George Saunders

And, you know, and the real life correlators of these guys, they made a lot of hay out of that idea that,

If we eliminate oil, which I don't think anyone's really calling for that, but if you do that, you end up with a punishment of the poor, primarily.

That was one of the big lines in the 90s, you know, who suffers the most, the poor.

If you disrupt the supply chains, disrupt things as they are.

The rich people are going to, okay, but the poor are going to suffer.

That was the line anyway.

Yes.

And let me... Okay, so I think we have maybe different approaches based on our abilities.

And my ability to think larger and more abstract is not so good.

So for me, when I think about... I agree with what you said about wants.

And so what I think is...

within the individual person as personified in a character, or just the individual person.

When I say, I want,

There's a lot of errors in that already.

What's the I?

If you look deeply into it from any of the great traditions, the self is a temporary illusion that appears maybe at birth or maybe a little after birth, some people think.

And so from the very beginning, if you define I the way we conventionally do from the minute we open our eyes in the world, there's a problem because my wanting is,

means at some level I'm taking from you.

Or it could mean we're cooperating.

But mostly it means I'm protecting that perimeter that makes I, makes me.