Geri Halliwell-Horner

Yeah, it's extreme. Do you have a favorite comedian? Do you know what? I'm going to say this. I'm watching the studio. Seth Rogan. Yes, he's so funny. He's so funny. He's so funny. I didn't... Like, forgive me, Seth, but I had no idea how funny he is. Have you met him? No.

Yeah, it's extreme. Do you have a favorite comedian? Do you know what? I'm going to say this. I'm watching the studio. Seth Rogan. Yes, he's so funny. He's so funny. He's so funny. I didn't... Like, forgive me, Seth, but I had no idea how funny he is. Have you met him? No.

It definitely is a superpower if you can really get your head in the game of reading. And then... And so, you know, having a book, and I've written books before for younger, but then I thought, oh, I'd really like to do a series for older, but for everyone, because I'm a reader myself, it doesn't matter what age bracket it's meant to be in.

It definitely is a superpower if you can really get your head in the game of reading. And then... And so, you know, having a book, and I've written books before for younger, but then I thought, oh, I'd really like to do a series for older, but for everyone, because I'm a reader myself, it doesn't matter what age bracket it's meant to be in.

They're normally a little bit not as funny when you meet them. Yeah, I always wonder that because I feel like comedians... They're storing it all up, the nuances for that moment.

They're normally a little bit not as funny when you meet them. Yeah, I always wonder that because I feel like comedians... They're storing it all up, the nuances for that moment.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Or can you pick one? I mean, they're all like Batman suits. I don't know. What does your tattoo with a B mean?

Or can you pick one? I mean, they're all like Batman suits. I don't know. What does your tattoo with a B mean?

And how old is verse? He's one. Oh my goodness. And the twin? Valley. Valley. Valley and verse.

And how old is verse? He's one. Oh my goodness. And the twin? Valley. Valley. Valley and verse.

You're like the Waltons. I don't know what that means. Oh, my God. You need to go and look back at American history. Okay. The Waltons. Do you think we'll make history? Potentially.

You're like the Waltons. I don't know what that means. Oh, my God. You need to go and look back at American history. Okay. The Waltons. Do you think we'll make history? Potentially.

Yeah, of course you're making history. Okay, ask one of your friends. Okay. Mothers or, you know, relatives that are slightly older. Okay. About the Waltons, right? And they will know exactly what I'm about to say anyway. Good night, Grandpa. Good night.

Yeah, of course you're making history. Okay, ask one of your friends. Okay. Mothers or, you know, relatives that are slightly older. Okay. About the Waltons, right? And they will know exactly what I'm about to say anyway. Good night, Grandpa. Good night.

grandma you know and they all said and there was about seven of them the kids there's seven kids I have seven of them okay yeah so that's what I think you need to go and watch it just google the Waltons okay I'm going to that'll be my on my drive home I will it was always a very loving family experience okay I hope my kids have that. Like, that has a warm place in my heart, the Waltons. Okay.

grandma you know and they all said and there was about seven of them the kids there's seven kids I have seven of them okay yeah so that's what I think you need to go and watch it just google the Waltons okay I'm going to that'll be my on my drive home I will it was always a very loving family experience okay I hope my kids have that. Like, that has a warm place in my heart, the Waltons. Okay.

And are they an American family? Yes.

And are they an American family? Yes.

It's a big American TV show. I don't think I've ever... That I used to watch as a little girl. And they lived up on this valley. Uh-huh. So, valley in verse. Yes. And it was just very charming. But they, you know, they'd face their adversities together.

It's a big American TV show. I don't think I've ever... That I used to watch as a little girl. And they lived up on this valley. Uh-huh. So, valley in verse. Yes. And it was just very charming. But they, you know, they'd face their adversities together.

So why don't we get, like, the BBC? Well, you can now, but we had things like The Waltons, The A-Team... Charlie's Angels. We were flooded with American television. And then we'd watch these movies and back in the day you only had a few channels and you'd think America. Ghostbusters, and you'd see New York and think, wow.

So why don't we get, like, the BBC? Well, you can now, but we had things like The Waltons, The A-Team... Charlie's Angels. We were flooded with American television. And then we'd watch these movies and back in the day you only had a few channels and you'd think America. Ghostbusters, and you'd see New York and think, wow.

No, it was still really charming. Do you know what it was? I remember, because I'd only ever seen America on big movies. Right. You know, yellow cabs or big limousines. You have this idealization of what it's going to be. But I remember when I first arrived in Los Angeles and I saw a limousine, I was like, wow. This was when limos weren't... you know, so available.

No, it was still really charming. Do you know what it was? I remember, because I'd only ever seen America on big movies. Right. You know, yellow cabs or big limousines. You have this idealization of what it's going to be. But I remember when I first arrived in Los Angeles and I saw a limousine, I was like, wow. This was when limos weren't... you know, so available.

And so having, you know, this series come out and be a success, I'm like, I'm so grateful, you know, that dreams do come true. This is a dream come true. And lovely to share it with you. You're amazing.

And so having, you know, this series come out and be a success, I'm like, I'm so grateful, you know, that dreams do come true. This is a dream come true. And lovely to share it with you. You're amazing.

Now everyone gets a limo just for their birthday party. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, for sure. But then it was like a big deal and I saw it and I was like, oh my God, I felt like I was in a movie. Did they not have that? Not really. It was a very much more American culture, I think.

Now everyone gets a limo just for their birthday party. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, for sure. But then it was like a big deal and I saw it and I was like, oh my God, I felt like I was in a movie. Did they not have that? Not really. It was a very much more American culture, I think.

I don't know. I think you start to sort of homogenize and merge into one. But I would say back when I was younger, there was a much more... It just felt very, very adrenalized and it felt really optimistic and we can do it. Yeah. You know, so I was brought up with that energy watching it and thinking, yeah, that's it.

I don't know. I think you start to sort of homogenize and merge into one. But I would say back when I was younger, there was a much more... It just felt very, very adrenalized and it felt really optimistic and we can do it. Yeah. You know, so I was brought up with that energy watching it and thinking, yeah, that's it.

Yeah. Fame. There was a TV show called Fame. Okay. Need to look at these programs. They're American. They're your heritage. Yeah. Fame is another one.

Yeah. Fame. There was a TV show called Fame. Okay. Need to look at these programs. They're American. They're your heritage. Yeah. Fame is another one.

Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah. and extreme gratitude i just feel incredibly grateful that you know this it's connected that's all you can hope for yeah because it's very exposing and um and you just go for it yeah but for when people connect it's just so rewarding yeah it's really nice and i'm sure you have

Yeah. and extreme gratitude i just feel incredibly grateful that you know this it's connected that's all you can hope for yeah because it's very exposing and um and you just go for it yeah but for when people connect it's just so rewarding yeah it's really nice and i'm sure you have

Well, look, to everyone listening at home, you know, you don't know me very well, and I don't know you listening, and I don't know this lovely lady, Kale, very well, but in the few minutes that she's telling me about herself, you know, and...

Well, look, to everyone listening at home, you know, you don't know me very well, and I don't know you listening, and I don't know this lovely lady, Kale, very well, but in the few minutes that she's telling me about herself, you know, and...

And so that's kind of cool. Yeah, it's very cool. And so, but I try and write books that... if whatever is ageless, timeless. So you, I can read it. My 15 year old could read it. Yeah. A good reader, 10 year old could read it, but also a 47 year old could read it. Anyone can. Yeah. And you'll get what you need out of it. If you just want page turning fast adventure, that's it.

And so that's kind of cool. Yeah, it's very cool. And so, but I try and write books that... if whatever is ageless, timeless. So you, I can read it. My 15 year old could read it. Yeah. A good reader, 10 year old could read it, but also a 47 year old could read it. Anyone can. Yeah. And you'll get what you need out of it. If you just want page turning fast adventure, that's it.

But if you want, you know, nerdy factors in there, if you want relationship, like, are you going to cry or kiss? It's in there. The first kiss. I can't. The first kiss is in there. Yeah. Period. The first kiss.

But if you want, you know, nerdy factors in there, if you want relationship, like, are you going to cry or kiss? It's in there. The first kiss. I can't. The first kiss is in there. Yeah. Period. The first kiss.

The first kiss is in there.

The first kiss is in there.

It sort of touches on it in a very, I'm quite proud of the way it touches on love. Just very gently. That confusing... And actually, what it says in that 14-year-old, she's just turning 14, it's the age of power. And we go through different chapters in our life where we suddenly go, do you know what? This is a new chapter. I'm reclaiming it. I'm owning my identity.

It sort of touches on it in a very, I'm quite proud of the way it touches on love. Just very gently. That confusing... And actually, what it says in that 14-year-old, she's just turning 14, it's the age of power. And we go through different chapters in our life where we suddenly go, do you know what? This is a new chapter. I'm reclaiming it. I'm owning my identity.

