Gerald Posner
Appearances
Shadow Kingdom
God’s Banker I 4. The Priest and the Spy
There were all types of rumors, and so the question was whether the communists had decided to kill the pope. Gerald Posner again. There's no question Marchinkas and others inside the Vatican thought it was a very real possibility that the people who pulled the strings, the puppet masters, had been from Moscow.
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God’s Banker I 4. The Priest and the Spy
The people who pulled the strings, the puppet masters, had been from Moscow.
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God’s Banker I 4. The Priest and the Spy
He was larger than life. He smoked his cigars. He played golf. And he was garrulous. He was outgoing.
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God’s Banker I 4. The Priest and the Spy
Not a chance. He knew his own limitations. He might not express them to anyone. He would never say to the Pope, by the way, I don't think I'm cut out for this job. What he viewed himself as was the quintessential judge of good character. And so therefore he could find the right outside bankers to do the work for him. He could find the investment people who would help him make the Vatican Bank big.
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God’s Banker I 4. The Priest and the Spy
Marcinko suddenly moves from just being the head of the Vatican Bank to having this position where he's now involved in this covert, surreptitious financing of, you know, money, CIA money and church money and others back to Poland to destabilize communism.
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God’s Banker I 4. The Priest and the Spy
So it's bad for him because they're suddenly trying to show less of those connections. And that means he can't pick up the phone, just call them and ask them to write a check for him for another one of his ventures in the Caribbean.
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God’s Banker I 2. Our Thing
Die Beziehung zwischen Calvi und Sindona begann positiv, aber das war, weil Sindona sich als der König aller Finanzen betrachtete. Er war sein Gottesbanker und Sindona verkaufte Selbstvertrauen. Das war eines der Dinge, die er sehr gut machte. Und Calvi war etwas mehr traurig, etwas weniger ausgehend, es gab weniger Magie, wenn man ihn kennengelernt hat, als Sindona.
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God’s Banker I 2. Our Thing
They will help others in business so long as they can see them helping themselves.
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God’s Banker I 2. Our Thing
Sie haben die Vatikan-Investitionen nicht genommen und dann 10 oder 15 oder 20 Prozent im Jahr zurückgegeben und gesagt haben, sind Sie nicht glücklich mit dem? Sie haben stattdessen den Vatikan in Italien gelegt. Kalvis Karmeer wurde von seinen Vatikan-Verhältnissen ausgerüstet. In den frühen 70ern wurde er zahlreiche Male unterstützt.
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God’s Banker I 2. Our Thing
Es ist richtig für Calvi, in dem Sinne, dass er sich und seine Bank als eine sehr konservative finanzielle Option verkaufen kann.
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God’s Banker I 2. Our Thing
Ich bin Autor und investigativer Reporter und ich habe ein Buch namens »Gotspanker« geschrieben, das eine finanzielle Geschichte des Vatikan ist.
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God’s Banker I 2. Our Thing
There's no question that Calvi had an unassuming presence when he met people. He may not have seemed very aggressive, but he was a domineering, take no prisoners, check every box, control freak down the line.
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God’s Banker I 2. Our Thing
Sindona was bold, he was assertive, he was doing big things in Italian finance, and he had grand ambitions. Sindona viewed himself as the king of all financiers.
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God’s Banker I 2. Our Thing
Der einzige Vertreter der Vatikanbank ist der Popel. Niemand anderes.
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God’s Banker I 2. Our Thing
Und über die Zeit musste man herausfinden, wie man Geld einbringen kann. Man kann Indulgenzen verkaufen und Menschen Geld an den Popen senden, aber es ist schwer, eine ganze Kirche aufgrund dessen zu runtern.
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God’s Banker I 2. Our Thing
Als der Papst Paul VI mit Sedona trifft, der eine Reputation hat, die sehr klug und klüger ist als jeder andere Banker, und auch ein gewaltiger Katholik, was sehr wichtig ist. Der Papst macht die Entscheidung selbst. Ich nenne dich in diesem Moment als Gottes Banker.
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God’s Banker I 2. Our Thing
Sindona ist, wie Paul VI. gesagt hat, die freie Range. Ich will nicht nur ein Investitionsanwalt sein, der dem Vatikan das Geld geben muss. Ich will die Fähigkeit haben, für den Vatikan zu signen, ohne immer wieder für eine Aufmerksamkeit zu kommen.
