This week Kail is living out every 90 girls girlhood dream sitting down to talk with Geri Halliwell-Horner, also know as the iconic Ginger spice from THE Spice Girls about her latest release in her duology; Rosie Frost: Ice On Fire. Geri gives us an insight into the woman behind the mic and the pen by discussing her writing process and how she puts a little bit of herself and her experiences in each story. Kail and Geri discuss everything from history to generational trauma and childhood TV shows, so many things!If you ever wondered what it's like inside the mind of one of your favorite 90s pop icons you have to listen to this episode!For full videos head to patreon.com/kaillowryPurchase Roise Frost: Ice On Fire Purchase the first book Rosie Frost And The Falcon QueenThank you for supporting the show by checking it the sponsors!Nutrafol: Start your hair growth journey today at nutrafol.com use promo code FAMOUSGIFTSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Chapter 1: Who is Geri Halliwell-Horner and what is she known for?
Welcome to the shit show. Things are going to get weird. It's your fave villain, Kale Lowry. And you're listening to Barely Famous.
today's episode is bringing you a full dose of girl power and by that i mean who you might know as ginger spice we know her as jerry hollowell horner and not only is she a pop icon she's also a writer and i absolutely love her this is like me trying not to fan girl jerry is inspiring a whole new generation of girls with her new book she has rosie frost the duology that she is working on she started it in 2023
the first book released and now april 2025 the second book in the duology is out this is jerry hallowell horner and let's get right into it jerry welcome to the barely famous podcast i'm so happy you're here oh thank you very much for having me i loved the history lesson on henry viii you're so welcome i loved it and we have to talk about your books because i am a huge reader and i love reading
So you sort of transitioned from, you know, you're a mom, you are, you know, you were a pop star and now you're an author, you're a bestselling author. So let's talk about it. How does it feel?
It feels amazing actually. I mean, I always studied English literature before I went into music.
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Chapter 2: What inspired Geri to become an author?
Okay.
So it was kind of, I always loved the power of words. I didn't have a lot of money when I was younger, but I always found a love of reading. I could escape and you can learn so much. just through the power of a book.
Yes.
It definitely is a superpower if you can really get your head in the game of reading. And then... And so, you know, having a book, and I've written books before for younger, but then I thought, oh, I'd really like to do a series for older, but for everyone, because I'm a reader myself, it doesn't matter what age bracket it's meant to be in.
And so having, you know, this series come out and be a success, I'm like, I'm so grateful, you know, that dreams do come true. This is a dream come true. And lovely to share it with you. You're amazing.
Why do you say that?
Well, look, to everyone listening at home, you know, you don't know me very well, and I don't know you listening, and I don't know this lovely lady, Kale, very well, but in the few minutes that she's telling me about herself, you know, and...
Feel free to edit this out, but I'm hearing, my goodness, what a strength of a woman to, you know, have all these children, bring them up, be a businesswoman, educate herself, show interest, look beautiful. I'm like, wow, that is really inspiring.
So Slay You. You are like the icon behind Girl Power.
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Chapter 3: How does Geri balance motherhood and writing?
To juggle it all.
Yeah, you just think, okay. And also forgiveness when sometimes you're not going to get it perfect.
Yeah. Do you think that you have... included pieces of yourself in your characters or pieces of your family?
Definitely, definitely. But all people around me, it's like being, I think it's like being a chef that you sort of take, oh, I'll take that person, Bina, the character in there, she's a little bit of my, someone that I know and then someone else I know, this child that I know.
Yeah.
So you keep the anonymity. You can't help it. You can't help it. But fundamentally, I think there is a level in all of us that... It's the same. It's just a generalization. We all want to be loved. Right. And heard. And even in the best of us, there's a little bit of, you know, there's the worst of us. And in the worst of us, you know, there's a little bit of greatness too. Absolutely.
So I sort of make, try and make well-rounded characters that we can all... connect with. And I love that. Yeah. And you should watch their journey and surprise and cry when they die.
Yeah. No, that's the worst. I hate when that happens.
Yeah. They've got to though. Yeah. They have to. Someone, you have to make the, you know, someone always has to die. Yeah. You have to cry in a book. And I always endeavor to make you cry and laugh and laugh out loud. There's bits in it that I'm like, I was muttering with humor when I was like, well, a certain chapter online that's quite amusing to me
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Chapter 4: What themes are explored in Geri's books?