And that can happen whether you're 14, 27. 35, you know, different periods. And we all go like, okay, this is a new phase.

And that can happen whether you're 14, 27. 35, you know, different periods. And we all go like, okay, this is a new phase.

Evolution. Yeah, exactly. I think it's natural.

Evolution. Yeah, exactly. I think it's natural.

Um, there is a saying you can either write on, they call it pants or premise. I said, do you know this? Yeah. And so, and the first book I was just, um, the first Rosie, I was just writing you know, by the seat of my pants. I didn't really plan. Okay. I did plan character that always stayed the same, but the actual premise, I kind of knew.

Um, there is a saying you can either write on, they call it pants or premise. I said, do you know this? Yeah. And so, and the first book I was just, um, the first Rosie, I was just writing you know, by the seat of my pants. I didn't really plan. Okay. I did plan character that always stayed the same, but the actual premise, I kind of knew.

And then with book two, with experience, another author said to me, why don't you just write an outline first? But I always knew, and I know what my ending is for the end of book three. I always knew that from the beginning. Okay. And, and you put yourself in and, you know, the, but then there is structure and you become attached to the characters.

And then with book two, with experience, another author said to me, why don't you just write an outline first? But I always knew, and I know what my ending is for the end of book three. I always knew that from the beginning. Okay. And, and you put yourself in and, you know, the, but then there is structure and you become attached to the characters.

Feel free to edit this out, but I'm hearing, my goodness, what a strength of a woman to, you know, have all these children, bring them up, be a businesswoman, educate herself, show interest, look beautiful. I'm like, wow, that is really inspiring.

Feel free to edit this out, but I'm hearing, my goodness, what a strength of a woman to, you know, have all these children, bring them up, be a businesswoman, educate herself, show interest, look beautiful. I'm like, wow, that is really inspiring.

Whereas I think an autobiography is much more, in certain ways, a cathartic experience.

Whereas I think an autobiography is much more, in certain ways, a cathartic experience.

Do you know what I mean? It's just like...

Do you know what I mean? It's just like...

this happened and this and you're processing as you do it so and I did that many I mean it was a quarter of a life right now I was only 26 when I went to do it so you've done it too and you know I always think actually when people come and say oh I went through that too that was useful and that's quite nice isn't it yeah has anything that you experienced both I guess as

this happened and this and you're processing as you do it so and I did that many I mean it was a quarter of a life right now I was only 26 when I went to do it so you've done it too and you know I always think actually when people come and say oh I went through that too that was useful and that's quite nice isn't it yeah has anything that you experienced both I guess as

Yeah. There is something in here that I put in all the way through actually. And that is.

Yeah. There is something in here that I put in all the way through actually. And that is.

it's about grief okay so if you want page turning adventure that's it you're gonna get it right but there is a little bit of i call it iceberging subtext to the character rosie frost she's lost her mother and we know lots of orphans in different stories but actually she you see you feel her process losing her mother and um

it's about grief okay so if you want page turning adventure that's it you're gonna get it right but there is a little bit of i call it iceberging subtext to the character rosie frost she's lost her mother and we know lots of orphans in different stories but actually she you see you feel her process losing her mother and um

And if you ever experienced grief, like I did when I was younger, my dad died when I was young, and I had this constant feeling that I didn't know how to process. And everyone's quite in the West, quite conservative, quite modest about their feelings. Whereas in the East, they were very much about, you know, everyone passes and how you process it.

And if you ever experienced grief, like I did when I was younger, my dad died when I was young, and I had this constant feeling that I didn't know how to process. And everyone's quite in the West, quite conservative, quite modest about their feelings. Whereas in the East, they were very much about, you know, everyone passes and how you process it.

And so I had this sort of contained feeling within me that I felt quite stuck when I was younger. Okay. And so looking at that, I put it in the book that, you know, Rosie, she's going through that feeling of like she's quite angry, actually, and she's sort of really trying to put a lid on it.

And so I had this sort of contained feeling within me that I felt quite stuck when I was younger. Okay. And so looking at that, I put it in the book that, you know, Rosie, she's going through that feeling of like she's quite angry, actually, and she's sort of really trying to put a lid on it.

And so I think everything is copy. Everything is useful. Right. You know, whatever you've experienced with your your own child in your beginning and what the subtext of this is also is that and in book number two and it says one of the characters, Jackson, he's kind of a bit of a love interest. And he comes from a different kind of, you know, heritage family. And he says, isn't it interesting?

And so I think everything is copy. Everything is useful. Right. You know, whatever you've experienced with your your own child in your beginning and what the subtext of this is also is that and in book number two and it says one of the characters, Jackson, he's kind of a bit of a love interest. And he comes from a different kind of, you know, heritage family. And he says, isn't it interesting?

You know, we have all these backstories. And it doesn't matter who you are, you know, whether you're the duchess or the dustman. It doesn't matter. We all have a backstory, right, from our families, you know, what we've inherited. And the truth is, is our conditioning of our environment, whether we're going to pull the trigger on it or not, whether it's going to get triggered.

You know, we have all these backstories. And it doesn't matter who you are, you know, whether you're the duchess or the dustman. It doesn't matter. We all have a backstory, right, from our families, you know, what we've inherited. And the truth is, is our conditioning of our environment, whether we're going to pull the trigger on it or not, whether it's going to get triggered.

right right and so and and and it sort of really like shows that up for example she's acting on revenge like she wants revenge for her mother's murder and she sort of doesn't act in the best way and then she's got this like icky feeling afterwards now okay so that's in that adventure now i'm looking at you and you were telling me you're a little bit about your story and i'm i think you've been quite open about it now

right right and so and and and it sort of really like shows that up for example she's acting on revenge like she wants revenge for her mother's murder and she sort of doesn't act in the best way and then she's got this like icky feeling afterwards now okay so that's in that adventure now i'm looking at you and you were telling me you're a little bit about your story and i'm i think you've been quite open about it now

I'm looking at you as a woman. We don't know each other that well, but I'm thinking, OK, here is a woman that she's had seven children. OK, you told me that you don't have a mother, an active mother in your life and you didn't really have one. OK, yet. And you had a child at 17. Yet you managed to turn your poop to fertilizer as in whatever was going on. And look at look at you now.

I'm looking at you as a woman. We don't know each other that well, but I'm thinking, OK, here is a woman that she's had seven children. OK, you told me that you don't have a mother, an active mother in your life and you didn't really have one. OK, yet. And you had a child at 17. Yet you managed to turn your poop to fertilizer as in whatever was going on. And look at look at you now.

Look at you now.

Look at you now.

Yeah. Look at you now. You are a slaying businesswoman, a brilliant mother, and you look great. Thank you. Yeah. And so you haven't, you've actually, you've pivoted to what your, how would you say, the conditions that could have triggered somebody else into a different path. Yet you've gone, nah, I'm going to make something great. And that's amazing. And we're all learning as we go.

Yeah. Look at you now. You are a slaying businesswoman, a brilliant mother, and you look great. Thank you. Yeah. And so you haven't, you've actually, you've pivoted to what your, how would you say, the conditions that could have triggered somebody else into a different path. Yet you've gone, nah, I'm going to make something great. And that's amazing. And we're all learning as we go.

you're the originator of this right like you have taught young girls that you can do all the things you can be a mom you can be a pop star you can be an author you can be educated you can be all of that yeah I think we all learn from each other if I can see it we you know we can be it yeah and you know so I was always watching television and thinking you know American television was

you're the originator of this right like you have taught young girls that you can do all the things you can be a mom you can be a pop star you can be an author you can be educated you can be all of that yeah I think we all learn from each other if I can see it we you know we can be it yeah and you know so I was always watching television and thinking you know American television was

Rosie Frost, she goes through those. It's very real what happens to her. She's angry and she acts badly at a moment and then suddenly goes, you know what, this doesn't feel good. That's relatable. That's relatable. So I try to make it a very modern story. Right. Although it's like heightened realism in certain ways, but actually all the feelings and everything she goes through is real.

Rosie Frost, she goes through those. It's very real what happens to her. She's angry and she acts badly at a moment and then suddenly goes, you know what, this doesn't feel good. That's relatable. That's relatable. So I try to make it a very modern story. Right. Although it's like heightened realism in certain ways, but actually all the feelings and everything she goes through is real.

Yeah, absolutely. We all have to in different shapes and forms. Every single one of us that's listening, you, me, everyone... We get presented with different challenges. And someone said to me, those challenges in our life, they are qualifiers. Those obstacles, like that, okay, what am I going to do with this? How bad do I want this? Or, you know, what am I going to do with this?