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God’s Banker I 2. Our Thing
Der einzige Vertreter des Vatikanbanks ist der Popel. Niemand anderes. Er veröffentlicht keine jährlichen Berichte. Wenn du auf einer Straße in Rom stehst, mit einem Schuhkasten mit einem Millionen Dollar, können die italienischen Staatsanwälte etwas tun und dich fragen, woher du das Geld bekommst. Du crossst die Straße und bist im Vatikan-Territorium.
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God’s Banker I 2. Our Thing
Du gibst das Schuhkasten zu einem freundlichen Monsignor, der einen Account des Vatikanbanks hat. Er depositiert es, weil die Vatikanbank-Beihäufe es ermöglichen, Investments in kind, in art, in gold, in cash, in whatever. And it disappears. Italian tax authorities no longer know about it. They can't follow it. You don't pay taxes on it.
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God’s Banker I 5. The Fixers
That shows you the hold that Calvi had on the bank. The bank does not demand his resignation. They say, OK, that's fine. You're still running the bank. It's OK. And he stays there with an iron hand and he doubles down on many of the things that later get him in trouble.
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God’s Banker I 5. The Fixers
you yank the passport and you suddenly essentially lock the person down to Italy. And when that happened to Calvi, he was absolutely stunned by that.
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God’s Banker I 5. The Fixers
calvi has lost all control by this point and his desperation is showing in every possible way he is a man whose desperation is controlling everything he does and what calvi probably could not see is the moment it starts to unravel it all starts to unravel it's like putting your finger in the dike hoping to stop the flood from coming and then another leak stops and another leak starts and you run out of fingers before the whole thing starts to leak
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God’s Banker I 5. The Fixers
This was a man obsessed with his own personal security, and now suddenly he's in an Italian prison, not very clean, not very sparkling, not washed down once a day, with a lot of prisoners in a shared space. Calvi hates that experience. The idea that he could be sentenced one day and sent there to him is as bad an example of the future as he could possibly imagine.
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God’s Banker I 5. The Fixers
Okay, that's it. I'll tell you what. P2, they're behind it all. They've got every conspiracy. They're the masterminds. They're pulling the strings. They're the puppet masters.
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God’s Banker I 5. The Fixers
And then the prosecutors come in and say, we need more. You can't just say that we need more. And then he says, oh, I was wrong about that. No, it's not true. I take it all back.
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God’s Banker I 5. The Fixers
The moment it starts to unravel, it all starts to unravel.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
The evidence record is overwhelming. The credible evidence on this case in terms of forensics, ballistics, eyewitness testimony, you put it all together and it's a case that you say this is what happened. It's Lee Harvey Oswald having killed the president. And I understand why you would say, by the way, I'm not at all interested in it anymore because for you, the case is settled.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
But for most Americans who love the idea and they've only seen Oliver Stone, they haven't gone on to read books. They haven't read the Warren Commission. They haven't done a little study. They don't have your analytical mind. They didn't go to law school. They're seduced by the idea that there has to be something more to it.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
There's this proportionality bias, the idea that something famous like JFK, this wonderful, young, charismatic president with so much potential for the future. How could it be cut down by this 24-year-old sociopath? loser in life, Lee Harvey Oswald. There has to be something more. It can't just be the chaos theory of life that things happen like that. So people want to invest it with more.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
It's fed all the time with false information, narratives that are false. There's information that's repeated all the time that's incorrect. So I'm not surprised. And when you say you got in hot water because you said, by the way, I really don't care anymore about what happened in the JFK assassination because I know what happened.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
People think that you're dismissing the idea of a much larger conspiracy. Why aren't you going after the deep state? Why aren't you looking at what the CIA did? Why aren't you holding those responsible, Ben, who might still be alive in their 90s and guilty for having killed this young president in the 1960s?
