Kail Lowry
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Barely Famous
Coming Together As A United Front Part 2
Welcome to the shit show. Things are going to get weird. It's your fave villain, Kale Lowry. And you're listening to Barely Famous.
Barely Famous
Coming Together As A United Front Part 2
most communication we've ever had the most um so does that mean that you're unblocking my number and lauren's gonna unblock my number well we've talked about um you know one of our vacations this summer 2025 will be in virginia so that you know we can come see elijah has already been there he was stationed there i think two or three years but
Barely Famous
Coming Together As A United Front Part 2
He already sort of knows the area, but, like, for me to go sort of see, like, where... Not your house, obviously, but just, like, the area and, like, where he'll be over there. And then also a chance for the boys to, like, be on Lincoln's turf over there. You know, like, in Lincoln's... Show them around.
Barely Famous
Coming Together As A United Front Part 2
And so it gives me hope for the relationships.
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Coming Together As A United Front Part 2
Yeah. To know that we already came together for... you know, I let you know, I think I emailed you and was like, Hey, we're going to come, you know, go camping for a week. Um, if you don't mind giving us a week in the summer, which is already like a big ask because you're only getting the summer. So, um, you know, it gives me hope that we can come together in that way.
Barely Famous
Coming Together As A United Front Part 2
And, you know, you guys said you might go to this beach. I said, we already have that planned. Like if it happens to overlap, like that would be really cool, you know, and just sort of having a good relationship with you and Lauren so that you
Barely Famous
Coming Together As A United Front Part 2
if there are creative ways for us to overlap trips or for us to figure out more ways for them to get together and for Lincoln to see you or Lincoln to see me, you know, that we'll be able to do that.
Barely Famous
Coming Together As A United Front Part 2
Right. Like it would be more so you coming to Delaware or you, Lauren and Maisie and Eli coming to Delaware.
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Coming Together As A United Front Part 2
I feel like we're in an okay enough place to be able to try to figure out other creative ways to get them together. Going back to my last question before Elijah comes in was, Have you been scared at all that anyone would leak this information to the media or to the public before you got a chance to speak on it?
Barely Famous
Coming Together As A United Front Part 2
know that like what is it well first of all i guess that's a bigger question it's like what does it feel like to not have people leak information about you because i don't have that experience um like you never that never crossed your mind that someone could like leak out to the media that you're moving to virginia or like see you scouting out houses over there like they've never what's it like to be god's favorite not once yeah no i haven't worried about someone telling it
Barely Famous
Coming Together As A United Front Part 2
I don't want to hear it either. I don't want to hear, oh, well, you should have done this or you should have done that. Because at the end of the day, so many... I know, and you know, and Laura knows, and Elijah knows, that we know that we've been through some shit. We know that we've fought before. We know that things have been rocky.
Barely Famous
Coming Together As A United Front Part 2
But at the end of the day, we are doing what's in the best interest of Lincoln. And I am afraid, after this episode airs, I am afraid that people will try to sway us one way or the other, even though decisions are made. Or they're going to try to bring up points that neither one of us thought of. Or they're going to try to pit us against each other again. And I am very afraid of that.
Barely Famous
Coming Together As A United Front Part 2
Good for you. Smart way to play it. Well, I want to bring Elijah into the conversation. Bringing me back to Teen Mom. Welcome to Barely Famous, Elijah Scott Williams.
Barely Famous
Coming Together As A United Front Part 2
I don't really have anything for you guys, but I was thinking that we could talk about maybe how you feel about seeing Javi and I go through this and navigate
Barely Famous
Coming Together As A United Front Part 2
co-parenting across state lines over the past few months like how what what has it been like with for you to like watch me and like talk to you about it and because I really as rocky as you and I have been over the years on and off like I don't talk shit about you to Elisha like you know when you vent to your partner or whatever it has never been
Barely Famous
Coming Together As A United Front Part 2
And anger towards you, hatred towards you, resentment towards you, maybe a little bit because you get to leave and I don't. But outside of that, it's just been a lot of pain, I think. And you've had to sort of sit through it.
Barely Famous
Coming Together As A United Front Part 2
And you've watched... me go through the court system where the judge decides in another co-parenting situation and that that was my fear was going through and at the end of it like nobody wins here even though we both decided but nobody wins even further when a judge decides in my opinion yeah
Barely Famous
Coming Together As A United Front Part 2
How do you feel about after Spain? Like, well, let me backtrack. How did you feel about Spain when we were there? Like, do you feel good about how everything played out?
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Coming Together As A United Front Part 2
Did you guys think that you would like each other?
Barely Famous
Coming Together As A United Front Part 2
The second you guys were playing all together on the soccer field and I was watching from the hotel window, I was like, oh, like there really is hope for this entire situation.
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Coming Together As A United Front Part 2
either sign him up or I will, and we can still operate the same way. I will make it work. I always do. And I think that when Eli first started playing sports, I remember there being, you know, a time where you were sort of conflicted there because you didn't know which kid's game to go to. And I think that that can be said for anybody with multiple children, right? Like, not just me.
Barely Famous
Coming Together As A United Front Part 2
She just meant your light on your feet. So are we collectively agreeing that we feel pretty good moving forward, at least for this first year?
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Coming Together As A United Front Part 2
i plan on getting fit i plan on getting fit and you know i think he needs a man more like lauren's gonna tutor me in sports no i appreciate that i think he'll need that and like i said i'm at peace knowing he has you honestly and we'll get through it yeah and if you decide that virginia is going to be a permanent thing then you know we can go from there and i'll probably head that way but elijah doesn't really want to go back so unfortunately that'll be a
Barely Famous
Coming Together As A United Front Part 2
Not the rough times. Well, is there anything else that you guys want to add to this whole conversation and like where we go from here? What are the next steps?
Barely Famous
Coming Together As A United Front Part 2
So we'll just make the best of it for the remainder of your time here. And, you know, I'll see you guys both at sports and games and, you know, just keep doing what's best for Lincoln, I think. Warren, you feel good? I guess the best we can. How do you feel about Elijah?
Barely Famous
Coming Together As A United Front Part 2
Yeah. Well, thank you for coming on Barely Famous. And I hope that you feel a little bit better about this and not as nervous.
Barely Famous
Coming Together As A United Front Part 2
Fair. Okay. Well, that's the episode of Barely Famous. We'll catch you next week. See ya.
Barely Famous
Coming Together As A United Front Part 2
I understand what you're saying in terms of, like, I have more kids, so there's more of a...
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Coming Together As A United Front Part 2
And I think that I don't want to speak for you, but I'm in a place where if that was to become something, I would let you know. And I told you that when we went to mediation. If there is a point where I say I cannot do this, I have to... I mean, that's a really hard pill to swallow, I think, for any parent, but especially me because...
Barely Famous
Coming Together As A United Front Part 2
Let me not say especially me because there are plenty of moms who go to every single thing. But I mean, you and I had a really hard time when we stopped going to every single practice, even on, you know, our off weeks with him. Right. So that's going to be a very hard pill for me to swallow.
Barely Famous
Coming Together As A United Front Part 2
I feel comfortable enough with where things stand with myself and you and Lauren that I would be comfortable telling you. But, hey, this is too much. I don't know if that's any consolation to you.
Barely Famous
Coming Together As A United Front Part 2
To co-parent, to communicate, to relay information, because I do think that when there's an extra layer of being across state lines, you know, there's going to be times that you're going to want to call and Lincoln's out of practice or, you know, Lincoln has a doctor appointment right now. You and I know everything every time, right?
Barely Famous
Coming Together As A United Front Part 2
I think because I'm thinking more of right now and I'm also thinking because I think you're so sports oriented. I just was thinking about more than just sports where I think that the sports thing has been such a prominent factor in Lincoln's life that that's where your mind goes. But I'm thinking more so like waiting until the school year and when he transitioned in schools and things like that.
