Gemma Speck

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Hello everybody, I'm Gemma Speck and welcome back to The Psychology of Your 20s, the podcast where we talk through the biggest changes, moments and transitions of our 20s and what they mean for our psychology.

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Welcome back to the show.

Welcome back to the podcast.

New listeners, old listeners, wherever you are in the world, you guys know the deal.

It is so great to have you here back for another episode, as we of course, break down the psychology of our 20s.

There is a very famous saying, at least I think it's famous, that if it was easy, everybody would be doing it.

And when I was in university, I used to have that printed out on like a piece of paper.

I think I even wrote it out and I had it blue tacked

on my wall above my desk and when I was studying for exams when I was working through assignments it was kind of like my go-to phrase for motivation to like embrace the hard stuff to appreciate that hard things bring about the best rewards that kind of gist and

However, as I have gotten older, and I was thinking about that quote the other day, and this is what has inspired that episode, as I've gotten older, I've sort of revised my thinking around this.

You know, yes, definitely, some of the best things in life do demand a lot of our effort, time, energy, attention, but does that necessarily mean that they need to be unenjoyable or difficult to

Does it always have to be such like a mental slug?

I think those words and like concepts tend to get all melted together when we talk about doing hard things.

We imagine that they have to be almost painful and