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
So people take that as a personal offense to their own judgment about what happened in the case.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
So first of all, there are about 25 to 28 people that have claimed credit for being the second shooter at Dealey Plaza. They've actually come forward in the past and said, by the way, I was the grassy and all shooter. There are people that put themselves into the history books to try to claim that they've had some role.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
Carlos Marcelo, the mob boss from Louisiana, later claimed supposedly near the end of his life that he had a role in killing Kennedy. There's almost a braggadocio to be able to say, oh yeah, Kennedy, I had him off. I was able to do that. So the same thing happens here with this Mack Wallace tape. This is fantastic.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
Somebody claims, oh, by the way, LBJ told me that we were working together and we were able to kill JFK at the time. This is supposedly a 1971 recording. that is not even the person, Mack Wallace isn't even the person on the tape. His own daughter has said that, as a matter of fact. And all that's said is, by the way, somebody brought me a tape, that's what Glenn Beck says, from 1971.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
It looks like it's from 1971. It seems as though it's a tape from that period. This is a fake tape that's been put together to try to claim that LBJ was involved in the assassination. Does it surprise me? No, not at all. I've seen fake stories come up all the time. I see concocted evidence. I see people make up things to try to put into the case.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
And what I find remarkable is that there's almost a gullibility. The people are so willing in this echo chamber to believe that they must have a conspiracy somewhere when they're presented something that they otherwise would have dismissed as not being credible. They would have said, oh, that by the way, that doesn't have any of the earmarks of real good evidence.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
They somehow are willing to accept it and then give it the airing that catches millions of other people's attention.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
No, not at all. As a matter of fact, what there is evidence of, and this is what I've always said, the CIA, look it, they had Oswald on their radar. Why? Because in 1959, he defected to the Soviet Union in the middle of the Cold War. And guess what? It was in the newspapers. So they opened up a file, they put Oswald into a file.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
Of course they did, as they did every other defector to the Soviet Union in the heart of the Cold War. And then they kept an eye on him, but not a distant eye. He wasn't very much of interest to them. He came back in the United States. The real question always became for me,
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
When he, Oswald, went to Mexico City, only six weeks before the assassination, he wanted to get to Cuba, to Havana, to the real revolution, as he viewed it, where Castro was, because he was sick of the Soviets. He thought that they had ruined and bastardized Marxism. He hated the United States, so he was looking now for the new place, and that was Cuba.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
Then he gets rejected in Mexico City by the Cuban and the Soviet missions. We know that the CIA had to have listening devices, other surveillance on those two missions at the heart of the Cold War. Did they know that Oswald was unhinged as he was when he went to those embassies? We now know what happened because the Soviets have released their own files.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
The KGB agents who dealt with him in Mexico City said, by the way, he took out a .38 caliber revolver, which he happened to kill a policeman with after the JFK assassination, slammed it on the desk, and one of the KGB agents took the pistol and emptied from the revolver the bullets. Did the CIA know that he had had that type of behavior? If so...
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
They should have told the FBI when he came back into the United States 10 days later. But we know from 9-11, the agencies don't share information very well. The CIA didn't share information with the FBI or the FAA or anyone else in 9-11 about two Saudi terrorists that had followed into California in 2000 that ended up on the planes. So this is what happens time and time again.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
Is it a cover-up of a murder? No. What the CIA was covering up after with the Warren Commission was its own bureaucratic ineptitude. They were running as far away from Oswald as they could, which you would expect the same as the FBI would. And they basically really were covering up the fact that they were in league with the mafia to kill head of state, not Kennedy, but Fidel Castro.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
And they failed seven times. They didn't even wound him. So the same Keystone cops that couldn't even kill Castro, they wanted to take Cuba back, that was clear, somehow pulled off the perfect crime in Dallas. And 62 years later, there's not a leaked memo. There's not one person with a bad conscience. There's not one time that anybody's had anything come out.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
It just doesn't happen that way, except in Oliver Stone films.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
So, I mean, I say only partly tongue-in-cheek that the only thing that Stone got right in the JFK film was the date on which Kennedy was killed. It's not quite that bad, but it's almost the case. He is a master at being able to make a film that has authentic film together with what he's done as recreation.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
If he had made a film that said, by the way, the Holocaust is a hoax, and it was as good a film as that, there'd be people demonstrating in front of the theaters to say, close this up, this is a bastardization of history. But the JFK assassination, even by the time that he had done it in 1991, had passed into a board game. Who killed Kennedy? You'd sit around a room and say, who was it? The CIA?
