George Butler

But before we do so, I mean, you were in the room with Janine.

What were your initial observations?

There was one thing that I did change my mind on.

You know, she said, we're not a media company, we're a tech company.

I mean, firstly, find me a media company now that isn't a tech company is what I would say to that.

But on the flip side, I kind of understand that

She doesn't care if anyone listens to these things.

She doesn't care what the quality is.

I already knew that, but now I understand why she doesn't care because this isn't about producing content.

This is about using audio as a vehicle to develop this technology.

That's not to excuse some of the issues and problems I have, but I now understand where she is and what the business is at.

Look, let me go through a couple of my observations.

Firstly, the point about...

niche audiences being served?

Well, I understand that, yeah, you know, if you want a podcast on, as she said, real estate in a specific town in America, maybe, you know, maybe you are being served by an AI podcast.

I question how well you're being served because the quality of these shows is pretty poor.

The reviews, the feedback, you know, shows that.

On the flip side, so saying, you know,

We're a tech company.

We don't really care how many people listen to then start kind of boasting about a million listeners is a bit contradictory, but also actually, if you break it down tens of thousands of episodes released a day, um,