Barely Famous
Coming Together As A United Front Part 2
But have you guys talked about moving at all?
Barely Famous
Coming Together As A United Front Part 2
I'm pretty sure I'm blocked, so that wouldn't have happened. But the people who follow us, I think, would message you or message me and let us know what's going on. And I do appreciate you coming on here to talk about it because I think that this further proves, if to nobody else but to Lincoln, that we're united and that we can talk about it as hard as it is.
Barely Famous
Coming Together As A United Front Part 2
Because what would have been the alternative, you guys talk about it on your own social... I mean, you can't pretend that you live in Delaware, right? I think that's the part that's complicated is that you guys would have left Delaware and then people would have picked up onto it. My fear is that, I mean, regardless, they're going to come up with their own narratives.
Barely Famous
Coming Together As A United Front Part 2
And I think that they would have come up with their own stories. But I do think with us both sitting down and being able to talk about it here is like... there's less of a narrative to be created by other people. I mean, people will take this and run with it however they want, but what was the alternative? You guys just moving and not saying anything?
Barely Famous
Coming Together As A United Front Part 2
If he has an orthodontist appointment that I'm taking him to, I let you know, vice versa. If he does something with you, you let me know. Do you think that we're in a place that we would still continue to do that? Or are you afraid at any point that it might be affected?
Barely Famous
Coming Together As A United Front Part 2
How has it felt for you and for Lauren to know this information for so long and just sit on it? Obviously, I'm sure that your direct circle knows, but the general public doesn't know. How does it feel knowing that in the back of your mind you're leaving and there is truly a fan base or a supportive following that is going to react to this? How does that feel?
Barely Famous
Coming Together As A United Front Part 2
I made a promise to you in mediation and also to Lincoln that for as long as your family is in Delaware, I'll do anything in my power to make sure that if...
Barely Famous
Coming Together As A United Front Part 2
If you can't get down here on a weekend or for whatever reason, if he wants to go hang out with your nephew or he wants to be with your parents or if your parents are already going there on one of my weekends, I'm going to do everything in my power to make sure that Lincoln gets to do those things. And I made you that promise. I made Lincoln that promise. And I stand by that.
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Coming Together As A United Front Part 2
But knowing that we have to have this conversation again next year, either way it goes next year, whether he decides to stay or goes with you, we still have to have this conversation again. So it's like we can get over the feelings, you know, for the time being, but we have to go through it all again next year. And that's a hard pill to swallow too, because nothing feels permanent right now.
Barely Famous
Coming Together As A United Front Part 2
Like even with Lincoln staying for the year, it doesn't feel permanent, doesn't feel solid, doesn't feel secure. And I think that that is really hard. And again, not that it's your fault and I don't wanna blame you because I think the military was a really, really good choice for you. And I think that you have done a great job so far and I don't see that changing anytime soon.
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Coming Together As A United Front Part 2
But when you called me and said that there is a potential that you're moving soon, right? And then we never talked about, I don't remember if you called me, whatever the case was, what last year. Um, I, we never, we didn't have a conversation about it again for months and months and months and months and months. Right. I don't know what I was thinking. I don't know if I just forgot about it.
Barely Famous
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I don't know if I was like, Oh, it's not going to happen. I don't know what I was thinking, but I turned around and I bought 20 acres of land. Cause I was like, Oh, I'm going to build this house and I'm going to do, um, you know, I'm going to have a barn and we're going to move the farm and it's going to be like this great fucking thing. Um,
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and so I sort of put everything on pause because, and I started looking at houses in Virginia. So it's like, I'm, I'm literally not leaving. Like Lincoln's not leaving. He's going to have 50, 50. I'm going to do whatever I have to do. Right. Like I literally person that I got on the phone, we sat on the phone for three hours going through house after house in Virginia. Cause I was like, that's it.
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I'm going with, um, I don't know why I'm telling you this. Um, I think that, um, up until this point in the podcast, it's like, you know, we're, we've been pretty civil about it and we're having this adult conversation, but I don't think that it's over yet. And that's the, I think that's the hardest part. It's like, this isn't us co-parenting up to this point.
Barely Famous
Coming Together As A United Front Part 2
We decided what the custody is going to look like with you moving. And then it's over. I could just, it's going to keep going. And I think part of all of it is like, we feel it. And I know that once the move happens and it actually is executed and the kids are going to have questions.
Barely Famous
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Like we can answer what we can right now, but at the point, and I don't know if Eli does it, but like when I get the kids back on Sundays from Chris, the first thing they ask me is, is Lincoln home? First question. I don't get Lincoln back until Mondays. So having to think about having those conversations with them, and I'm sure on your side too, is so hard for me because
Barely Famous
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Um, and I don't know how to do it. And those conversations are not going to go away. And what happens when Lux is like, well, I want to go to Virginia for the summer. You know, like what, what do I do then? I don't know how we'll navigate it, but I know that we'll do our best, but it's been really hard.
Barely Famous
Coming Together As A United Front Part 2
Well, that's the other thing, too, is like if we were to flip it. And again, I'm not saying that this is the deciding factor. Absolutely not. But putting those things into perspective is like, OK, the six weeks, because I don't have my kids all summer. Right. So the six weeks. And then I also don't celebrate the holidays.
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So now I'm going to keep him from you from for the holidays solely to have time with him. But I'm not like that. I never have been. So even on my holidays, I give them to you. I give him to you because you celebrate them. Right. So then what does that look like? I don't want to deprive him of it. So then... I don't know.
Barely Famous
Coming Together As A United Front Part 2
It's hard because this is a situation where this is not... We don't think about it, right? Don't worry about what you can't control, but this is our child that we're talking about. This is real life circumstances that we have to sort of think ahead. And I don't think that there is a way for us not to worry about it right now. Do you know what I mean?
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Coming Together As A United Front Part 2
But I don't necessarily think that we should be asking him where he wants to be for the entire year. So I think that's going to create a lot of stress.
Barely Famous
Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 2
Welcome to the shit show. Things are going to get weird. It's your fave villain, Kale Lowry. And you're listening to Barely Famous. Welcome back to part two with Sterling on Barely Famous. If you missed it, part one with Sterling aired on January 10th. It's two episodes back. So feel free to go catch up on that one before you listen to this one.
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Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 2
Like I should sign you to my network for that.
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Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 2
Shower with. Would you shower with me? We have showers. Yeah, I was going to say, we probably have. Yeah, I would say you're the only person I can shower with. Besides Elijah, obviously. Shower. You're the only person that would literally let, like, dig into my vagina. If I had to, I would. Yeah, like, if I ever lost a tampon in there and I needed help, I'd call you. I would dig it out. For sure.
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Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 2
We just haven't talked about it from there.
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Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 2
If I needed to shave... and I couldn't get to crevices, I'd call you. I'm fully probably going to be bathing you here in the next couple days.
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Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 2
And we have fun. We make the best of it, even if it's a shitty situation.
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Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 2
Alessandra's on it. I just signed Caitlin and Ty from Teen Mom. Oh, really? Yeah. They're launching next month.
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Because we can pay for our own stuff. You and I have never fought about that. That's another rumor. You pay for all my trips. No, we fight about who's going to pay for stuff. Who's going to pay for stuff. And I've even fought with your mother. You lose that battle every time. Every time. But your mom is never going to let me pay for anything.
Barely Famous
Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 2
But I say all that to say I agree because I think there's resentment builds. And I don't mean that in a way that's like, oh, I have more money than you. I don't mean that. Not you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not like in general, like for people. Yeah. you do, there is a resentment or the person that does have the funds wants to go do all these things.
Barely Famous
Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 2
And the person that doesn't have the funds is, you know, feeling like they can't say they don't have the funds or they're not having a great time because they can't, you know, keep up with the Joneses. And I don't love that. And I don't ever, I would rather say no to a vacation altogether if I'm not on that same level for that reason.