Yeah, absolutely. We all have to in different shapes and forms. Every single one of us that's listening, you, me, everyone... We get presented with different challenges. And someone said to me, those challenges in our life, they are qualifiers. Those obstacles, like that, okay, what am I going to do with this? How bad do I want this? Or, you know, what am I going to do with this?

Am I going to let it define me? Or am I going to let it shape me in a positive way?

Am I going to let it define me? Or am I going to let it shape me in a positive way?

So...

So...

Yeah, I think it puts a microscope on all of us. It just presents itself differently.

Yeah, I think it puts a microscope on all of us. It just presents itself differently.

I mean, that is tricky, isn't it? Because everything is documented, isn't it?

I mean, that is tricky, isn't it? Because everything is documented, isn't it?

you know where she came from and she looks at the world it just keeps on turning and moving and evolving right that is a guarantee the world is going to change whether we like it or not right right and so you know even from where she started in 1901 or whenever it was yeah or 1940 something

you know where she came from and she looks at the world it just keeps on turning and moving and evolving right that is a guarantee the world is going to change whether we like it or not right right and so you know even from where she started in 1901 or whenever it was yeah or 1940 something

And looking at now, you know, the way the industrial revolution changed, you know, from not cars to having cars to having a computer, that was fast. And then we've, you know, we're just progressing and moving. I would say it has its blessings and curses. Just think about this now. So you and I, we're having a nice conversation. We're processing something.

And looking at now, you know, the way the industrial revolution changed, you know, from not cars to having cars to having a computer, that was fast. And then we've, you know, we're just progressing and moving. I would say it has its blessings and curses. Just think about this now. So you and I, we're having a nice conversation. We're processing something.

And we are able to share that and make the world a little village or a little chat. Do you know what I mean? Mm-hmm. If it wasn't for digitalization, this would not be happening.

And we are able to share that and make the world a little village or a little chat. Do you know what I mean? Mm-hmm. If it wasn't for digitalization, this would not be happening.

watching the a team you probably you're not old enough to remember that but I always firmly believe that you books or movies or music just brought me up and inspired me so wonderful that you know people think that of me but actually it's just a baton that gets passed on have you ever read by any other name by Jodi Picoult no is it good it would be right up your alley I feel Yeah.

watching the a team you probably you're not old enough to remember that but I always firmly believe that you books or movies or music just brought me up and inspired me so wonderful that you know people think that of me but actually it's just a baton that gets passed on have you ever read by any other name by Jodi Picoult no is it good it would be right up your alley I feel Yeah.

Right. So that is a blessing. Absolutely. That's a beautiful thing. Yeah. So, and I think it's just, we're all just learning and choosing how the world's going to shape us. And we'll suddenly go, do you know what? That works, that doesn't. It's a bit like sugar and cigarettes. Do they not go together? Well, think about it.

Right. So that is a blessing. Absolutely. That's a beautiful thing. Yeah. So, and I think it's just, we're all just learning and choosing how the world's going to shape us. And we'll suddenly go, do you know what? That works, that doesn't. It's a bit like sugar and cigarettes. Do they not go together? Well, think about it.

When they first came out, no one really, you know, they didn't come with a label for

When they first came out, no one really, you know, they didn't come with a label for

I'm very proud of the... United Kingdom but what I will say about America I think I feel like we're cousins so we have this sort of connection and obviously you know we all you know have history and we all can be idiots at different times none of us have behaved perfectly but we're all still connected you know that there are good bits that we feel I feel like Americans and Brits we're cousins

I'm very proud of the... United Kingdom but what I will say about America I think I feel like we're cousins so we have this sort of connection and obviously you know we all you know have history and we all can be idiots at different times none of us have behaved perfectly but we're all still connected you know that there are good bits that we feel I feel like Americans and Brits we're cousins

And there's some amazing bits that we learn from each other and love each other for. Sure. You know, so.

And there's some amazing bits that we learn from each other and love each other for. Sure. You know, so.

For what it's saying to me, is that one, we all want to connect. Yes. We want to feel connected, but we also want to feel our own identity. Rosie Frost is all about that. It's all about that. And there's a whole family tree in it.

For what it's saying to me, is that one, we all want to connect. Yes. We want to feel connected, but we also want to feel our own identity. Rosie Frost is all about that. It's all about that. And there's a whole family tree in it.

Okay.

Okay.

And she's finding, she's sent to that island, Bloodstone Island, and her mother's died. She doesn't know who her dad is. So that's, you know, that's quite a modern question.

And she's finding, she's sent to that island, Bloodstone Island, and her mother's died. She doesn't know who her dad is. So that's, you know, that's quite a modern question.

And she's wondering, actually in book two, she's going, who's my dad?

And she's wondering, actually in book two, she's going, who's my dad?

Okay, there you go. She's wondering because we want to think, oh, who are we? Who am I? Who am I connected to? Those are natural questions that we can all ask ourselves. I'm learning ultimately you have the truth inside of you.

Okay, there you go. She's wondering because we want to think, oh, who are we? Who am I? Who am I connected to? Those are natural questions that we can all ask ourselves. I'm learning ultimately you have the truth inside of you.

By any other name?

By any other name?

of your own wisdom and your own answers they're all in you yeah no I agree I think it's a little bit hard getting the answers but I think we have them you have them yeah is it because there's so much noise think about it I would say so if you've got lots of children and work and this and that I get quiet and go okay what does my heart feel here sometimes it's hard to get there lots of therapy years of therapy you know

of your own wisdom and your own answers they're all in you yeah no I agree I think it's a little bit hard getting the answers but I think we have them you have them yeah is it because there's so much noise think about it I would say so if you've got lots of children and work and this and that I get quiet and go okay what does my heart feel here sometimes it's hard to get there lots of therapy years of therapy you know

Okay. Can you write it down?

Okay. Can you write it down?

I love and recommend.

I love and recommend.

yeah feel free to join us for book club anytime thank you what's the name of your book club chapter seven because I have seven children chapter seven you know what my mother says right she says it and she's Spanish and she says to me every time there's something might not go as you'd hope she'd go And this is, forgive the Spanish accent. She'd go, chapter 17. Move on. I'm like, okay.

yeah feel free to join us for book club anytime thank you what's the name of your book club chapter seven because I have seven children chapter seven you know what my mother says right she says it and she's Spanish and she says to me every time there's something might not go as you'd hope she'd go And this is, forgive the Spanish accent. She'd go, chapter 17. Move on. I'm like, okay.

Are you bilingual? I can speak a get by if we were lost. Okay. A little bit. That's cool. I didn't know you were Spanish. A little bit. Yeah. I'm a cocktail. Yeah. Of many things. That's what I'm interested in doing.

Are you bilingual? I can speak a get by if we were lost. Okay. A little bit. That's cool. I didn't know you were Spanish. A little bit. Yeah. I'm a cocktail. Yeah. Of many things. That's what I'm interested in doing.

You should do it.

You should do it.

In number two, it's called a Futurology Exhibition. Okay. And like this very, very big investor of the school and the island, okay, he's a multi-billionaire, you know, trillionaire. They're doing a competition of who comes up with different ideas, scientific ideas. And it's not the main story, but it's just one chapter of it.

In number two, it's called a Futurology Exhibition. Okay. And like this very, very big investor of the school and the island, okay, he's a multi-billionaire, you know, trillionaire. They're doing a competition of who comes up with different ideas, scientific ideas. And it's not the main story, but it's just one chapter of it.

And there's one girl called Bina, and she does exactly what you're talking about. They take it from one hair... just from your genetics and can absolutely reveal the lot for you and some. That's so cool. We're all interested, aren't we, in who we are?

And there's one girl called Bina, and she does exactly what you're talking about. They take it from one hair... just from your genetics and can absolutely reveal the lot for you and some. That's so cool. We're all interested, aren't we, in who we are?

Would you ever write another memoir? Maybe. Part of me thinks, God, a lot has happened since that date that I wrote the first one. So, yeah.