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
No, the mob, the KGB. I think it's Oswald. So Stone was able to get away with that. And then he's resurrected all these years later to come before this committee yesterday in front of the House and says essentially, despite millions of documents having been released since 1993, millions of pages, all of the last 80,000 pages out now, and everyone admits no smoking gun in them after all this time.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
So what does he want? No smoking guns been released. So he calls on the Oversight Committee yesterday to say, let's have a new investigation. Look at it all. Let's go through the autopsy and the witnesses and everything else. And I'm thinking to myself, oh my goodness, is there a 911 call, an emergency line that I can call Doge? Because this is the type of thing they should put a stop to tomorrow.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
Even I could not have suspected that this would be the flavor of the moment, would be Israel did it. I should have realized that eventually the Jews did it always becomes the conspiracy theory of last resort or first resort. Sometimes it's the first resort and then it comes back into favor again. This time it has. And you're absolutely right.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
Inside of these documents that have been released, and I've gone through all 80,000, blurry-eyed, up a few nights, not getting much sleep, There isn't anything that adds any credibility to that. And why? Because there is no evidence because it's a bogus theory. But that hasn't stopped it from being spread around. Some people just saying influencers who should know better.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
In some cases they do know better, but they're getting likes and they're getting tens of thousands of views saying Israel's responsible for this. And guess what? What they really should do if they wanted to, but of course they're not going to spend the time to do this, Israel in 2013, on the 50th anniversary of the assassination, released its own classified files on the assassination.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
And you say, oh my God, what was in there? That must be fantastic. No, it was the Hebrew, in Hebrew, the actual meetings of Israeli cabinet officials after the assassination. It was fantastic to get a glimpse into what they thought. And guess what? They didn't know what happened. They talked about it. Golda Meir was then foreign minister. She wasn't yet the prime minister.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
And she says in one point, eight days after the assassination, by the way, I happen to think there are dark forces possibly here. Maybe he was doing it with the Cubans because he's a leftist or because he's a communist. They're trying to figure out what happened and why Jack Ruby killed him two days later. They don't know.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
But instead of looking at that historical record of the Israelis actually saying what happened and maybe it was the Cubans. Instead, today we have it turned around so it becomes a traditional anti-Semitic conspiracy theory. It's fanned, it's said, it's spoken out there. And I see it time and time again. It makes your blood pressure just get crazy because I've seen a lot of crazy theories.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
But this one has a different effect. Because it adds on top of already surging anti-Semitism since October 7th. That mixes into a thing where Jews control the world. They must be behind everything. It's the old czarist forgery of protocols of Zion. And this is a new version of it. So, ah, they must also be behind the Kennedy assassination. They're the ones who pulled it off.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
The factor that's missing is having been through these documents, every redaction was to a foreign intelligence agency. So I've seen redactions to Romanian intelligence, to West German intelligence, to French intelligence, to UK intelligence. I've seen numbers of the people that we had in different embassies who were operatives for the CIA blacked out. I've seen budgets blacked out.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
That's all the type of information that's been redacted over the years. And one of the redactions was to Israeli intelligence. The minute the Israeli intelligence was unredacted, nobody says, oh, by the way, the unredacted MI6 in Britain. They unredacted French intelligence or West German intelligence. They must have been behind the assassination. They said, oh, look at that.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
They unredacted Israeli intelligence, and they did that because they were protecting it because Israel must have been involved, therefore, with the CIA in killing Kennedy. This is one, it's not just a bogus theory. It's not just something that I can say to you it's laughable.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
It would have been laughable if it wasn't for the fact that it's trending on some accounts on Twitter by really influencers who I think in some cases know it's bogus, know it's false, don't care. They just happen to like the fact that they're getting some likes.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
So I think that, I mean, there isn't an easy soundbite in this sense, but the real answer as to why Oswald alone killed Kennedy is Oswald himself. Without understanding Oswald, you can't get an idea of how the assassination happened. And what the conspiracy theorists do, and you know this so well, is Oswald becomes a cipher. They don't discuss him.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
They talk instead about Angleton and what about CIA memos and what was happening in the Cold War and what should we be doing in this? So everybody thinks, well, who's this fellow, this 24-year-old who was shooting at the president? Why would he do it? And he did say after he was arrested, I'm just a patsy, as Oliver Stone has. So he must have been telling the truth.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
He didn't just say, oh, by the way, I did commit the assassination. Please send me to death row. It's Oswald himself. Most people don't realize that he was committed to political assassination. And I don't just say that. He had tried to kill somebody in April of that year.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
A retired army general, a right-wing army general, Edwin Walker, kicked out of the army because he was sort of fomenting all types of dissent inside the military. He had run for the governorship of Texas. Oswald viewed him as the next Hitler. You can argue with Oswald as to whether that was right or not.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
It's one of the things I always used to say when the left would call Trump time and time again, he's the next Hitler, he's coming in as the next Hitler, he's a fascist.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
