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George Saunders

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The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

But again, I think, you know, we'd want to avoid that idiotic compassion of in somehow in our attempt to understand them, we enable them.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

That's also a danger of narrating.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

Or we excuse them.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

Or we excuse them, yes.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

But what is the... I think the idea, and again, I get this from writing workshop and from writing.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

If you move towards specificity, facile judgment goes away.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

So in a workshop, for example, somebody will say, oh, I think your story is boring.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

You can't work with that.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

So then you ask, be more specific.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

Where is it boring and what do you mean by boring?

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

And as you go through that process, it becomes diagnostic.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

You know, it's, oh, actually there's a thought that's repeated three times in the paragraph on page six.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

Oh, okay.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

Could you choose one of those repetitions?

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

And a writer can hear that.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

They can hear eliminate one repetition.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

That's all good.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

Whereas you're boring is, you know, less appealing.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

I mean, the example I've thought of before is if you had, you know, five Republicans and five Democrats on the town board.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

and you ask them to discuss immigration, you're going to get a fight because they're all pre-programmed with their media inputs.