Would you ever write another memoir? Maybe. Part of me thinks, God, a lot has happened since that date that I wrote the first one. So, yeah.

looking back and reflecting on everything that you've done and maybe by then you'll have several more books under your belt yeah i just put it i all that you've just mentioned resentment anger which is a natural thing that um we feel yeah it's what we do with it right and so i just use it i use it for creativity so we can either go and i call it the ricochet of revenge right for example you did that so i'm going to do that and then they're going to do it back and it goes boom boom and then there's that feeling of that resentment you mentioned is that

looking back and reflecting on everything that you've done and maybe by then you'll have several more books under your belt yeah i just put it i all that you've just mentioned resentment anger which is a natural thing that um we feel yeah it's what we do with it right and so i just use it i use it for creativity so we can either go and i call it the ricochet of revenge right for example you did that so i'm going to do that and then they're going to do it back and it goes boom boom and then there's that feeling of that resentment you mentioned is that

someone said it's like drinking poison and expecting that other person to die. So staying with it, resentful, who does it serve? So how do you feel about karma then? Do you believe karma is real? No, I don't, you know, potentially I think I'm open to that, but I think, you know, but allowing to letting go of that, you know, resentment towards someone is of service to,

someone said it's like drinking poison and expecting that other person to die. So staying with it, resentful, who does it serve? So how do you feel about karma then? Do you believe karma is real? No, I don't, you know, potentially I think I'm open to that, but I think, you know, but allowing to letting go of that, you know, resentment towards someone is of service to,

Yeah.

Yeah.

to myself right you know because otherwise I'm in constriction and I can't I'm so like caught up in that I'm blocking actually what's inside of me which have other answers, other paths to lead. And the other person doesn't feel it, right? No, of course they don't. What I will say is though, sometimes resentment is gas in your tank, but unfortunately it's short-lived.

to myself right you know because otherwise I'm in constriction and I can't I'm so like caught up in that I'm blocking actually what's inside of me which have other answers, other paths to lead. And the other person doesn't feel it, right? No, of course they don't. What I will say is though, sometimes resentment is gas in your tank, but unfortunately it's short-lived.

You know that sort of, excuse me, that FU. FU, I'm going to show you I can do it. Right. But actually it's a battery power that's going to run out. Right. So when I'm fueled with something greater and bigger...

You know that sort of, excuse me, that FU. FU, I'm going to show you I can do it. Right. But actually it's a battery power that's going to run out. Right. So when I'm fueled with something greater and bigger...

Yes, I did.

Yes, I did.

Because the number one did really, the first book did really, really well. Okay. Second one. Oh my goodness. I created like new characters, a couple of new characters. So I found myself in, In one sitting, right?

Because the number one did really, the first book did really, really well. Okay. Second one. Oh my goodness. I created like new characters, a couple of new characters. So I found myself in, In one sitting, right?

No, no, no. It took me about, oh my God, three weeks to do, right? In one sitting, so that was like three hours worth and I'm reading a couple of chapters. I did about four different accents. I went from, so forgive me, listeners of Audible. Oh, my God. Yeah. I do an Irish accent like that. So I'll be like, Cale, what do you think you're doing?

No, no, no. It took me about, oh my God, three weeks to do, right? In one sitting, so that was like three hours worth and I'm reading a couple of chapters. I did about four different accents. I went from, so forgive me, listeners of Audible. Oh, my God. Yeah. I do an Irish accent like that. So I'll be like, Cale, what do you think you're doing?

I tell you what was the game changer for me. There was this book called The Artist's Way. I don't know what she, like everybody in this room, three people have just nodded going, I know this book. Actually, four people have nodded, I know this book. Five people have nodded, The Artist's Way. I read that book. And it changed my life because I followed it to the letter.

I tell you what was the game changer for me. There was this book called The Artist's Way. I don't know what she, like everybody in this room, three people have just nodded going, I know this book. Actually, four people have nodded, I know this book. Five people have nodded, The Artist's Way. I read that book. And it changed my life because I followed it to the letter.

And then I went from, there's a character called Akiva. Okay. Right? And she's just slay. Yeah. And she's like, oh, my God, Cale, what do you think you're doing? You're out of your mind kind of thing.

And then I went from, there's a character called Akiva. Okay. Right? And she's just slay. Yeah. And she's like, oh, my God, Cale, what do you think you're doing? You're out of your mind kind of thing.

Oh, she's country.

Oh, she's country.

Yeah. And then there was, it was like my take on Texas, so forgive me. Yeah. And then who else? There was a French Marie Curie. And she was like, oh my God, what are you doing? We will find the murderer.

Yeah. And then there was, it was like my take on Texas, so forgive me. Yeah. And then who else? There was a French Marie Curie. And she was like, oh my God, what are you doing? We will find the murderer.

I think that I always feel like, cause I, I buy books and I listened to audible. I want to make sure that everyone feels like absolute, like they get their, they get the full value. Yeah.

I think that I always feel like, cause I, I buy books and I listened to audible. I want to make sure that everyone feels like absolute, like they get their, they get the full value. Yeah.

Yeah. So I think, okay, I'm going to give it, you know,

Yeah. So I think, okay, I'm going to give it, you know,

Actually, I'm going to go for something completely different.

Actually, I'm going to go for something completely different.

There was a show, okay, that I only had one season called America's All-American Girl. Okay, okay. And it only did one season. But it was actually quite a nice experience. Like you loved it? Sometimes the process was good.

There was a show, okay, that I only had one season called America's All-American Girl. Okay, okay. And it only did one season. But it was actually quite a nice experience. Like you loved it? Sometimes the process was good.

That's good to know.

That's good to know.

No. Oh.

No. Oh.

I don't think so. No, it didn't make it.

I don't think so. No, it didn't make it.

Gran Turismo was amazing because I was in a scene with, uh, Jarman Husson, which, who was in Gladiator and I had to bring my A game.

Gran Turismo was amazing because I was in a scene with, uh, Jarman Husson, which, who was in Gladiator and I had to bring my A game.

Yes. That was like an experience. And afterwards he went, Ooh, you really can act like he was like, I was like, okay. And I studied acting, but I tell you what else that really was fulfilling was, um, I had, uh, A scene in Sex and the City. Oh! Yes, Phoebe Kittenworth. And you loved it? I remember being in the meatpacking district and I had a scene with Samantha Jones.

Yes. That was like an experience. And afterwards he went, Ooh, you really can act like he was like, I was like, okay. And I studied acting, but I tell you what else that really was fulfilling was, um, I had, uh, A scene in Sex and the City. Oh! Yes, Phoebe Kittenworth. And you loved it? I remember being in the meatpacking district and I had a scene with Samantha Jones.

And I remember looking, because I'd been studying acting. And I was like, oh my God, I feel, I just felt so grateful. I looked up at the sky and I was saying, I am loving my life right now. I love that though.

And I remember looking, because I'd been studying acting. And I was like, oh my God, I feel, I just felt so grateful. I looked up at the sky and I was saying, I am loving my life right now. I love that though.

If I had to call it for me, I prefer the, I prefer being the painter than the paint. I prefer creating. Okay. Than being so, you know, they all have their mediums. They're all useful. It's all okay. For sure. Yeah. They do. They do. You know, whether it's a really serious drama. Right. You know, Oscar winning. That is important.

If I had to call it for me, I prefer the, I prefer being the painter than the paint. I prefer creating. Okay. Than being so, you know, they all have their mediums. They're all useful. It's all okay. For sure. Yeah. They do. They do. You know, whether it's a really serious drama. Right. You know, Oscar winning. That is important.

As is, you know, a piece of reality TV that's just light and fun and we process. They all are needed. It's like a salad.

As is, you know, a piece of reality TV that's just light and fun and we process. They all are needed. It's like a salad.

And it gives you, for those who don't know, it gives you a series of instructions to really awaken the artisan with you if you want to pivot, if you want new direction, if you want to find out what's inside you. I really firmly believe the answers are within you, all of you, whatever path you want to take. And I read this book, did the challenges. It makes you sort of waken.

And it gives you, for those who don't know, it gives you a series of instructions to really awaken the artisan with you if you want to pivot, if you want new direction, if you want to find out what's inside you. I really firmly believe the answers are within you, all of you, whatever path you want to take. And I read this book, did the challenges. It makes you sort of waken.

I think that market is crowded.

I think that market is crowded.

Favorite song to perform ever? There's a song that I once saw. It was in a Tarantino movie. Okay. Right. Quentin Tarantino? Quentin Tarantino movie. And it's Django Unchained. Okay. And Jamie Foxx. He is on a horse and he's like riding across. Did you say Django? Django Unchained. Yeah, I know. I've seen that. Yes. Yeah. Do you remember when Jamie Foxx is on the horse? Yes.

Favorite song to perform ever? There's a song that I once saw. It was in a Tarantino movie. Okay. Right. Quentin Tarantino? Quentin Tarantino movie. And it's Django Unchained. Okay. And Jamie Foxx. He is on a horse and he's like riding across. Did you say Django? Django Unchained. Yeah, I know. I've seen that. Yes. Yeah. Do you remember when Jamie Foxx is on the horse? Yes.

And in the backdrop is a Jim Croce song called I've Got a Name. Right. Well, I performed that song with one of the Rolling Stones in his lounge. Yeah. And that for me, I was like, oh my God, this is, that's quite, this is amazing.

