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George Saunders

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
2018 total appearances

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The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

What would that community look like?

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

And so when I'm thinking about characters, I'm thinking about that, really.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

You know, this person has certain desires.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

how do those desires square with sort of metaphysical reality?

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

And then how does that character's actions get him into trouble?

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

Because he is acting on that delusion of a central self, if that makes sense.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

And also because I don't really know that much about it.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

It's okay.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

Right.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

No, of course.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

I mean, that's really what the book is about.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

There's a relative truth.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

Of course, you know, we want what we want.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

And it's beautiful to want what we want to a certain extent.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

But on the absolute sense, it isn't true.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

So to the extent that we go through life embracing that illusion wholeheartedly, I think we cause suffering.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

And of course, there's a position where you can go, yeah, I want to wear my sweater.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

And also, I recognize that this self is something that my mind is creating.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

And I think that's where we get into spiritual ideas.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

Okay.