perhaps it was not surprising, but in the spirit of Isaiah, they want a repair of the breach.

It's like, we're just exhausted.

This can't continue forever.

And they also want this.

And it's why it's a complicated question.