And in the backdrop is a Jim Croce song called I've Got a Name. Right. Well, I performed that song with one of the Rolling Stones in his lounge. Yeah. And that for me, I was like, oh my God, this is, that's quite, this is amazing.

Okay. I don't know. I really feel confident at reverse parking.

Okay. I don't know. I really feel confident at reverse parking.

it's really like random isn't it and i can speak german you can well not bad i i can speak get by i'm not fluent okay i can speak get by german i love german so german spanish english a little bit yeah i love that so basically trilingual i wouldn't say i'm there but enough enough to get away i love german i love that okay what's this british slang term for like see you next time

it's really like random isn't it and i can speak german you can well not bad i i can speak get by i'm not fluent okay i can speak get by german i love german so german spanish english a little bit yeah i love that so basically trilingual i wouldn't say i'm there but enough enough to get away i love german i love that okay what's this british slang term for like see you next time

Cheerio. Cheerio. That's sort of like quintessential. That's from Mary Poppins. Cheerio. Like with how they imagine. What's his name? Yeah, that's funny.

Cheerio. Cheerio. That's sort of like quintessential. That's from Mary Poppins. Cheerio. Like with how they imagine. What's his name? Yeah, that's funny.

Thank you so much for having me. Well done you. Thank you.

Thank you so much for having me. Well done you. Thank you.

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And so I wrote my first children's book. This was very young children. This is six to seven-year-olds. And I thought there's a gap in the market. So I did Eugenia Lavender. It did very well.

And so I wrote my first children's book. This was very young children. This is six to seven-year-olds. And I thought there's a gap in the market. So I did Eugenia Lavender. It did very well.

bit of a gap and what I loved about writing you can do it anywhere when your kids are at school or you know if you're traveling it's not you know it doesn't tie you down you can still and you get really to to be you get to be the boss yeah you know which is fantastic in so many ways and so to be able to you know to develop

bit of a gap and what I loved about writing you can do it anywhere when your kids are at school or you know if you're traveling it's not you know it doesn't tie you down you can still and you get really to to be you get to be the boss yeah you know which is fantastic in so many ways and so to be able to you know to develop

just through experience, you know, it's just, it's really a wonderful thing.

just through experience, you know, it's just, it's really a wonderful thing.

Because, one, the sort of genesis is always the same in me. Because, you know, I want the story to inspire you. But, I mean, Rosie Frost is a page-turning adventure. You know, because of my reading myself, I feel very, very... Like, I've got to, it's paramount of importance to me that it's page turnery. But there's something, I'm a curious person. I'm nerdy.

Because, one, the sort of genesis is always the same in me. Because, you know, I want the story to inspire you. But, I mean, Rosie Frost is a page-turning adventure. You know, because of my reading myself, I feel very, very... Like, I've got to, it's paramount of importance to me that it's page turnery. But there's something, I'm a curious person. I'm nerdy.

I like facts and all of that, just a little bit. And then there's a little bit of love there. But you invest in the characters, you know, Rosie and Jackson and Bina and Charlie.

I like facts and all of that, just a little bit. And then there's a little bit of love there. But you invest in the characters, you know, Rosie and Jackson and Bina and Charlie.

And Ottilie, she's just like a sleigh queen. You just think, I love you. And she's funny, but they all have an arc and you process things through them and escape with them. So... I feel very responsible as a reader myself to make sure that you feel held and heard and you can't put it down. Absolutely. But then also to give you value in the back of the book, you've got a song.

And Ottilie, she's just like a sleigh queen. You just think, I love you. And she's funny, but they all have an arc and you process things through them and escape with them. So... I feel very responsible as a reader myself to make sure that you feel held and heard and you can't put it down. Absolutely. But then also to give you value in the back of the book, you've got a song.

So if you were a fan of...

So if you were a fan of...

Oh, okay. The Nightingale.

Oh, okay. The Nightingale.

Okay. Historical fiction is brilliant, and that's how I got entry into this kind of genre is because I read The Other Berlin Girl. Okay. And Philippa Gregory is like the slay queen of that genre. Mm-hmm. But what I try to do with Rosie Frost is it's set in present time. Right. But the heritage of her background, the school where she's at, has got all, if you like history, it's all in there.

Okay. Historical fiction is brilliant, and that's how I got entry into this kind of genre is because I read The Other Berlin Girl. Okay. And Philippa Gregory is like the slay queen of that genre. Mm-hmm. But what I try to do with Rosie Frost is it's set in present time. Right. But the heritage of her background, the school where she's at, has got all, if you like history, it's all in there.

If you want a little bit of science, it's all in there. But it's murderous.

If you want a little bit of science, it's all in there. But it's murderous.

So you keep patroning for whatever reason suits you.

So you keep patroning for whatever reason suits you.

Yeah. So we... Yeah, I'm in it already. Yeah.

Yeah. So we... Yeah, I'm in it already. Yeah.

I think it's letting go of it perfectly.

I think it's letting go of it perfectly.

Sometimes a bit of discipline, you know, getting up and no matter what, just meet the, you know, the page at nine o'clock in the morning. And then, you know, and so really using the time for a few hours, you're at your desk, phone outside and that's no distractions. Yep. Then sometimes you're going to get inspired.

Sometimes a bit of discipline, you know, getting up and no matter what, just meet the, you know, the page at nine o'clock in the morning. And then, you know, and so really using the time for a few hours, you're at your desk, phone outside and that's no distractions. Yep. Then sometimes you're going to get inspired.

I think I've become much more guarded of my time. Okay.

I think I've become much more guarded of my time. Okay.

You know, I'm not going to have so much... I mean, you've got a lot of children that want your attention. Yep. And I love being a mother. So, you know, to show up for them and for myself, my artist within me, to feel satisfied just takes... I think it takes a bit of practice.

You know, I'm not going to have so much... I mean, you've got a lot of children that want your attention. Yep. And I love being a mother. So, you know, to show up for them and for myself, my artist within me, to feel satisfied just takes... I think it takes a bit of practice.

Yeah, you just think, okay. And also forgiveness when sometimes you're not going to get it perfect.

Yeah, you just think, okay. And also forgiveness when sometimes you're not going to get it perfect.

Definitely, definitely. But all people around me, it's like being, I think it's like being a chef that you sort of take, oh, I'll take that person, Bina, the character in there, she's a little bit of my, someone that I know and then someone else I know, this child that I know.

Definitely, definitely. But all people around me, it's like being, I think it's like being a chef that you sort of take, oh, I'll take that person, Bina, the character in there, she's a little bit of my, someone that I know and then someone else I know, this child that I know.

So you keep the anonymity. You can't help it. You can't help it. But fundamentally, I think there is a level in all of us that... It's the same. It's just a generalization. We all want to be loved. Right. And heard. And even in the best of us, there's a little bit of, you know, there's the worst of us. And in the worst of us, you know, there's a little bit of greatness too. Absolutely.

So you keep the anonymity. You can't help it. You can't help it. But fundamentally, I think there is a level in all of us that... It's the same. It's just a generalization. We all want to be loved. Right. And heard. And even in the best of us, there's a little bit of, you know, there's the worst of us. And in the worst of us, you know, there's a little bit of greatness too. Absolutely.

So I sort of make, try and make well-rounded characters that we can all... connect with. And I love that. Yeah. And you should watch their journey and surprise and cry when they die.

So I sort of make, try and make well-rounded characters that we can all... connect with. And I love that. Yeah. And you should watch their journey and surprise and cry when they die.

Yeah. They've got to though. Yeah. They have to. Someone, you have to make the, you know, someone always has to die. Yeah. You have to cry in a book. And I always endeavor to make you cry and laugh and laugh out loud. There's bits in it that I'm like, I was muttering with humor when I was like, well, a certain chapter online that's quite amusing to me

Yeah. They've got to though. Yeah. They have to. Someone, you have to make the, you know, someone always has to die. Yeah. You have to cry in a book. And I always endeavor to make you cry and laugh and laugh out loud. There's bits in it that I'm like, I was muttering with humor when I was like, well, a certain chapter online that's quite amusing to me

It feels amazing actually. I mean, I always studied English literature before I went into music.

It feels amazing actually. I mean, I always studied English literature before I went into music.

Like when you're going on world tours and you're... Yeah, before I would say, like I was studying English literature and then my path took another way, but I did contemplate at one point being a journalist. Okay. So I did think about it and it was always useful, you know, within the band to contribute in that level. I found it really, you know, I could give authentically...

Like when you're going on world tours and you're... Yeah, before I would say, like I was studying English literature and then my path took another way, but I did contemplate at one point being a journalist. Okay. So I did think about it and it was always useful, you know, within the band to contribute in that level. I found it really, you know, I could give authentically...

