Gene Demby

You know, it was really interesting to see Ben Shapiro, you know, famed right wing pundit sort of lamenting the air quotes, the less response to the shooting and taking glee. His audience clapped back at him really pretty hard. It was like, nah, this is not a left thing. We are very angry at these people, too.

Like, we don't have tears to shed for these people as well, which is really interesting to watch them have to metabolize the fact that this wasn't like partisan schadenfreude. This was like a thing that is felt broadly across ideological categories.

Like, we don't have tears to shed for these people as well, which is really interesting to watch them have to metabolize the fact that this wasn't like partisan schadenfreude. This was like a thing that is felt broadly across ideological categories.

Like, we don't have tears to shed for these people as well, which is really interesting to watch them have to metabolize the fact that this wasn't like partisan schadenfreude. This was like a thing that is felt broadly across ideological categories.

I keep thinking about when we cover like police violence on Code Switch, one of the things we always have to like remind people is that like these individual cases, they often unearth like all this feeling. Anger that people have over historical racism, right? Like it all comes to bear on these individual cases.

I keep thinking about when we cover like police violence on Code Switch, one of the things we always have to like remind people is that like these individual cases, they often unearth like all this feeling. Anger that people have over historical racism, right? Like it all comes to bear on these individual cases.

I keep thinking about when we cover like police violence on Code Switch, one of the things we always have to like remind people is that like these individual cases, they often unearth like all this feeling. Anger that people have over historical racism, right? Like it all comes to bear on these individual cases.

But there's no way the actual resolution of these cases like in an American court, right? Like- It's going to resolve all those issues. Right. And so I imagine that the trial for Luigi Mangione is going to be really, really heavily covered. Right. Maybe even like OJ levels of coverage. Right.

But there's no way the actual resolution of these cases like in an American court, right? Like- It's going to resolve all those issues. Right. And so I imagine that the trial for Luigi Mangione is going to be really, really heavily covered. Right. Maybe even like OJ levels of coverage. Right.

But there's no way the actual resolution of these cases like in an American court, right? Like- It's going to resolve all those issues. Right. And so I imagine that the trial for Luigi Mangione is going to be really, really heavily covered. Right. Maybe even like OJ levels of coverage. Right.

But then what's going to happen is that people are going to like think of the verdict as reckoning with all this other stuff that this case is unearthed. And it can't do that. The verdict is only about this case. It's only about who shot whom, who was where. I wonder what that means for how we do or don't resolve all that other stuff.

But then what's going to happen is that people are going to like think of the verdict as reckoning with all this other stuff that this case is unearthed. And it can't do that. The verdict is only about this case. It's only about who shot whom, who was where. I wonder what that means for how we do or don't resolve all that other stuff.

But then what's going to happen is that people are going to like think of the verdict as reckoning with all this other stuff that this case is unearthed. And it can't do that. The verdict is only about this case. It's only about who shot whom, who was where. I wonder what that means for how we do or don't resolve all that other stuff.

So I guess to close out, I'm wondering, at the end of the day, this is still the killing of a man whose murder, as we said, is standing in for all these other things, right? This rage that so many people feel towards this larger system. I'm wondering, what do you think are the wrong lessons that we could take away from this moment?

So I guess to close out, I'm wondering, at the end of the day, this is still the killing of a man whose murder, as we said, is standing in for all these other things, right? This rage that so many people feel towards this larger system. I'm wondering, what do you think are the wrong lessons that we could take away from this moment?

So I guess to close out, I'm wondering, at the end of the day, this is still the killing of a man whose murder, as we said, is standing in for all these other things, right? This rage that so many people feel towards this larger system. I'm wondering, what do you think are the wrong lessons that we could take away from this moment?

Abide, you are incredible. I've learned so much here. Thank you so much for coming in and trying to think about this and trying to make sense of this very banana story. And obviously the story is far from over. I mean, this trial is going to be. an obsession. So thank you for coming on. Thank you so much for having me.

Abide, you are incredible. I've learned so much here. Thank you so much for coming in and trying to think about this and trying to make sense of this very banana story. And obviously the story is far from over. I mean, this trial is going to be. an obsession. So thank you for coming on. Thank you so much for having me.

Abide, you are incredible. I've learned so much here. Thank you so much for coming in and trying to think about this and trying to make sense of this very banana story. And obviously the story is far from over. I mean, this trial is going to be. an obsession. So thank you for coming on. Thank you so much for having me.

That was Abine Clayton. She covers gun violence for The Guardian. We're going to take a quick break, but when we get back, I'm handing the mic back over to Brittany Luce, the great. She's going to get into why you should have gratitude, not just on the holidays, but all year round. As for me, I'm Gene Demby. And as for you, you're listening to It's Been a Minute from NPR.