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Chapter 5: How has Geri's music career influenced her writing?
Yeah.
Yeah, that's so funny. So what is your favorite hat to wear, right? I know that you are all the things, but what is your favorite hat to wear?
Or can you pick one? I mean, they're all like Batman suits. I don't know. What does your tattoo with a B mean?
One of my twins, his name is Verse. Verse. Verse, yeah. Why did you call him Verse? I just love that name. It was, I guess that word. Verse. Verse. Like from the Bible, verse. Verse. Yeah. So I, this wonderful woman in Australia made, I guess she, what they call them jumpers, like a sweater. She hand knitted it and it said his name on it and it had little bumblebees on it.
And so ever since she gifted that to me, I associate, like I think of bee's When I think of verse and I think of verse, I think of bees and I just love them. I think they're so cute.
And how old is verse? He's one. Oh my goodness. And the twin? Valley. Valley. Valley and verse.
Did you know that you were going to have twins? I found out I was going to have twins right away, but I thought they were both going to be boys.
interesting but this is two eggs two eggs yeah okay so that means it's in your family yeah well it's in my family and also I know it doesn't come from the male but he also his mom's a twin and I didn't know that yeah so it does come from the mom's side a lot of people think that if the dad has twins it's genetic but it's not it's not true yeah it's mothers um and so we have them in my family and he has them in his which is really weird oh my god yes yeah amazing yeah
So we have our little verse and value.
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Chapter 6: What is the significance of generational trauma in their conversation?
people of all ages that come to your signings because they know a lot of, you know, people my age knew who you were growing up and then we're also having kids and explaining to our kids who you are, but then they know you as an author, not as a pop star. Yeah.
And so that's kind of cool. Yeah, it's very cool. And so, but I try and write books that... if whatever is ageless, timeless. So you, I can read it. My 15 year old could read it. Yeah. A good reader, 10 year old could read it, but also a 47 year old could read it. Anyone can. Yeah. And you'll get what you need out of it. If you just want page turning fast adventure, that's it.
But if you want, you know, nerdy factors in there, if you want relationship, like, are you going to cry or kiss? It's in there. The first kiss. I can't. The first kiss is in there. Yeah. Period. The first kiss.
Which is, my oldest is around that age. Okay.
The first kiss is in there.
Okay. Well, I'll let him know. Yeah. Here you go.
It sort of touches on it in a very, I'm quite proud of the way it touches on love. Just very gently. That confusing... And actually, what it says in that 14-year-old, she's just turning 14, it's the age of power. And we go through different chapters in our life where we suddenly go, do you know what? This is a new chapter. I'm reclaiming it. I'm owning my identity.
And that can happen whether you're 14, 27. 35, you know, different periods. And we all go like, okay, this is a new phase.
Right. Yeah. No, I think that's relatable for everybody. And I think we all change sort of not identities, but we go through that throughout our lives.
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Chapter 7: How does Geri connect with her fans across generations?
Chapter 8: What are Geri's thoughts on the impact of BookTok?
I would agree.
Do you know what I mean? It's just like...
this happened and this and you're processing as you do it so and I did that many I mean it was a quarter of a life right now I was only 26 when I went to do it so you've done it too and you know I always think actually when people come and say oh I went through that too that was useful and that's quite nice isn't it yeah has anything that you experienced both I guess as
a pop icon, but also writing the, the memoirs shaped the way that you shaped your characters.
Yeah. There is something in here that I put in all the way through actually. And that is.
it's about grief okay so if you want page turning adventure that's it you're gonna get it right but there is a little bit of i call it iceberging subtext to the character rosie frost she's lost her mother and we know lots of orphans in different stories but actually she you see you feel her process losing her mother and um
And if you ever experienced grief, like I did when I was younger, my dad died when I was young, and I had this constant feeling that I didn't know how to process. And everyone's quite in the West, quite conservative, quite modest about their feelings. Whereas in the East, they were very much about, you know, everyone passes and how you process it.
And so I had this sort of contained feeling within me that I felt quite stuck when I was younger. Okay. And so looking at that, I put it in the book that, you know, Rosie, she's going through that feeling of like she's quite angry, actually, and she's sort of really trying to put a lid on it.
Mm-hmm.
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