So it was kind of, I always loved the power of words. I didn't have a lot of money when I was younger, but I always found a love of reading. I could escape and you can learn so much. just through the power of a book.

So it was kind of, I always loved the power of words. I didn't have a lot of money when I was younger, but I always found a love of reading. I could escape and you can learn so much. just through the power of a book.

you know, the power of words and ideas. Right. You know, sort of that landscape of it. I really enjoyed that bit, you know, whatever it came to. Yeah. You know, whether it was videos, you know, storytelling within a song is like a coffee shot of a story, whereas a book is just a longer feast.

you know, the power of words and ideas. Right. You know, sort of that landscape of it. I really enjoyed that bit, you know, whatever it came to. Yeah. You know, whether it was videos, you know, storytelling within a song is like a coffee shot of a story, whereas a book is just a longer feast.

I'll tell you who gave me the first piece of advice. Do you know who Dawn French is? She's a comedian. Okay, no. She was in French and Saunders. She used to be in, what did she be? She was really good. If you look at Vicar of Dibley, she's really funny. Okay. And she's so clever. And she's a brilliant comedian. She told me, leave the phone outside. That was the first bit.

I'll tell you who gave me the first piece of advice. Do you know who Dawn French is? She's a comedian. Okay, no. She was in French and Saunders. She used to be in, what did she be? She was really good. If you look at Vicar of Dibley, she's really funny. Okay. And she's so clever. And she's a brilliant comedian. She told me, leave the phone outside. That was the first bit.

But I love sharing love of books with other people. And you go, what did you think of that bit? And a good one, yeah.

But I love sharing love of books with other people. And you go, what did you think of that bit? And a good one, yeah.

It's so hard to say. I mean, you must have that thought a lot. Because ones that stay with you, for example, Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe. I read that as a child. Amazing. But then, you know, in my 30s, I remember reading The Book Thief. Okay. And that was so different and incredible. And then I read Hamnet. Have you read that? No. Okay, that's, oh my God, that makes you cry.

It's so hard to say. I mean, you must have that thought a lot. Because ones that stay with you, for example, Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe. I read that as a child. Amazing. But then, you know, in my 30s, I remember reading The Book Thief. Okay. And that was so different and incredible. And then I read Hamnet. Have you read that? No. Okay, that's, oh my God, that makes you cry.

Okay. But sometimes I think, oh my goodness, do I really want to cry? Tomorrow, tomorrow, tomorrow? That's another one that will make you cry.

Okay. But sometimes I think, oh my goodness, do I really want to cry? Tomorrow, tomorrow, tomorrow? That's another one that will make you cry.

No, I don't. But then I don't want to. I picked one up the other day and it started, it felt a bit different. I thought, no, I'm just going to watch a comedy. Thank you.

No, I don't. But then I don't want to. I picked one up the other day and it started, it felt a bit different. I thought, no, I'm just going to watch a comedy. Thank you.

Yeah, it's extreme. Do you have a favorite comedian? Do you know what? I'm going to say this. I'm watching the studio. Seth Rogan. Yes, he's so funny. He's so funny. He's so funny. I didn't... Like, forgive me, Seth, but I had no idea how funny he is. Have you met him? No.

It definitely is a superpower if you can really get your head in the game of reading. And then... And so, you know, having a book, and I've written books before for younger, but then I thought, oh, I'd really like to do a series for older, but for everyone, because I'm a reader myself, it doesn't matter what age bracket it's meant to be in.

They're normally a little bit not as funny when you meet them. Yeah, I always wonder that because I feel like comedians... They're storing it all up, the nuances for that moment.

Yeah.

Or can you pick one? I mean, they're all like Batman suits. I don't know. What does your tattoo with a B mean?

And how old is verse? He's one. Oh my goodness. And the twin? Valley. Valley. Valley and verse.

You're like the Waltons. I don't know what that means. Oh, my God. You need to go and look back at American history. Okay. The Waltons. Do you think we'll make history? Potentially.

Yeah, of course you're making history. Okay, ask one of your friends. Okay. Mothers or, you know, relatives that are slightly older. Okay. About the Waltons, right? And they will know exactly what I'm about to say anyway. Good night, Grandpa. Good night.

grandma you know and they all said and there was about seven of them the kids there's seven kids I have seven of them okay yeah so that's what I think you need to go and watch it just google the Waltons okay I'm going to that'll be my on my drive home I will it was always a very loving family experience okay I hope my kids have that. Like, that has a warm place in my heart, the Waltons. Okay.

And are they an American family? Yes.

It's a big American TV show. I don't think I've ever... That I used to watch as a little girl. And they lived up on this valley. Uh-huh. So, valley in verse. Yes. And it was just very charming. But they, you know, they'd face their adversities together.

So why don't we get, like, the BBC? Well, you can now, but we had things like The Waltons, The A-Team... Charlie's Angels. We were flooded with American television. And then we'd watch these movies and back in the day you only had a few channels and you'd think America. Ghostbusters, and you'd see New York and think, wow.

No, it was still really charming. Do you know what it was? I remember, because I'd only ever seen America on big movies. Right. You know, yellow cabs or big limousines. You have this idealization of what it's going to be. But I remember when I first arrived in Los Angeles and I saw a limousine, I was like, wow. This was when limos weren't... you know, so available.

And so having, you know, this series come out and be a success, I'm like, I'm so grateful, you know, that dreams do come true. This is a dream come true. And lovely to share it with you. You're amazing.

Now everyone gets a limo just for their birthday party. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, for sure. But then it was like a big deal and I saw it and I was like, oh my God, I felt like I was in a movie. Did they not have that? Not really. It was a very much more American culture, I think.

I don't know. I think you start to sort of homogenize and merge into one. But I would say back when I was younger, there was a much more... It just felt very, very adrenalized and it felt really optimistic and we can do it. Yeah. You know, so I was brought up with that energy watching it and thinking, yeah, that's it.

Yeah. Fame. There was a TV show called Fame. Okay. Need to look at these programs. They're American. They're your heritage. Yeah. Fame is another one.

Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah. and extreme gratitude i just feel incredibly grateful that you know this it's connected that's all you can hope for yeah because it's very exposing and um and you just go for it yeah but for when people connect it's just so rewarding yeah it's really nice and i'm sure you have

Well, look, to everyone listening at home, you know, you don't know me very well, and I don't know you listening, and I don't know this lovely lady, Kale, very well, but in the few minutes that she's telling me about herself, you know, and...

And so that's kind of cool. Yeah, it's very cool. And so, but I try and write books that... if whatever is ageless, timeless. So you, I can read it. My 15 year old could read it. Yeah. A good reader, 10 year old could read it, but also a 47 year old could read it. Anyone can. Yeah. And you'll get what you need out of it. If you just want page turning fast adventure, that's it.

But if you want, you know, nerdy factors in there, if you want relationship, like, are you going to cry or kiss? It's in there. The first kiss. I can't. The first kiss is in there. Yeah. Period. The first kiss.

The first kiss is in there.

It sort of touches on it in a very, I'm quite proud of the way it touches on love. Just very gently. That confusing... And actually, what it says in that 14-year-old, she's just turning 14, it's the age of power. And we go through different chapters in our life where we suddenly go, do you know what? This is a new chapter. I'm reclaiming it. I'm owning my identity.

And that can happen whether you're 14, 27. 35, you know, different periods. And we all go like, okay, this is a new phase.

Evolution. Yeah, exactly. I think it's natural.

Um, there is a saying you can either write on, they call it pants or premise. I said, do you know this? Yeah. And so, and the first book I was just, um, the first Rosie, I was just writing you know, by the seat of my pants. I didn't really plan. Okay. I did plan character that always stayed the same, but the actual premise, I kind of knew.

And then with book two, with experience, another author said to me, why don't you just write an outline first? But I always knew, and I know what my ending is for the end of book three. I always knew that from the beginning. Okay. And, and you put yourself in and, you know, the, but then there is structure and you become attached to the characters.

Feel free to edit this out, but I'm hearing, my goodness, what a strength of a woman to, you know, have all these children, bring them up, be a businesswoman, educate herself, show interest, look beautiful. I'm like, wow, that is really inspiring.

Whereas I think an autobiography is much more, in certain ways, a cathartic experience.

