George Saunders

You know, it's just from my own experience.

Right.

But this is where the science comes in.

Because if you go in and you see charming and personable, you just add it to your data set.

Okay, note it.

He's doing these incoherent things.

He seems to be kind of largely incoherent in his views and in his plans.

He seems to have a terrific mean streak.

And when I talk to him, he's so nice.

Okay.

So now we have a new portrait of the man.

And I think that would totally enable one to oppose him better.

Better than if you had a...

a character of him that didn't comply with truth.

I don't, to me as a scientist, I'm going, yeah, of course you'd want all the information you could have.

And if it's hard to process or it's complicated, that's okay.

That's just part of the game, you know?

So I think that's part of maybe the, there's so much emotion right now, so much agitation and fear.

And that, I think that somehow, for some reason, that makes people crave autopilot.

You know, a set of beliefs that's very simple and is sturdy in every circumstance.