Barely Famous
Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 2
But some people do though and I think that's where there was – like you and I have done vacations with people. It's just like an uncomfortable thing. Yeah, for both parties, truly. Because once you like keep making it a thing, it becomes draining for the person who's willing to pay for it.
Barely Famous
Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 2
At some point when you realize it, you're like, oh, this is not okay and this is exhausting. Am I buying this friendship? At first you don't mind because you don't realize. Am I paying for this friendship? Right. You're like, am I funding this friendship? I think so. Yeah. Well, I just pay for it in hush money and cars. So when you need a new car, just I guess call me. You've done a lot of things.
Barely Famous
Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 2
Actually, I need a new house. Imagine. Could you see yourself moving out of this house?
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maybe a little too big for the three of us but i mean one day i'll be married so there'll be four people in here that's true that is true um maybe you could build one instead of buying i've thought about it but it's like it's more expensive to do it but i definitely think the thought of moving makes my head spin okay in what ways do you think your differences complement each other
Barely Famous
Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 2
Barely famous. Barely famous. But it's under the killer network. And all three of yours are under killer. No, only two. Coffee Combos, since it's like the original podcast, is not under killer. I'll need to get me more educated.
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Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 2
No, and hot-headed in a way that I get like super flustered. I get super worked up. And I'm like – Calm down.
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Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 2
No, I agree. I had nothing to add to that one. Okay. I don't think. Period.
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Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 2
I don't even have this whole copy anymore. Okay. Here's the thing is – so I do – see, here's where I'm like toxic. I have to – if I love it – You have the means. So why not? I – If I love it, I have to buy the physical copy of it to have on my shelf. I feel that. So like if I read it on – Kindle. I read one that was on Kindle Unlimited.
Barely Famous
Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 2
I don't know if it was on Kindle Unlimited, but it was called Such a Quiet Place by Megan Miranda. Read it. Ate it up in less than 24 hours.
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Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 2
That was my first book. I haven't read any more. Loved it so much that I ordered it on Amazon the next day because I was like, I have to have this on my shelf. So now I'm supporting them on Kindle. But here's the thing that I don't love about Kindle, and maybe if authors have any insight here, I do feel bad because they get like one cent from that purchase.
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Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 2
Yeah. It's weird because like... I'm not going to listen to something that my kids shouldn't be.
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Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 2
So if you buy it on Kindle, they make like two cents.
Barely Famous
Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 2
Okay. But if you read Frida, all of her books are on Kindle unlimited.
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Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 2
I will say this though. Colleen Hoover, if you're listening, I would love to talk to you when Verity becomes a movie. Also Reminders of Him because I told y'all that was my favorite book and so is Verity.
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First of all, the names in Reminders of Him, just the names alone, the character names alone are everything. Ledger, Diem. Kenna. Like these are just like quality memorable names. I read that book last year.
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I read that book last year and I still remember the names. Second to that, Verity is the – that name alone is crazy. That book is insane and if you have a weak stomach, don't fucking read it.
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Did you read it pregnant? No, I waited until after I had the twins. Like I was warned because there's twins in the book. I was warned to not read it until I gave birth, which I waited until I gave birth. And then as soon as I gave birth, I read it and I understand.
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Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 2
No, you have to. That has to be the next book that you read.
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Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 2
Oh, I actually have a book club live this week on that book. Do you?
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Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 2
I'm going to read a lot while you're here.
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Well, I mean, you have a whole week anyway, so if we end up getting... It's like really a small book. I didn't read it, but I set out because I... I've heard so many good things about it. My book club loves it.
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Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 2
That is a cute book cover. I will give books a chance if the cover is ugly, but I also will buy a book because it's nice. Yeah, and then the book sucks.
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Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 2
Oh, Elijah one time was so upset at the cost of a book, an audio book. Because I was like, if you want to read, maybe try listening. And he was just like, I think it was like $17. And he was like, $17? He couldn't understand. So now the running joke in book club is like, don't let Elijah see the price of the book. Yeah. That's a little expensive for an audio book. Why is everything $99?
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Well, I have a special shelf for my collector's edition.
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There are like 600 page books. Yes. There's three of them.
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Did you read Credence? Absolutely not. We can't do smut.
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have sex but those are not like that did you read them one after another yes okay so that's i want to start the addicted series which is like 10 books me too i want to start in january so if you want to start we should try to like buddy read okay i want to that's on my tbr would you ever film a book club episode with me you do this i do this about books only yeah let's do it
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Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 2
period to conclude we talk way too much and sorry if you guys would like another part of or if you have specific questions for sterling and we could do another part to this i will be back in texas in the coming months so i could in theory come back and do a second part to this i loved having you on barely famous and i hope that alessandra will be able to make this one or two cohesive episodes because i don't know where the lines are i'm just saying this was chaotic
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Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 2
Yeah, we don't have to talk about nothing bad.
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Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 2
And she was like, yeah, yeah. No, I was like, I don't think so. I don't want to talk about drama. Understood. We don't have to talk about the drama.
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Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 2
Oh, no, they didn't. So I feel like we did a good job. Thank you for coming on.
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Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 2
We're the best podcasters. Okay. So just to give some context, just to be super clear, I, Alessandra and I went to Sterling's house the day before my surgery or two days before my surgery. And so I, Elijah came to Dallas for two days. His mom watched the babies. He came to Dallas, took care of me for my surgery until Monday. And then he came back home to take care of the babies.
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Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 2
I stayed with Sterling. And then I ended up changing my flight early to come home because I was just ready to be home and I just didn't wanna burden Sterling anymore, but I had so much fun catching up with her. It was the first time I had seen her in two years. She came to my house two Thanksgivings ago, like we were talking about in the episode.
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Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 2
And it was just really nice to have, honestly, to reconnect with my friend without my kids, because her kids are older now, right? So it was just nice to like reconnect for a little while. I did do a post on Instagram asking what questions you had about my procedure. And I know some people were a little bit confused about what I got.
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Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 2
Oh, my God. Okay. At the same time. No. Okay. We were filming for Teen Mom. Yes, we were filming. Larry and Larry, they were both there.
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Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 2
originally planned just for the breast reduction, but ended up getting a revision on my tummy tuck scar so that it would be just as low as my C-section incision. That being said, I was not fully prepared or aware that it would be a bigger scar than my original one. My original tummy tuck scar went from like
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Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 2
hip bone to hip bone, like the pelvis bone, you know, the ones that like stuck out when you wore the jeans in the early 2000s, the low rise jeans in the early 2000s, it was like, that's where it was. Now it more so wraps around more like a full lower body lift than a tummy tuck, in my opinion, that's not what he called it. But that's what it looks like, in my opinion. And so
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I don't necessarily think I was prepared for that. So some of the questions that you guys had for me, planning on getting it done too, is there any skin that sags? I'm not sure if you mean for the reduction or for the tummy tuck or slash revision. I have no skin that sags whatsoever on me. I just want to clarify too, for anyone that's looking to get a tummy tuck or lipo or reduction,
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When you get a tummy tuck, whether it is a revision or your first time, lipo is automatically included in that because in order to give you the results that you need with the tummy tuck, they have to do lipo. It's not like, oh, you're getting a tummy tuck and lipo. It's like you're getting a tummy tuck, but the lipo is all automatically included and they probably won't tell you that.
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So that's just that. In terms of loose skin, skin that sags, don't have any anywhere, not in my reduction, not in my revision, nowhere. How affordable was your surgery and the pain level? I paid $20,000 for... Tummy tuck revisions. I don't even know what to call it. Like I keep calling it a tummy tuck revision. It's not a tummy tuck revision. I guess it was.