Do you know what I mean? It's just like...

this happened and this and you're processing as you do it so and I did that many I mean it was a quarter of a life right now I was only 26 when I went to do it so you've done it too and you know I always think actually when people come and say oh I went through that too that was useful and that's quite nice isn't it yeah has anything that you experienced both I guess as

Yeah. There is something in here that I put in all the way through actually. And that is.

it's about grief okay so if you want page turning adventure that's it you're gonna get it right but there is a little bit of i call it iceberging subtext to the character rosie frost she's lost her mother and we know lots of orphans in different stories but actually she you see you feel her process losing her mother and um

And if you ever experienced grief, like I did when I was younger, my dad died when I was young, and I had this constant feeling that I didn't know how to process. And everyone's quite in the West, quite conservative, quite modest about their feelings. Whereas in the East, they were very much about, you know, everyone passes and how you process it.

And so I had this sort of contained feeling within me that I felt quite stuck when I was younger. Okay. And so looking at that, I put it in the book that, you know, Rosie, she's going through that feeling of like she's quite angry, actually, and she's sort of really trying to put a lid on it.

And so I think everything is copy. Everything is useful. Right. You know, whatever you've experienced with your your own child in your beginning and what the subtext of this is also is that and in book number two and it says one of the characters, Jackson, he's kind of a bit of a love interest. And he comes from a different kind of, you know, heritage family. And he says, isn't it interesting?

You know, we have all these backstories. And it doesn't matter who you are, you know, whether you're the duchess or the dustman. It doesn't matter. We all have a backstory, right, from our families, you know, what we've inherited. And the truth is, is our conditioning of our environment, whether we're going to pull the trigger on it or not, whether it's going to get triggered.

right right and so and and and it sort of really like shows that up for example she's acting on revenge like she wants revenge for her mother's murder and she sort of doesn't act in the best way and then she's got this like icky feeling afterwards now okay so that's in that adventure now i'm looking at you and you were telling me you're a little bit about your story and i'm i think you've been quite open about it now

I'm looking at you as a woman. We don't know each other that well, but I'm thinking, OK, here is a woman that she's had seven children. OK, you told me that you don't have a mother, an active mother in your life and you didn't really have one. OK, yet. And you had a child at 17. Yet you managed to turn your poop to fertilizer as in whatever was going on. And look at look at you now.

Look at you now.

Yeah. Look at you now. You are a slaying businesswoman, a brilliant mother, and you look great. Thank you. Yeah. And so you haven't, you've actually, you've pivoted to what your, how would you say, the conditions that could have triggered somebody else into a different path. Yet you've gone, nah, I'm going to make something great. And that's amazing. And we're all learning as we go.

you're the originator of this right like you have taught young girls that you can do all the things you can be a mom you can be a pop star you can be an author you can be educated you can be all of that yeah I think we all learn from each other if I can see it we you know we can be it yeah and you know so I was always watching television and thinking you know American television was

Rosie Frost, she goes through those. It's very real what happens to her. She's angry and she acts badly at a moment and then suddenly goes, you know what, this doesn't feel good. That's relatable. That's relatable. So I try to make it a very modern story. Right. Although it's like heightened realism in certain ways, but actually all the feelings and everything she goes through is real.

Yeah, absolutely. We all have to in different shapes and forms. Every single one of us that's listening, you, me, everyone... We get presented with different challenges. And someone said to me, those challenges in our life, they are qualifiers. Those obstacles, like that, okay, what am I going to do with this? How bad do I want this? Or, you know, what am I going to do with this?

Am I going to let it define me? Or am I going to let it shape me in a positive way?

So...

Yeah, I think it puts a microscope on all of us. It just presents itself differently.

I mean, that is tricky, isn't it? Because everything is documented, isn't it?

you know where she came from and she looks at the world it just keeps on turning and moving and evolving right that is a guarantee the world is going to change whether we like it or not right right and so you know even from where she started in 1901 or whenever it was yeah or 1940 something

And looking at now, you know, the way the industrial revolution changed, you know, from not cars to having cars to having a computer, that was fast. And then we've, you know, we're just progressing and moving. I would say it has its blessings and curses. Just think about this now. So you and I, we're having a nice conversation. We're processing something.

And we are able to share that and make the world a little village or a little chat. Do you know what I mean? Mm-hmm. If it wasn't for digitalization, this would not be happening.

watching the a team you probably you're not old enough to remember that but I always firmly believe that you books or movies or music just brought me up and inspired me so wonderful that you know people think that of me but actually it's just a baton that gets passed on have you ever read by any other name by Jodi Picoult no is it good it would be right up your alley I feel Yeah.

Right. So that is a blessing. Absolutely. That's a beautiful thing. Yeah. So, and I think it's just, we're all just learning and choosing how the world's going to shape us. And we'll suddenly go, do you know what? That works, that doesn't. It's a bit like sugar and cigarettes. Do they not go together? Well, think about it.

When they first came out, no one really, you know, they didn't come with a label for

I'm very proud of the... United Kingdom but what I will say about America I think I feel like we're cousins so we have this sort of connection and obviously you know we all you know have history and we all can be idiots at different times none of us have behaved perfectly but we're all still connected you know that there are good bits that we feel I feel like Americans and Brits we're cousins

And there's some amazing bits that we learn from each other and love each other for. Sure. You know, so.

For what it's saying to me, is that one, we all want to connect. Yes. We want to feel connected, but we also want to feel our own identity. Rosie Frost is all about that. It's all about that. And there's a whole family tree in it.

Okay.

And she's finding, she's sent to that island, Bloodstone Island, and her mother's died. She doesn't know who her dad is. So that's, you know, that's quite a modern question.

And she's wondering, actually in book two, she's going, who's my dad?

Okay, there you go. She's wondering because we want to think, oh, who are we? Who am I? Who am I connected to? Those are natural questions that we can all ask ourselves. I'm learning ultimately you have the truth inside of you.

By any other name?

of your own wisdom and your own answers they're all in you yeah no I agree I think it's a little bit hard getting the answers but I think we have them you have them yeah is it because there's so much noise think about it I would say so if you've got lots of children and work and this and that I get quiet and go okay what does my heart feel here sometimes it's hard to get there lots of therapy years of therapy you know

Okay. Can you write it down?

I love and recommend.

yeah feel free to join us for book club anytime thank you what's the name of your book club chapter seven because I have seven children chapter seven you know what my mother says right she says it and she's Spanish and she says to me every time there's something might not go as you'd hope she'd go And this is, forgive the Spanish accent. She'd go, chapter 17. Move on. I'm like, okay.

Are you bilingual? I can speak a get by if we were lost. Okay. A little bit. That's cool. I didn't know you were Spanish. A little bit. Yeah. I'm a cocktail. Yeah. Of many things. That's what I'm interested in doing.

You should do it.

In number two, it's called a Futurology Exhibition. Okay. And like this very, very big investor of the school and the island, okay, he's a multi-billionaire, you know, trillionaire. They're doing a competition of who comes up with different ideas, scientific ideas. And it's not the main story, but it's just one chapter of it.

And there's one girl called Bina, and she does exactly what you're talking about. They take it from one hair... just from your genetics and can absolutely reveal the lot for you and some. That's so cool. We're all interested, aren't we, in who we are?

Would you ever write another memoir? Maybe. Part of me thinks, God, a lot has happened since that date that I wrote the first one. So, yeah.

looking back and reflecting on everything that you've done and maybe by then you'll have several more books under your belt yeah i just put it i all that you've just mentioned resentment anger which is a natural thing that um we feel yeah it's what we do with it right and so i just use it i use it for creativity so we can either go and i call it the ricochet of revenge right for example you did that so i'm going to do that and then they're going to do it back and it goes boom boom and then there's that feeling of that resentment you mentioned is that

someone said it's like drinking poison and expecting that other person to die. So staying with it, resentful, who does it serve? So how do you feel about karma then? Do you believe karma is real? No, I don't, you know, potentially I think I'm open to that, but I think, you know, but allowing to letting go of that, you know, resentment towards someone is of service to,

Yeah.

to myself right you know because otherwise I'm in constriction and I can't I'm so like caught up in that I'm blocking actually what's inside of me which have other answers, other paths to lead. And the other person doesn't feel it, right? No, of course they don't. What I will say is though, sometimes resentment is gas in your tank, but unfortunately it's short-lived.

You know that sort of, excuse me, that FU. FU, I'm going to show you I can do it. Right. But actually it's a battery power that's going to run out. Right. So when I'm fueled with something greater and bigger...

Yes, I did.

Because the number one did really, the first book did really, really well. Okay. Second one. Oh my goodness. I created like new characters, a couple of new characters. So I found myself in, In one sitting, right?

No, no, no. It took me about, oh my God, three weeks to do, right? In one sitting, so that was like three hours worth and I'm reading a couple of chapters. I did about four different accents. I went from, so forgive me, listeners of Audible. Oh, my God. Yeah. I do an Irish accent like that. So I'll be like, Cale, what do you think you're doing?

