Gerard

But the way that he...

presenting himself afterwards, I think he still thinks it's the right strategy.

And obviously the board, for some reason, don't think he's the right person to take him all the way through.

So the strategy's right, the coach is wrong is what the club's come back with.

It was that as well.

And the way that he was approached and how that was handled and all the things that we heard throughout the year that ended up being true.

And maybe we've all evolved in the competition, but at the time, it was a Hawthorne thing as well.

Well, there's a statement about how often do they stand up?

It's a statement until it's not.

We've got you back until we don't.

And I feel like that's part of the whole trade rhetoric, isn't it?

He's not going anywhere.

He's contracted.

And then the deal gets done.

So I was assuming that that was the case with the Essendon situation last year.

He's not going anywhere.

And then I thought, well, eventually.

Well, unless the art of negotiation, Gerard, I'm not an expert at it.

Negotiation, I can't do it.

I just crave, oh, that looks good enough.