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Oh, yeah. So I had this producer, Tony. We loved him. Yeah, we loved him. He was a producer for several years before I got a new producer. So we're walking down the street. This is like, you guys know what episode this is where I'm fighting with my ex over the phone. I'm a horrible mom. This was the Grammys. Yeah, it was. Yeah. This was the Grammys trip. Oh.
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It was a tummy tuck revision because I had a tummy tuck after two kids, but then I had five more children. It caused my muscles to separate above my belly button. So there was a bulge above my belly button. He revised it. And then he also revised the scars from my previous tummy tuck with my C-section tummy tuck. So I guess it was like a full revision. Okay.
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So I don't know if that answers your question, but the pain level breast reduction was not bad at all. Um, I do have a little bit of pain on the side boob area. But that was more so from the light. It's more so from the lipo 360 than it is from the reduction. I've had virtually no pain from the reduction itself.
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The most pain that I've had is not from the revision of the tummy tuck or anything related to the breast reduction is solely liposuction has sucked the life out of me. So that's that. How bad is scarring? Well, I will say that I think all the scars related to the reduction and the tummy tuck revision are very, very thin.
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So they're a lot thinner than any scars that I've had previously for pretty much anything. Um, there's no real liposuction scars outside of like, if you have a chicken pox scar, it might look like that depending on your skin type. Um, so the, the scarring isn't bad. I also won't be able to see any of them. So in a bathing suit and a thong and underwear, my tummy tuck revision scar will be covered.
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I'm not entirely sure about how the scarring will look with the reduction because with the reduction comes a lift and So I do have that anchor lollipop situation. I'll have to circle back on that. Um, how bad it scars or if you can even tell, I typically knock on wood. Um, I scar really well. So hopefully it will be pretty light.
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I also got these silicone, I call them band-aids like silicone patches. I don't know for all of the scars, my tummy tuck scar and my scars from my breast reduction and they go around the nipple, they go down the line to your under boob and then that full anchor underneath to keep them flat and as seamless as possible. Talk about pain level and restrictions.
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Pain level for liposuction is off the charts. It's the worst thing I've ever felt in my entire life. And restrictions are you, I cannot lift anything more than 10 pounds for six weeks. And that includes my babies, like my small children. You also have to sleep on your back or sitting up in a recliner for six weeks as well. So it sounds good in theory, like it might not hurt to lay on your side.
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For me, I can't even try to lay on my side because even when I do, I'm in so much pain, but also I think for purposes of breast reduction, or if you do like an implant or something. I think there's also like implications, I guess is the word. If you were to lay on your side, I don't know if it would change the pockets or distort your results. I don't really know. So I go by the books.
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When I get any medical procedures or if I go on medication, I go exactly by the books. Laying on your back flat or in a recliner for six weeks and nothing over 10 pounds. What have you all done to your face and where do you get disport? I've posted where I get disport before on my Instagram. So you have to go look through my highlights to see that.
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Um, I actually have not really done much to my face outside of just pour. I did do, um, filler in my cheekbones one time, but it's not really for me. And I don't like the sound of it. Cause it makes this like really weird squirting sound. And I absolutely hate it. It makes me cringe. Um, I've done my lips before. I don't have them done currently. I had them done about a year ago.
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Um, and I don't really touch my face. I also have veneers on my teeth, but they're laying on top of my regular teeth. So they were not shaved down at all. And unfortunately I was not able to get liposuction done to my chin this time because he said that it is all skin. So there's nothing to suck out of it.
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It would probably need something like a lower facelift or to have the skin like tucked under my chin basically. So I really don't touch my face. Okay, I did do three consultations with different doctors. The pricing is very different. One of the doctors quoted me $40,000 and including a mesh, like, bra to keep my boobs up. Out of the three consultations, two, here's the thing.
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One of them suggested, yes, I needed it. And then two of them suggested enough. They didn't mention any mesh like corset or bra situation. When I went to go see the doctor for my pre-op for this procedure, he did suggest it in person that I don't recall. I'm not saying he didn't mention it on the call, but I don't remember him mentioning it on
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our consultation, the price points were very, um, two of them were very similar. And then one of them was $40,000. I obviously opted to not go to that doctor. Why didn't I go to Dr. Miami again? No, honestly, there's no real reason. I think I know from experience what Dr. Miami's schedule was like.
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And I think that it was not, I didn't ask, but my assumption was based on my last experience was that there was going to be no availability for when I was looking to get it. And I actually wanted to get it when I could, because I didn't have my four older kids for over two weeks. So that was primarily my first decision-making situation was like, what doctor do I like?
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And then secondly, what is their availability? Did insurance cover it? No. I did have documentation for needing a reduction.
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couple times but I did not opt for insurance I think insurance ended up because I went to a consultation with Dr. Obeng in LA before too so I guess that's four consultations and he did run it through my insurance back at that time but then I ended up not getting any procedures done so I like postponed and then I just kept postponing thankfully I waited because now I'm officially done with kids and at that time I think I had less children as well I did go through insurance that time
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And I cannot remember if it was denied or if it was that they only covered like a really small percentage of it. I just want to know how long the recovery is and how you're feeling. So as of this recording, I'm two weeks, a little over two weeks post-op. And when I'm sitting down for a long time, I do have a hard time standing up straight when I get up to walk and I walk a little bit slower.
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It is very difficult still two weeks later to get in and out of my car. but I do have to drive. I'm no longer on any pain meds. Sometimes I take ibuprofen as needed, but I'm not on any muscle relaxers. I'm not on narcotics. I'm not, I do take Arnica. That's a personal choice. Arnica is for like bruising, swelling, that sort of thing. How long is, I mean, I don't know. I think it varies by person.
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I will say that My incision itself does not hurt at all. I did lose feeling in my stomach from my belly button down to the top of my vagina in 2016 after my first tummy tuck. So I have no feeling there at all. So I think that's why I also don't feel my incision. The lipo is by far the worst. Worst, worst, worst part. Um, how many sizes did you go down?
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I went for, I went from, but anywhere between a 36 and a 40 triple D. And I only say that because my back size obviously grows and shrinks with my weight loss and it fluctuates so much that as you guys know, that's your back size. And then the cup size fluctuates. was, has remained pretty consistently a triple D and I went down to a small slash full C. I'm a 54 triple D. How bad is the pain?
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Honestly, oh, sensation in my nipples. And do you lose any sensation in your nipples? Yes. Right off the bat, I lost it, but it is starting to come back. That is not the case for everyone. And that goes for a regular boob job without a lift. And I think it's just in general, depending on your body. So you can't really make your decision based on someone else's.
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I know someone that has a boob job, no lift, no reduction, no nothing, just a regular boob job with implants. That is it. And she lost all sensation in her nipples and that was over 10 years ago. So you can't really... One size doesn't fit all here. That's really all the questions that there is. What is a lip flip? That's with dysport. That's completely separate than surgery. Did you get drains?
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If so, are they uncomfortable and scary? How is the removal? I had one drain and it was on the left side of my revised tummy tuck incision. And I lost all feeling from my belly button down to the top of my vagina. Not top of my vagina, my pelvic bone, my pubic bone. Um, and so when they pulled the drains out, I didn't even feel it.
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I actually think we might have a video of it and Alessandra can edit that or something. I don't know. Cause I think I took a video of that. It does not hurt just the one drain and they basically make the decision on when to pull it out based on how much fluid is collecting in your drain. So you have to, I think by my post-op appointment, my drain had like less than 15, I think it's MLs in it.
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And so they were able to take it out, but it's not scary. It doesn't hurt. It doesn't bother. They clip it onto your clothing. And so in those first few days post-op, you're pretty down and out of it from the meds. So you won't even be affected at all. And then... Last one, who did your lip lift? I never had a lip, I never in my life had a lip lift. I don't even know what that is.