I tell you what was the game changer for me. There was this book called The Artist's Way. I don't know what she, like everybody in this room, three people have just nodded going, I know this book. Actually, four people have nodded, I know this book. Five people have nodded, The Artist's Way. I read that book. And it changed my life because I followed it to the letter.

And then I went from, there's a character called Akiva. Okay. Right? And she's just slay. Yeah. And she's like, oh, my God, Cale, what do you think you're doing? You're out of your mind kind of thing.

Oh, she's country.

Yeah. And then there was, it was like my take on Texas, so forgive me. Yeah. And then who else? There was a French Marie Curie. And she was like, oh my God, what are you doing? We will find the murderer.

I think that I always feel like, cause I, I buy books and I listened to audible. I want to make sure that everyone feels like absolute, like they get their, they get the full value. Yeah.

Yeah. So I think, okay, I'm going to give it, you know,

Actually, I'm going to go for something completely different.

There was a show, okay, that I only had one season called America's All-American Girl. Okay, okay. And it only did one season. But it was actually quite a nice experience. Like you loved it? Sometimes the process was good.

That's good to know.

No. Oh.

I don't think so. No, it didn't make it.

Gran Turismo was amazing because I was in a scene with, uh, Jarman Husson, which, who was in Gladiator and I had to bring my A game.

Yes. That was like an experience. And afterwards he went, Ooh, you really can act like he was like, I was like, okay. And I studied acting, but I tell you what else that really was fulfilling was, um, I had, uh, A scene in Sex and the City. Oh! Yes, Phoebe Kittenworth. And you loved it? I remember being in the meatpacking district and I had a scene with Samantha Jones.

And I remember looking, because I'd been studying acting. And I was like, oh my God, I feel, I just felt so grateful. I looked up at the sky and I was saying, I am loving my life right now. I love that though.

If I had to call it for me, I prefer the, I prefer being the painter than the paint. I prefer creating. Okay. Than being so, you know, they all have their mediums. They're all useful. It's all okay. For sure. Yeah. They do. They do. You know, whether it's a really serious drama. Right. You know, Oscar winning. That is important.

As is, you know, a piece of reality TV that's just light and fun and we process. They all are needed. It's like a salad.

And it gives you, for those who don't know, it gives you a series of instructions to really awaken the artisan with you if you want to pivot, if you want new direction, if you want to find out what's inside you. I really firmly believe the answers are within you, all of you, whatever path you want to take. And I read this book, did the challenges. It makes you sort of waken.

I think that market is crowded.

Favorite song to perform ever? There's a song that I once saw. It was in a Tarantino movie. Okay. Right. Quentin Tarantino? Quentin Tarantino movie. And it's Django Unchained. Okay. And Jamie Foxx. He is on a horse and he's like riding across. Did you say Django? Django Unchained. Yeah, I know. I've seen that. Yes. Yeah. Do you remember when Jamie Foxx is on the horse? Yes.

And in the backdrop is a Jim Croce song called I've Got a Name. Right. Well, I performed that song with one of the Rolling Stones in his lounge. Yeah. And that for me, I was like, oh my God, this is, that's quite, this is amazing.

Okay. I don't know. I really feel confident at reverse parking.

it's really like random isn't it and i can speak german you can well not bad i i can speak get by i'm not fluent okay i can speak get by german i love german so german spanish english a little bit yeah i love that so basically trilingual i wouldn't say i'm there but enough enough to get away i love german i love that okay what's this british slang term for like see you next time

Cheerio. Cheerio. That's sort of like quintessential. That's from Mary Poppins. Cheerio. Like with how they imagine. What's his name? Yeah, that's funny.

Thank you so much for having me. Well done you. Thank you.

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And so I wrote my first children's book. This was very young children. This is six to seven-year-olds. And I thought there's a gap in the market. So I did Eugenia Lavender. It did very well.

bit of a gap and what I loved about writing you can do it anywhere when your kids are at school or you know if you're traveling it's not you know it doesn't tie you down you can still and you get really to to be you get to be the boss yeah you know which is fantastic in so many ways and so to be able to you know to develop

just through experience, you know, it's just, it's really a wonderful thing.

Because, one, the sort of genesis is always the same in me. Because, you know, I want the story to inspire you. But, I mean, Rosie Frost is a page-turning adventure. You know, because of my reading myself, I feel very, very... Like, I've got to, it's paramount of importance to me that it's page turnery. But there's something, I'm a curious person. I'm nerdy.

I like facts and all of that, just a little bit. And then there's a little bit of love there. But you invest in the characters, you know, Rosie and Jackson and Bina and Charlie.

And Ottilie, she's just like a sleigh queen. You just think, I love you. And she's funny, but they all have an arc and you process things through them and escape with them. So... I feel very responsible as a reader myself to make sure that you feel held and heard and you can't put it down. Absolutely. But then also to give you value in the back of the book, you've got a song.

So if you were a fan of...

Oh, okay. The Nightingale.

Okay. Historical fiction is brilliant, and that's how I got entry into this kind of genre is because I read The Other Berlin Girl. Okay. And Philippa Gregory is like the slay queen of that genre. Mm-hmm. But what I try to do with Rosie Frost is it's set in present time. Right. But the heritage of her background, the school where she's at, has got all, if you like history, it's all in there.

If you want a little bit of science, it's all in there. But it's murderous.

So you keep patroning for whatever reason suits you.

Yeah. So we... Yeah, I'm in it already. Yeah.

I think it's letting go of it perfectly.

Sometimes a bit of discipline, you know, getting up and no matter what, just meet the, you know, the page at nine o'clock in the morning. And then, you know, and so really using the time for a few hours, you're at your desk, phone outside and that's no distractions. Yep. Then sometimes you're going to get inspired.

I think I've become much more guarded of my time. Okay.

You know, I'm not going to have so much... I mean, you've got a lot of children that want your attention. Yep. And I love being a mother. So, you know, to show up for them and for myself, my artist within me, to feel satisfied just takes... I think it takes a bit of practice.

Yeah, you just think, okay. And also forgiveness when sometimes you're not going to get it perfect.

Definitely, definitely. But all people around me, it's like being, I think it's like being a chef that you sort of take, oh, I'll take that person, Bina, the character in there, she's a little bit of my, someone that I know and then someone else I know, this child that I know.

So you keep the anonymity. You can't help it. You can't help it. But fundamentally, I think there is a level in all of us that... It's the same. It's just a generalization. We all want to be loved. Right. And heard. And even in the best of us, there's a little bit of, you know, there's the worst of us. And in the worst of us, you know, there's a little bit of greatness too. Absolutely.

So I sort of make, try and make well-rounded characters that we can all... connect with. And I love that. Yeah. And you should watch their journey and surprise and cry when they die.

Yeah. They've got to though. Yeah. They have to. Someone, you have to make the, you know, someone always has to die. Yeah. You have to cry in a book. And I always endeavor to make you cry and laugh and laugh out loud. There's bits in it that I'm like, I was muttering with humor when I was like, well, a certain chapter online that's quite amusing to me

It feels amazing actually. I mean, I always studied English literature before I went into music.

Like when you're going on world tours and you're... Yeah, before I would say, like I was studying English literature and then my path took another way, but I did contemplate at one point being a journalist. Okay. So I did think about it and it was always useful, you know, within the band to contribute in that level. I found it really, you know, I could give authentically...

So it was kind of, I always loved the power of words. I didn't have a lot of money when I was younger, but I always found a love of reading. I could escape and you can learn so much. just through the power of a book.

you know, the power of words and ideas. Right. You know, sort of that landscape of it. I really enjoyed that bit, you know, whatever it came to. Yeah. You know, whether it was videos, you know, storytelling within a song is like a coffee shot of a story, whereas a book is just a longer feast.

I'll tell you who gave me the first piece of advice. Do you know who Dawn French is? She's a comedian. Okay, no. She was in French and Saunders. She used to be in, what did she be? She was really good. If you look at Vicar of Dibley, she's really funny. Okay. And she's so clever. And she's a brilliant comedian. She told me, leave the phone outside. That was the first bit.

But I love sharing love of books with other people. And you go, what did you think of that bit? And a good one, yeah.

It's so hard to say. I mean, you must have that thought a lot. Because ones that stay with you, for example, Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe. I read that as a child. Amazing. But then, you know, in my 30s, I remember reading The Book Thief. Okay. And that was so different and incredible. And then I read Hamnet. Have you read that? No. Okay, that's, oh my God, that makes you cry.

Okay. But sometimes I think, oh my goodness, do I really want to cry? Tomorrow, tomorrow, tomorrow? That's another one that will make you cry.

No, I don't. But then I don't want to. I picked one up the other day and it started, it felt a bit different. I thought, no, I'm just going to watch a comedy. Thank you.