You say that long enough, and you're going to take somebody who's already a little bit unstable, and they're going to say, well, gee, if I was able to take a time machine back to the 1930s, I might stop Hitler from doing all those terrible things. So you call somebody Hitler long enough, somebody's going to say, I'm going to try to stop him. That's what Oswald
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
thought he was doing with Edwin Walker. So he tries to assassinate him in April, shoots at him, misses by a fraction of an inch because the bullets deflected on the window frame into Walker's house. He's frustrated by that. He's committed to do something. And then he decides to go and join the revolution inside of Havana.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
He gets rejected and comes back to the United States literally only five weeks before the assassination. But here's the key, Ben, and nobody talks about this. On September 25th and 26th, when Oswald took a bus to get to Mexico City, where he thought he was going to be in Havana, if he'd gotten the visa to go to Havana, he wouldn't have been in Dallas at all on November 22nd.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
He wouldn't have been there for the assassination. When he's taking the bus ride, it's an overnight bus ride to Laredo, Texas, and then into Mexico City on September 25th.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
the white house announced for the first time that kennedy was going to visit texas so any idea of a plot in texas to kill the president could not have taken place before the white house announces the president's going there oswald tries to get to havana he gets rejected he comes back into dallas that means that any conspiracy around oswald and the president has to take place from his return to dallas in early october until the time of the assassination
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
Can't do it by telepathy. It can't be done by some secret message. There's no cell phones. There's no text messages. Where's the telephone call? Where's the secret agent showing up to tell Oswald, by the way, you have to do something and become part of the plot? He gets a job at the Texas School Book Depository before the motorcade route is set. How? Through the CIA? Through special operatives?
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
No, through a friend of his wife's who asked a friend and says he's looking for a job. And she says, oh, as a matter of fact, my brother just got a job at this place, the Texas School Book Depository. They call up and the supervisor says, Yeah, I've got a couple of openings. I could put him downtown or maybe at this spot outside of Dallas, send him down.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
They interview him and they put him at the downtown location. And then the Secret Service sets the motorcade route only a few days before Oswald actually sees it in the newspaper. Yeah, we used to publish the newspaper accounts, right, of where the president was. And the president used to take a motorcade that had a convertible just a week before Dallas.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
He was in Tampa for the longest motorcade of his presidency, 25 miles. in an open-air car. Kennedy used to go into the crowds all the time, as he did that day in Dallas, so there were many opportunities to shoot him. And you have to ask yourself one question.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
If you were part of a conspiracy, if you were the CIA, you were the mob, you were somebody else, and you said to Oswald, we want you to be the assassin,
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
you're going to be the assassin to kill the president the president is at a dozen different locations where he's standing still he's on a stage he's talking as trump was in butler when the assassin tried to shoot him trump's there he's not riding in a motorcade so you want even if oswald doesn't want to run up with a pistol and shoot him in person as sirhan sirhan did to robert kennedy because he doesn't want to be tackled at the scene so he says i want to do with a rifle shot i want to be from a distance all right
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
So you put him from a distance when JFK is giving a stationary talk, and you have Oswald kill him. But instead, the conspirators decide, you know what? Why don't we put Lee in the sixth floor of a building where hundreds of people might see him as he's going by, and the motorcade is moving, and he can try to take a couple of shots from there and see if he can hit the president.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
You don't do that if you're the conspirators. You do that if you're the lone assassin who's looking for opportunities, the means and opportunity to be able to do it. Oswald doesn't even retrieve the rifle that's tied ballistically to the assassination to the exclusion of every other gun in the world until the night before
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
When he goes out to get it where his wife is staying from a garage, takes it in the next morning in a long paper bag that he tells the person who's driving him in their curtain rods. And then he brings it to the sixth floor of the depository from where the sniper's nest is set up. He's left alone there by six of his co-workers half an hour beforehand.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
And when the assassination is over, guess who's the only person who leaves the depository? Lee Harvey Oswald. All the rest of the employees are there. Why does he leave? He goes back to his rooming house where he collects his pistol that he had slammed on the desk of the KGB agents five weeks earlier in Mexico City.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
And they get stopped by a police officer who has an all-points bulletin out on a general description of Oswald by a construction worker who was the only eyewitness who actually saw him doing the shooting that day and gave the general description, mid-20s, brown hair, Caucasian. And when the police officer stops him, he empties his bag.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
revolver and pistol into him, shoots him on the spot, and then he's on the run. He escapes, goes into a movie theater where he's arrested. The idea that this person is not the assassin, to me, is so preposterous on his face. If you're willing to look at the credible evidence, here's the more difficult question.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
Was he shooting the president for his own warped motivations or was he doing it as a plot for others? When you then investigate that, I'm convinced he's doing it for himself because there isn't an intelligence agency or group of plotters like the mafia or that in the world that could trust Lee Harvey Oswald. He was that unstable. But that's a legitimate question. Why is he up there?