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Your surgery before Christmas or after Christmas? I did my surgery on December 21st. It was a Saturday and I paid extra for that. And that's really it. Do I love my results? I don't know because I'm still swollen. You'll swell from three to six months post-op. By six months, you're pretty much at your new baseline.
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So I'm still really swollen and I literally wearing a bra puts an indent where my ribs are because of the swelling. So I take my bra off sometimes to just like let it like go back to normal. Outside of that, if you have any other questions, I'll probably be posting a ton of stuff on TikTok. I'm an open book about it.
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Make sure you have a support system in place because this time around was so emotional mentally for me. It was very lonely in my thoughts, just about like the body dysmorphia in general, but also about depression. It's lonely because nobody can understand the pain that I'm going through. Nobody can understand the looking at my body and seeing it mutilated before the results are finished.
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Nobody can understand how hard it is to shower and how humbling it is to shower that first two weeks after your surgery. Like, I mean, it was rough. Elijah actually took a video of me directly after surgery. I think it was like the next day. I don't even remember. And I was so out of it and just like completely emotional, but he was like, what do you want for breakfast?
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And I was like, I don't remember what I said. And I was like, make sure you order the boys breakfast. First of all, they weren't even there. So like, you're going to feel all kinds of shit that like you don't even expect or whatever. Like it is truly, especially the older you get, the more kids you have. I think also plays a factor. So I just want to prepare you mentally.
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I did have lymphatic massages done after my procedure. And the woman that did my lymphatic massages in Dallas literally told me she had a patient. She didn't tell me who obviously HIPAA violation. She told me she had a patient that went on suicide watch because of how traumatic and lonely, obviously not for everybody, but sometimes, you know, it just,
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literally opens the floodgates for a lot of different feelings. And I did not have that experience the first time I got a mommy makeover in 2016. I will say that those 10 days post-op while I was still in Miami, I was very, very emotional. But by the time I got home, I was fine. Like I didn't even think twice about my surgery. This time around, I have cried at least every other day.
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And I'm two weeks post-op and I've been home since before I was supposed to come home. So I will say if you're traveling out of the state, they do recommend 10 days wherever that is. So when I was in Miami, they recommended 10 days. When I went to Dallas, they recommended 10 days because you should go to your post-op appointment.
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And also just like the blood clots and being able to move around, that's like a big part of it is you have to move around even if you don't want to, if you're sore. And I will say that getting up from any position, whether it's laying down or sitting down can be a little bit difficult two weeks post-op and it's still hard.
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No, flat out. She would be like, I'm not doing that. Like, I'm not asking.
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And then it's suggested that you wear your compression garments for as long as you can tolerate. I think it's for blood clots, not entirely sure, but that's all I have really. And if you guys have any other questions, let me know.
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But that's how it was. Okay. So we're in California for the Grammys fighting with my ex over the phone, whatever. We're leaving this restaurant. We actually saw Emma Roberts at that restaurant. We sure did. She was sitting next to us and she's on the phone and she's like, I don't know what they're filming. Like talking about shit. She probably doesn't remember that. So, I mean, hey, Emma.
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Hey, girl. So we're walking down the street and these trees on the street or whatever, it was like, you know, semen has a smell. It does. It does, right? It has a smell. We're walking down the street and we have mics on and we're like, oh my God, do you smell that? That literally smells. Our face goes and looked. We made eye contact.
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She said that on the mics. And then Larry and Tony were so upset. They were like, could not... Did not want to have this conversation with us. But we were like, why does it smell like that? I was like, you know, you know what that smells like.
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Why does it smell like semen outside? And it says, some trees release chemicals that can... Make the air smell like semen. So we weren't crazy. No, we weren't crazy. But people were calling me crazy because I've talked about it like sparingly throughout my life since then. I will never forget that moment. Have you smelled it since then?
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I smell semen pretty often. Well, I mean. It also, if you let someone not pull out, you will smell like a dead body. I'm sorry, what?
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If you have sex with someone and they don't pull out. It smells horrible. No, you like hours later, if you're not, even if you shower and it's still kind of dripping out or whatever, you'll smell like a dead body. Oh, I can't even. We're all celibate here. No, I am.
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But if you've already listened and you're back for part two, I hope you love this one just as much. Switching gears, changing gears. Also, we have matching cars now. We do. And matching tattoos. And matching.
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Like you wouldn't – what if you met someone that you wanted to have a child with?
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So Becky and I recorded a couple weeks ago about Christmas and she said that her Christmases changed pretty quickly. So like she was used to it a certain way and then it just stopped because her siblings are so much older than her. But she – basically was robbed of those same Christmas memories because of the age gap and how it all played out. No, I literally cry. I've cried about that.
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Because I don't think it's – it wasn't intentional. I think it just happened that way.
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That is such a lie. No, it's not. What? That is not a lie. After Lux was born, I was like, oh my God, I smell so bad. I really think it's like the pregnancy hormones. And you were like, Kale, you always smell like that. And I like cried to bone and quay about it.
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We also got our nipples pierced in 2016. That was an incredible year.
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I will say at that time, Lux was a newborn. So I probably did always smell like that. And so it was like hormones like rebalancing because I don't think I stink and I am very self-aware. No, you never stink.
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No, no, no. We were insane. I had five boyfriends that year.
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No, I truly have. Sorry. That is the reason why I am self-aware the way I am today. about my smell. Okay, repeat the question again. But that is not, I answered the question incorrectly.
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Wait, wait, wait. You'll never guess what picture that Kristen just sent me. What? Remember how you just said that we got our nipples pierced in 2016? She got her nipples pierced. Can you imagine Kristen? She sent me mine.
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I was literally in the parking lot while you went and got that done. So these were my, my boobs were really nice.
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I had several. Actually, when we got these tattoos, my very first boyfriend ever came to the shop, to the tattoo shop. Terrell. Oh my gosh, he did. I forgot about that. Did you know that was my first tattoo? Yes.
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three times that year yeah like in within a year yeah oh my gosh we could talk for hours okay what does she need advice about okay what do i need okay what what do i need advice about brutally honest advice about i don't think you need any really i'm perfect No, I feel like you're very level-headed and reasonable. It's the same way I would never offer my advice to Alessandra.
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Y'all are very, very level-headed. Y'all don't need brutally honest advice at all. I can't think of a time where you did. I think I could disagree. I think ours is the same.
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I always smell myself. And then when I'm on the toilet, I'll do this. Yeah, because I need to know. I need to know what I smell like. Elijah will be like, did you just smell yourself? And he acts like it's brand new every single time. And I'm like, you've seen me do this 700 times. A day. Why are you asking me if I just did that? I sure did.
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I'm never going to be in a position again where I need someone to tell me that I stink.
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Alessandra had them in the car for me because I was like, I need a wipe. And she's like, here.
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cherish about the friendship. You're like a sister to me and you're honest with me every time. No matter if my feelings are going to be hurt, you're going to be honest.
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He actually just started a podcast of his own where he's tattooing for the podcast. Like that's the podcast is people – because they're like therapists. You know when you go get your hair done, your hairstylist is your therapist, right? But same way with tattoos. Yeah. So his whole like idea for the – I was like, Paul, you shouldn't be paying for a podcast.
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Yeah. I also love that we pick up where we left off every time. So I could literally not physically see you for two years or three years, but I know at any given point I could call you. Yeah. About anything.
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Do you remember when the kids got into the dinosaur digging kit with all the – Yes. It's like the fake concrete situation. Yep. And you're like, Tylee, did you get into – did you do that? And she was like, no. And it was everywhere. It was – like she's a terrible liar. Terrible liar. Lincoln got into chocolate and I was like, did you eat some chocolate? And he's like, no.
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He'd go, what the foot? What the foot? What the foot? And we would just be like, what did you say? Just to hear him say it again.
