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George Saunders

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2546 total appearances

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The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

You're going to find out that you have certain built-in limitations, your body and your muscle type, all that kind of thing, but also your willpower, your interest.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

So my thought is that even those things are kind of pre-given to you at birth.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

Now, I think people sometimes struggle with this, and I struggle with it, but the idea is this.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

If you could imagine somebody that you cared about, and maybe you had a fraught relationship with that person, they just died, and they're lying there in front of you.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

and you say, ah, I wish he'd been more X. I wish he'd been more understanding.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

If he should have been more articulate, why wasn't he?

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

And I think if we dig deeply enough into it in this absolute sense, you'll find that there is a kind of inevitability to that.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

Now, that's Jill's point of view.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

What she's doing is saying, it's fine.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

Whatever you did is fine.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

Just leave the self and all is forgiven.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

It's kind of my point of view, but as I wrote the book, I got more and more skeptical about it as I examined it.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

There's a guy in the book called The Frenchman.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

His point of view is bullshit.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

Don't give me that.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

You know, when that guy was alive, somebody could have kicked his butt enough to get him to be more of quantity X. So he's urging her to get after Boone and do whatever's necessary to get him in relation to truth.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

The Frenchman's saying he's still breathing.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

So you have a chance, if you approach it skillfully, to put him in alignment with truth.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

And that's where the salvation would come from.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

Even though he can't move, he's never going to move again.