George Knapp

But as we know from interacting with him on this program, he's

It's likely it could be the closest we ever get to actual disclosure, what the government knows, at least in the OSAP program.

And then, you know, Jeremy, as you know, he doesn't grant many interview requests.

This will be our third bite of the apple.

But I think no one other than perhaps Colin Kelleher knows as much about that program that Jim Lukasky and he's sharing with the public the most information that can be released.

He fought a lot of battles to get the permission to do it.

You know, people are always demanding actual data.

These books are packed with evidence and data, effects on humans, bizarre phenomena.

You know, there's never been a story quite like this.

Maybe never will be a program like this again.

So being able to speak with him and to read these books, including this latest one, it's like a glimpse behind the curtain.

You and he have had some very spirited conversations on this episode, on these episodes, right?

Yes.

Well, we know one place where there's a boundary because we've explored it before.

So maybe third time's the charm.

So let's jump into it.

Dr. Jim Lukatsky, it's great to have you back on Weaponized.

Can't thank you enough for your time.

I was reviewing the conversations that we've had on this program and the conversations that you and I have had over the years not recorded.

And there's a big gap in that.