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Me, you want to kiss her? So he had cuteness aggression. He did. Me, you want to kiss her? He would walk up to her and go... We probably have a video somewhere. I do. Do you want to kiss her? I want to kiss her. Oh, my God. He had cute. And I have that with him to this day. I'm like, oh, I want to pinch you. And he's like, mom.
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Welcome to the shit show. Things are going to get weird. It's your fave villain, Kale Lowry. And you're listening to Barely Famous. Happy Friday. Welcome to another episode of Barely Famous Podcast. We have Rico Hundo back on site.
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is the whole bigger picture but you don't think some of these these ideologies and your your outlook is very outdated and very misogynistic for what used to be where the men the men hold you know the they work they provide they do x y and z for their families and their wives like you remind me of someone who expects a woman to stay in the kitchen
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and to keep their mouth shut, and to not cheat, and to honor their word even though you're not honoring yours.
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No, we're not married yet. Your partner, if she made more money than you and she was the breadwinner and the sole provider and all of those things, you would be 100% okay with that?
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Some of the things you say also suggest that you suggest that. Like you said, a girl who has a thousand followers or less and she's an eight is like finding the Virgin Mary, right? Like, What you're saying, I don't think necessarily aligns.
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So someone like me is what, not worthy?
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I don't want to be with you.
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But I'm asking you based on what you're saying. So what's an eight to you?
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I don't know. What did you mean by that?
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Okay. It does, as you and I know that.
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Did you get paid for Game of Clones? I never asked you that.
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For those of you guys who are new here, Rico and I did a dating show together and he was the one that I like picked or whatever. It's like the winner. I just didn't know.
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remember that now my girl could go through my phone oh my god it's all about compromise i think that was like seven ish years ago six years ago so you made this much progress like that's a lot it's moving the needle i wish i had a shock collar here and i'd wrap it around his neck next time you come on this podcast i'm bringing the shock collar i So first, let me ask you this.
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What was the deciding factor for you and your girlfriend to stay together after you came clean about all of your cheating?
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But you had control over that. You could have pulled out.
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That's why you got away with it for so long.
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So what was the turning point for you to agree to those as a compromise? What changed in you that you were like, okay, I'm willing to do those things now versus in the beginning?
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But you didn't follow the agreement right off the bat.
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Without her, you mean? Anybody.
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Okay, so how do you teach your daughter this now when it took you having her and her being almost four years old for you to come to these realizations? How do you balance that and how will you teach your daughter? Would you want your daughter to date someone like you?
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But that doesn't justify or like have anything to do with cheating.
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But you're not going to pull out.
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To this day, you want two wives?
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No. Why not? So she is... You are placing all of the blame on her for getting pregnant, basically, and keeping the baby when you had the ability to... Get a vasectomy, use condoms, pull out.
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Because a man of their word does not simply act out of spite simply because someone else didn't follow their word. And when you have integrity and morals, regardless of how people treat you, you are still going to be the person that you've always been, which is you claim to be a man of your word. So regardless of what people do to you, you should still be that person.
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She robbed me too. No, you robbed yourself.
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Here's the thing though. You don't know how you are going to react to something or how your feelings will change until you are physically put in that position, right? So my ex and I, I've talked to you about him before. We had those conversations in the beginning of our relationship where we talked about having kids.
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And he said, when I turn this year, I don't know how old, 27, whatever it was at the time, we can talk about kids. Okay, well, he also had the choice and the ability to pull out. He didn't. We got pregnant, took plan B, still ended up pregnant. To me, I didn't know how we were gonna handle it. Neither one of us knew how we were gonna handle that situation until we were physically in it, right?
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So she could have said, okay, you know, I'll take a plan B. And then she realized once she was already pregnant or once you guys already had sex, I don't know if I would want, I maybe want this baby. Like I maybe want a life with you. And so her feelings changed just like that. And so I think that there is a difference between saying you're going to do something and holding your word and then
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something actually happening where you're put in that position is very different. It's not like me saying, Rico, we're going to start a business together. And now you have my word that we're going to start this business together. It's like, there's a life being created here. So it's a life altering thing. The business that we said we were going to start is not life altering.
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Let me just tell you something. As a woman... I do not want someone to nut in me because it smells like dead bodies after a couple hours. So you are not, nobody's nutting in me, right? Like, well, I mean, that didn't work out for me very well, did it? But that was all in committed relationships.
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The mentality that you have, and I just can't understand it. I don't understand your ideas. I don't understand your mentality. I don't understand your thought process. I understand absolutely nothing.
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No, I agree. But like, I don't know how you get to some of your conclusions. But I don't use logic.
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But I just what do you mean without burden?
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There's always going to be temptation. But like I said, monogamy in the relationship, but not in your lifetime.
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What the fuck are you talking about?
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So let's, you have to know as a man, like as a woman, I know who my, like my person is. Right. So I think at the point that I was with someone that was a serial cheater all the time, right? Like I wanted him to pick me so bad. So I stayed right. I realize now, years later, that that was just who he was that was in his nature.
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Correct. I think there are men who cannot cheat. I'm not saying that there's not temptation. I'm not saying that they don't think about
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cheating but the difference between thinking about it and action I think are very different you have a choice leading up to that do you want to throw away your entire life for a five minute fuck I can't say that I think that's something that men really think about and the real men that have spines are going to say, this isn't worth throwing away my entire life. And it could go for women as well.
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But what I'm saying is if I am newly in a relationship and that is the plan for us to not get pregnant, I'm not letting him nut in me either.
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Right, because I was the abusee turned into the abuser, right? So that relationship with him around the time that we filmed that show together was, he was just cheating on me, right? So my next ex was a woman and I did what he did to me. I turned around and I did it to her and fucked her up, right? Like not great.
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So I think that there is a cycle that could be said, but I knew every single time I cheated on her, I knew that I was not meant to be with her. But then the next ex I know could have been my person.
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Yeah, she caught me every time.
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And the problem is... But what does that have to do with cheating? You think cheating should be a part of adversities? Because I just don't agree.
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If you cheat more than once, you're a serial cheater. With the same person. I don't think that once a cheater, always a cheater. I don't.
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I think that you could cheat and realize what you lost and never cheat again. I think that there are families and couples that can overcome cheating and you can get through it depending on the circumstances. If if and it's not for me to really judge, but if I was your girlfriend, I would not have been able to come back from that. That's not something that I would because you did it more than once.
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No, because you kept doing it.
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How many times? Roughly more than five.
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I just can't. I don't understand it.
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What? You said that you do not show loyalty to anyone.
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Yeah. I have the quote. You said you don't show anyone love until they show you loyalty. What makes you think that anyone owes you loyalty?
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So this is in terms of a relationship or this is in terms of friendship or.
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So how does one show you love and loyalty?
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Like when you're say you enter. Oh, like you and your friend right here.
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But why do you think that someone should owe that to you, like owes that to you right away?
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And so in terms of your relationship, you did not get the loyalty or you did not get the in order for you to love her and accept, you know, the compromises that you were presented with. You needed the love from her or sorry, you needed the loyalty from her, but you didn't feel like you had that.
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You've mentioned before on the podcast and also here today that you were raised by a single mom. Did you witness her being hurt by men and how has that shaped your, one, your relationship with her, but two, your ideologies today?
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Emotionally, you never saw her cry over a man? No.
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So what you're saying is... Huh?
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What does she think about all of the things that you say?
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I didn't say she didn't love you. I said, what does she think about the things that you say?
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Because we want the choice to... The power of choice, right? And the respect, right? But if I have the choice and I know right off the bat I'm allowed to... I can make the choice whether I want to stay and be a part of this and shut the fuck up or...
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So she doesn't necessarily agree with what you do, but she is, she's supporting you being honest about what your thoughts are and what you expect.
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What's your relationship like with your dad? I feel like you told me. I don't remember. What is the relationship with your dad? Do you have a dad?
