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George Saunders

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
2018 total appearances

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The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

So then you ask, be more specific.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

Where is it boring and what do you mean by boring?

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

And as you go through that process, it becomes diagnostic.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

You know, it's, oh, actually there's a thought that's repeated three times in the paragraph on page six.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

Oh, okay.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

Could you choose one of those repetitions?

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

And a writer can hear that.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

They can hear eliminate one repetition.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

That's all good.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

Whereas you're boring is, you know, less appealing.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

I mean, the example I've thought of before is if you had, you know, five Republicans and five Democrats on the town board.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

and you ask them to discuss immigration, you're going to get a fight because they're all pre-programmed with their media inputs.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

And it's going to just be, just turn on MSNBC and Fox and let them, and everybody can go out and have lunch and the TVs can fight.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

But if you said, okay, we've got $10,000 to fix potholes in our little town, and we've got $20,000 worth of potholes, what do we do?

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

Suddenly the politics is gone.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

You know, you're like, well, we should probably fix the one in front of the ER.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

And

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

And then as you start talking about individual potholes, it's just science, you know.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

So I think that's what I mean by specificity squeezes out facile judgment.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

I mean, you don't want to squeeze out judgment, but you want to squeeze out that kind of quality of empty, agitated, abstract opining that seems to be prevalent right now, which I don't think really produces much except angst.