Geoff Brumfiel

And historically, at least, testing's been done in some pretty marginalized communities, places in rural Nevada, rural Mississippi, the Aleutian Islands. These are communities where the population just doesn't have that much political power. But there's also another way in which the resumption of nuclear testing could hurt the U.S. strategically.

And historically, at least, testing's been done in some pretty marginalized communities, places in rural Nevada, rural Mississippi, the Aleutian Islands. These are communities where the population just doesn't have that much political power. But there's also another way in which the resumption of nuclear testing could hurt the U.S. strategically.

The U.S. has more than 1,000 nuclear tests under its belt. Now, China only has 45. Oh, wow. So if global testing resumes, China's going to learn a lot more from test 46 than the U.S. will from its next test. But I should say, like, you know, this isn't all up to Trump and the Trump administration and America. China or Russia could decide it was time to do an underground test.

The U.S. has more than 1,000 nuclear tests under its belt. Now, China only has 45. Oh, wow. So if global testing resumes, China's going to learn a lot more from test 46 than the U.S. will from its next test. But I should say, like, you know, this isn't all up to Trump and the Trump administration and America. China or Russia could decide it was time to do an underground test.

The U.S. has more than 1,000 nuclear tests under its belt. Now, China only has 45. Oh, wow. So if global testing resumes, China's going to learn a lot more from test 46 than the U.S. will from its next test. But I should say, like, you know, this isn't all up to Trump and the Trump administration and America. China or Russia could decide it was time to do an underground test.

And if they did, the U.S. would be under a lot of pressure to test as well.

And if they did, the U.S. would be under a lot of pressure to test as well.

And if they did, the U.S. would be under a lot of pressure to test as well.

That's exactly it. And, you know, if testing happens, arms control experts worry it's going to spark new kinds of research into other nuclear weapons and those weapons will get built and we'll be right back in the middle of a nuclear arms race.

That's exactly it. And, you know, if testing happens, arms control experts worry it's going to spark new kinds of research into other nuclear weapons and those weapons will get built and we'll be right back in the middle of a nuclear arms race.

That's exactly it. And, you know, if testing happens, arms control experts worry it's going to spark new kinds of research into other nuclear weapons and those weapons will get built and we'll be right back in the middle of a nuclear arms race.

You're welcome, Gina. Pleasure to be here.

You're welcome, Gina. Pleasure to be here.

You're welcome, Gina. Pleasure to be here.