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I remember you telling me that.
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Have you ever called him dad?
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You've always called him by his name?
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Do you and your former stepdad and your brother share these same ideologies?
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Oh, for sure. Does that include financial infidelity or just like cheating?
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I don't have resistance to the truth. I think that cheating, especially like we're talking 10-year marriages, 20-year relationships, there is going to be infidelity, right? Like you can't expect someone to go 20 years without cheating. And if you think that you can, you're a liar.
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Maybe five, depending on what the situation is. Two, for me, I don't know. I feel like that you should still be in that very new phase of the relationship that you're still building. So for me, cheating within the first two years, I think is crazy.
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Yeah, that's where like the, is that the milkman's daughter came from?
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I think the way that women tolerated and put up with cheating before, and it was easier to turn a blind eye to cheating before, was because we solely relied on men to be the providers and to be the producers of the home. And so we had to turn a blind eye. We didn't have a choice. Where today... I've made more money than all my exes combined. So I don't need you for any reason.
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And if you can't help me around the house, I'm going to hire someone who can. So to me, why should I tolerate that when there is that 3% or 30% that would be faithful? Yeah, the pool is smaller and the time that I get to it might be long, but I'm willing to wait.
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Well, that's part of the reason I don't date anybody with children because they're bound to cheat.
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Really? One. Knowing that there is an opportunity for her to go back to, because I personally have never experienced a man who has, every single one of my kids' dads has cheated on their significant other with me. Whether we knew it at the time or not, they cheated with me. So for me going into a new relationship, whether it's a woman or a man, if they have kids, I'm not interested.
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I won't even look, like actually will not even be immediate turn off, not because of the kids, love the kids, but I do not, I have no interest.
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No, no, no. I don't think you're – so my exes, right? We break up.
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They have a new relationship.
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And they cheat on their new relationship with me.
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Because you... Because I'm going back to them, you're saying.
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Tracking, tracking, tracking.
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Why do men cheat with ugly girls?
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So she was just going to do it.
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The one that you cheated with or your girlfriend?
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My first question is, why was the choice solely on her to decide whether she was going to take the morning after pill or not? Why wasn't it on you to say, I am going to pull out or I'm going to use condoms? Because we all know that you guys don't like to do that. But why not just put the future in your own hands? You could have prevented that your own self.
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You knew it was, the jig was up.
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And you're like, oh, shit, I fucked her.
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The times that I have cheated in my life, I think that I was not, I was with people who were not meeting my needs emotionally. So I was finding that emotional connection somewhere else. So I think for women, we're emotional cheaters, emotional just by nature. But for men, I would say, yeah, I would agree that They more think with their dicks and they don't have those feelings for the women.
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Like you just said, you could have sex with her and completely forget about it.
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I'd be curious to ask your girlfriend if that was why she was able to move on from it because it didn't mean anything versus had you had like an emotional like connection to someone that was like ongoing, would she have been able to forgive?
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Barely Famous Podcast. All right. Before we started recording, I asked you how your daughter was. We have children roughly around the same age. You came on the podcast before, I think, when she was like a newborn.
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But you were willing to be patient with her while she sort of worked through that?
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Because I think you know, I've talked to people who have gone through infidelity and, you know, like I said, I've been on both sides of it. I think that when you're in a relationship and you choose to take someone back after a cheating scandal or an affair or whatever, it'll come up at the dinner table when you're with your friends and it'll come up in movies and it'll come up in shows.
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And so every single time that happens, you have to reassure your partner. If you're choosing to work through it, you have to choose
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to comfort them in that moment and not get mad because i think that a lot of times like with my ex for example you know he was cheating and then he'd get mad at me for being upset a week later and it's like you didn't even give me time to like get through this and so i would like bring up all the emotions if i saw it on a show or a movie or whatever and he'd be like i can't keep doing this and you literally are giving me a week well even if like for me it was like two years
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Right. And so now you you're wanting the nuclear family. You want to stay together. You want to raise your kids together. You want to do all the things together because you don't want to see your kids in a household without you.
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Without. OK, without both of you.
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At the point that you are not happy in the relationship, do you think it's still important to work it out with her so that you guys can be a nuclear family? Or do you think at that point you would remove yourself and allow another man to come forward and have a semi-nuclear family where there is still a male role model in the house? Because look how you turned out.
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But in order to be a great dad, you have to be a great partner.
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Yes, but what are you teaching your kids by doing that?
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Right. It's all about perspective.
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Same can be said for little boys, though, too.
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I agree. And I've said that like when I had my daughter, I had twins, boy-girl twins. So when I had my daughter, they were both in the NICU. But when I – obviously, we know it can happen to a boy. But like when I looked at my daughter, I just felt different because I think they're targeted in a different way. They are looked at as more vulnerable than boys. Not saying it can't happen to boys.
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But I was just like if someone was to do something to my daughter, like – I just don't even know.
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I mean, same for my sons. But I just think that we, as a society, we look at men meant to be stronger. You know, they might be able to fight it off. They might be able to, you know, get out of the situation where we look at little girls and we think that they can't.
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So you have like a teenage daughter.
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We hear about it more. Not saying it never happened before.
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I'm actually shocked that you're a stepdad.
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You don't strike me as someone who – the way that you talk about certain things, you make it seem like you – Would rather jump out of a window than be with someone who has a child by another man. I might have even said that in the past. You probably have.
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And like basically a mom that has a man with another child is scum of the earth.
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So you think that your girlfriend was a good mom before you came into the picture? You had a chance to see her as a mother?
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So when you entered into this relationship with her and you made it permanent, you were official with her two months prior to the pregnancy. By doing that, you gave her your word that you were going to be faithful and then did not follow through with that. So what does that say about you?
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Dropping your kids off and not being supportive?
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like there are some parents who would drop their kids off and just leave and come back and pick them up to do what like at the kid at the sports i'm saying oh okay okay so you're saying sports okay because i'm just thinking like working parents like for work well that's different okay yeah if they're working that's right but there's some parents that don't even go to the games no i know that to me doesn't make like but i also came from a nobody ever came to my games do you know what i mean so i parent the way that i wasn't parented but i do agree like when i hear stories and they're
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Like, oh, my parents didn't come to my games. I'm like, but you live in a two-parent household. I can't wrap my head around it. So I agree with you on that. Okay. I'm tracking.
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Right. If you're lacking here, you're likely to be lacking somewhere else.
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Right. Okay. I see what you're saying.
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Well, thank you for coming on barely famous podcast.
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I will be curious to see how people react to this.
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You didn't bring any for me, so we're not promoting that.
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What are your Instagram, TikTok, whatever, wherever people can find you?
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Go educate him. Leave all the comments combating misogyny in his comments.
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I think you had just had her. Yeah. And I asked you if you were in a relationship then. You said yes. And then I just asked you now if you're still with her and you said yes.
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You told her you cheated on her?
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I asked you, did you tell her you cheated on her?
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Five years. Yeah. And you're committed. You're not cheating on her.
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You let her go through your phones.
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You had cheated on her multiple times and you didn't come clean about it for years. Can you, can you walk me through from a man's perspective, the decision-making behind one cheating on her and two not telling her for years? Well, can you love someone and still cheat on them?
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And how did that work out for you?
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That's what my ex used to do to me. So I recognize that. But I was the one that never broke up. She would break up with me. Because you were doing dog shit.
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Would you have cheated anyway?
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You would have thought about it? Of course. Walk me through that. This woman.
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No, but I have been, I have been on both.
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I have been on both sides, right? I've been a cheater and I've been cheated on. And every single time that I have cheated in my lifetime, which is not very often, I knew it was wrong in the pit of my stomach, okay? The entire act that ensued, I knew it was wrong. I did it anyway.
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And that was my realization every single time that I knew that person was not for me because I was capable of cheating on them.