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
Once you tackle Sirhan Sirhan, once you catch any assassin at the scene- John Hinckley, yeah. Well, Hinkley, we know his motivation. He's the only one who was honest with us, who said, I did actually impress Jodie Foster, and guess what? It was right. So that's one of the few cases in which we actually know the motivation. We can say, you know what? In that case, it was correct.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
It's crazy, it may sound. But in the rest of them, you're always trying to figure out James Earl Ray and others. You're trying to figure out whether they were doing it for themselves or as part of a plot.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
But to say that Oswald was innocent, that he wasn't part of it, that there was a secret assassin, there was somebody in the grassy knoll who did the shooting, that all the evidence has been concocted, changed, modified. That's the part in which you now have a conspiracy that doesn't involve two people, five people, kitchen conspiracy. You have a conspiracy that are of hundreds of people.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
And somehow... We are to believe that that's the only time in American history that a conspiracy with hundreds of people was kept a secret for 62 years. The perfect conspiracy. You know, the very same government that can't build a homeless shelter on time or on budget was somehow able to pull off this diabolical crime in Dallas and do it with peak efficiency.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
The 007s, the James Bonds of the world, they exist on film. They don't exist in reality.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
Well, I think there are a couple of things. There are a few things peculiar to the Kennedy assassination. And the biggest reason that that's always going to be like that is because you have the person charged with killing the president of the United States killed two days later in police custody by a guy who looks like he's out of central casting for the mafia.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
So if James Earl Ray had been killed two days after he'd been arrested by somebody who had ties to the KKK or whatever, we'd be off and running on conspiracy theories forever. Oswald never had his day in court. The evidence was never presented. People didn't get to see it.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
If Oswald today was alive and he was in his late 80s and he was still saying, I'm innocent, I didn't do it, there would be some people would listen to him, but it wouldn't be necessarily the same.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
So that was the other thing was it was the first time in modern American history that we had an assassination, the other one being King five years later, in which it was done by a rifle shot from a distance. That immediately conjures up the ideas of Day of the Jackal. a professional assassin.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
We're accustomed to having somebody from the Archduke up through other periods running up with a pistol, shooting the person and gets tackled at the scene. At least you know who the shooter is. Then you have to figure out whether it's a conspiracy or not.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
So here you have the long range shot, the assassin gets away in the immediate aftermath of the assassination, and then you're off and running as well. So I get that. In addition, people don't believe in blue ribbon panels anymore.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
They might have had some doubt about it then, but the idea that you're going to have the Warren Commission come out a year later and say, oh, by the way, there's nothing here. So I get why those doubts are there. Then it's fed with false information over a period of time. Things are bad. Facts are repeated that are incorrect.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
You get the House Select Committee in the late 70s, which is a reinvestigation that was great.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
they debunked a lot of material but they fell as i call it for two sound acoustic experts experts from new york who came in at the end listened to a dicta belt from a dallas police station and said oh by the way we think there's a 95 certainty there were four shots in that dicta belt not three which would mean a conspiracy by the way if you listen to it you don't hear any sounds you they say there's some supersonic impulses here we think those are bullets
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
Four years later, that was totally debunked by the National Academy of Sciences, but everyone remembers the headline, likelihood of conspiracy versus not. Then Oliver Stone comes in in 91 with his film. I'm amazed that anybody thinks it's Oswald alone in some ways because of all of that. But what you said before is key.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
I don't believe there was a conspiracy in the JFK assassination, but I know there are conspiracies. And sometimes the government conspires against our own interests. So I've lived through consequential conspiracies from lies about Vietnam over a period of time to Watergate. I saw Iran-Contra play out.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
I saw what happened that led us into the war in Iraq when we overestimated what was happening on weapons of mass destruction. But what have we had since? We've had the Pentagon Papers. We've had the Panama Papers. We've had the Snowden leaks. We've had WikiLeaks. Not a mention in there of anything to do with JFK. Nothing to do at any point with an alien having landed Area 51.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
At some point, what you said is key. There has to be evidence. You have to say, what's the basis beyond speculation? And there's one other thing. I... Thank you.