Gerard

So that was a proper process to find the best candidate and install him.

And then there are various iterations of it.

I think there's a challenge between

I won the PowerPoint presentation.

What did it actually look like?

It looked disastrous.

So how a panel doesn't get bamboozled by the PowerPoint presentation.

There's a, what the, the, the history of the Essendon job is that Damien Hardwick's PowerPoint didn't work and he didn't get the job and what that might've looked like.

You gotta get sharp, mate.

And then there's a, how tight you keep it.

I always, when Geelong looked for their successor to Mark Thompson on short notice, I

They just, it's our job.

We know what's required.

We'll do it ourselves things.

We don't need outside influence.

And Brian Cook came up with criteria and what looked like it might've been Brenton Sanderson or Ken Hinckley became Chris Scott.

Through the process.

With open minds and how it fitted.

And Graham Wright, clearly his...

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