George Saunders

That's a deep question.

My theory is most people don't operate from the Cruella de Vil school of evil.

Like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I suck.

You know, I don't think so.

Uh, so then it gets really interesting.

Okay.

So why then, if you sat down this person and said, do you believe in kindness?

Of course I do.

Why then at the moment of truth, did they make the decision that they make?

And I think, you know, you can look at our politics right now.

Um,

And I don't really have an answer, but I'm very interested in some of the stuff that comes out of the White House press thing is really, it's post Orwell, post Kafka, the things that are being said.

But I'm guessing that if you sat that person down, they wouldn't disagree with us in principle.

So that's a very rich question, and I don't think anybody knows.

No, no, no.

But, you know, we don't have to solve it.

We have to formulate it correctly, and you just actually did.

Well, for me, it's just the awareness that we have thoughts, and we don't really

they sort of self-generate and they dominate us.