Gerald Butts

Paycheck to paycheck.

It's it's kind of frightening.

And I think that what the prime minister tried to do yesterday was to reposition this whole issue as less about a Terminator coming to take your job and more about something that we can manage.

and steer into the public interest.

I actually think on top of dealing with Donald Trump and the changes in the world order that he has eloquently described, those are the twin issues that are gonna cost him real difficulty.

And I hope that they get managed

as political issues i hope they get managed in a relatively non-partisan way because i think there is a space for that uh because it's like one of those issues i mean you look at i think the only other comparable uh impact on employment by technology is actually farming technology in the 19th century like you look at you look at where north americans worked in at the beginning of

worked on a farm, right?

Absolutely.

Everybody worked on a farm.

And by the end of the 18, 1800s, 5% of the workforce worked on a farm.

I think that's the magnitude of the change we're about to go through.

And of course, famously that generated a lot of conflict and war and problems.

And it's going to, it's going to be, it's going to be of that scope and scale and it's going to be difficult to manage.

If I could add just a couple of things to that, Peter, it's it's happening at a time where people's belief in technological progress has been shaken.

Right.

That for a lot of different big macro problems, climate change, climate change.

Lack of cohesion socially, income inequality, what our recent experience with social media, as we have talked about many times, has done to our politics and our kids.

All of this stuff has shaken the public's

kind of default position that technological advancement is an advancement for society at large.