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I think I just have morals as a human being.
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You didn't want kids though, right? At first?
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Because you're saying that they're not meant to be monogamous.
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I agree with that. And I always have. But I feel like monogamy in your lifetime versus monogamy with the person that you are committed to are two very different things. So when I enter a relationship, There is an expectation that we are going to be monogamous with each other. But in my lifetime, I'm not monogamous. I'm not a monogamous human being. I've been with multiple people.
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That to me is true. But I feel like that's also the societal standard, right? So while you were cheating on her, did you feel bad?
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We are. And you have a daughter, so you should know that.
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Where do you get some of your ideations and your misogynist outlook on life? Where does it come from?
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My dad likes to stay behind the cameras. He likes to check on the lighting. If anything breaks, he's there to fix it. So I call him Dewey instead of dad. So we just call him Dewey because he has these Dewey skills. So Dewey is your dad? Yes. His name's Todd.
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That is dad. Got it.
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Yeah, he's very supportive. He just likes to stay in the background. Okay, got it. And if anything needs to be fixed, he knows how to sew. He would braid our hair growing up. Like he's a Dewey. He's got the Dewey skills.
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Yeah. And, like, right now, he's home taking care of the six chihuahuas.
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Yeah. So far. I know. They interrupted. We've got a lot of them. They interrupted with, like, the sound guy. So, like, we had to, like, you know, the little feet. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, we had to, like, put them away for a lot of the show.
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So we actually started filming in April of 2023. Last year. Right?
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It is a little bit of both of us, but I definitely get the final say.
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Well, I make sure it's all, like, done to a T-perfect. Yes. So she's like, okay. I'm texting Johnny. I'm like, send me the background of the event, like, so I know, like, the aesthetic. I know what we're going for. Oh, you're in-depth. It's in-depth. No, we usually try to match the background. Like, we make sure. I actually love that. And we bring backup outfits.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
We never dress not matching, and so it has to be matching to a tee, even the earrings, the necklace, the boots, everything. The only difference is she's a little taller than me, so if something's a little too long on me, I'm like, it's not going to work. Either I have to pin it up, or we've got to wear something different.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
The brands love it because it's like you get two generations with the both of us. And usually the moms are the ones.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
You want to buy Matchings?
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
But it's actually, today's actually a very big day because one year ago today, we were announced as the cast on Smothered.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
fortune I go to Marshalls and TJ Maxx even if it was a $9.99 you know with the little socks I love the ruffle socks yes always always in the little you know the little shoes and now we're just upset like we're obsessed with matching each other but like we're obsessed with like the whole look being like matched like I have this swimsuit line it's literally a bikini and then it has a matching headband and I literally want to pass away every time I wear it because it's just that good like I just I don't know anything that makes me more happy
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
The matchings that we bought last week when we were in New York. The matchings. Yeah. No, we were here in New York last week. The matchings that we found. And she loved these. Absolutely.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
And we also met someone in LA and he literally said to us, cause like we're obviously one, one, two, he goes, the, the outfit is the third person. And we were like, genius, genius. The outfit's the third person. You need the matchings at all times. Yes. You love the matchings. You love that word.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
Yeah, well, they always did. You know, for Christmas, matching PJs, just wait. Like, I'll make a TikTok with them with the matching PJs for Christmas.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
The mama. Let's give credit where credit's due. Yep. Yeah. This was all my mom's doing, and I looked up the show. I had never seen it before, and I was concerned.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
You need to buy matches. You need to go to the store. Yes. And then it's funny because like we'll be walking down the street and people will look at me and then look away and then they'll look at her and they'll just be so.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
confused like did i see the same person just say like what did i just see twins and of course mommy loves that i'm like loves it literally you know we just had a guy he was going down the s letter he's like he's like oh sisters sisters he's like wow and then he got to the bottom he's like is that a mom nope that's no she says i'm obsessed with this i'm obsessed with it no valley is not ready my daughter's name is valley she's not ready when i get home
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
Yeah, I mean, ever since, like, it came out on the show, like, going out in our hometown's been a little odd because it's like, you know, it's a small town. You also have a pink Jeep, so you don't blend in. It's not giving small town vibes, I know. So it's odd.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
Oh, for sure. Okay. It's the only color.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
she wants to be in the car with me yeah no i mean i would get a matching car but then if i get a matching car for her no she wants to be closer no because then we'd be in separate cars so y'all drive together yes yes i mean when we go to work her favorite color is actually white yeah she loves everything white so like the house is white she has a white car but i made us paint the front door pink
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
I am definitely smothered for sure. So we definitely fit the show like perfectly to a T, but before the people on it were weird. They were concerning. They were concerning. I've definitely seen other casts and I was like, okay, if, okay.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
It was actually green, yeah. It was very iconic green. Now it's pink.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
yeah we're working on we're actually doing a lot i really hope in the future maybe in maybe on tv we'll see um i would really love the garage doors pink next we have three garage doors to be so good i want to do the whole house pink but we have like we have siding and so my dad what if we take off the siding off we have it painted with cement and then we paint it pink that's too big of a project dewey is like he would do it but that's too big of a project but
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
um i can oh shoot i remember and how could it help society oh my goodness um so i learned that philanthropy is like it's like helping people right yes yeah it's like charity endeavors your your animal rescues your animal givebacks those are uh philanthropic so much
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
Why don't you just call it charity events?
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
We would definitely do it again. We love, love, love filming. And I'm a content creator on social media, so it's basically the whole thing. But seeing it in such a big scale with the production, we love the producers. Love them. We love the cast, the crew. It was just so fun.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
Because when we do the confessionals, like, the producer obviously, like, stood next to the camera and, like, would ask us all the questions. And so it'd be, like, a therapy session with, like, the sisters. And they obviously are forced to sit there and, like, answer the questions. And it was so funny. The talks got funny.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
I mean, the sisters love home movies, but they're like, oh, this is a lot of work. I'm like, guys.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
Correct. People think, oh, we don't even use their real names. We just say the sisters. No, no, no. They have names, but we're all the sisters.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
We'll talk later.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
We actually joke that she's going to hold my kids because like I have abs. She doesn't want to have them. So I'm like, I'll take them. Isn't that disgusting? I'll carry them. Having another human being inside of you. It's weird. That's weird.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
Poor Dewey. What? No. Dewey cooks. He makes really good dinner. I always cooked for all these years.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
Yeah. I mean, they're in school. Okay.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
And then my little sister's 19. So there's five years in between us. And me and my older sister are 16 months apart.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
He works a lot. Whatever.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
We're busy. We love Dewey. Yes. There's a lot of Dewey fans out there.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
If you see her, she's always with her mom. And it's literally the sweetest thing ever. I don't think I've ever seen her mom. Her mother's always with her. She's always with her. Every time she's at the baseball, not baseball, football games, her mom's always there. The concerts. Good for her.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
And her mom's always at the concerts with her whenever she's on tour and she picks out. Have you seen the 22 hat that the little kids get? No. There's this little 22 hat that she puts on one of the kids and the mom picks it out of the whole crowd. That's cute. Yeah.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
A certain mother-daughter duo just walked in the Victoria's Secret fashion show. There was a mother-daughter duo that walked, and I was like, we should walk. But it was like a mom and then her daughter.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
I was like, if you want to actually be on this show, we need to get the social media going. Because I was doing social media for a while, and I was like, Mom, you've got to learn Instagram. She's been doing good. She shows up in my TikToks. I keep telling her to start her own TikTok.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
I'd never be hurt.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
Yeah, with social media, like, with our generation, it's like, we know, like, it's honestly sad if you're sitting in your basement literally commenting about, like, us. Like, who are you? What are you doing?
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
So, like, it's not going to hurt me, but, like, for my mom, it's like... It hurts sometimes.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
Yeah, no sleepovers.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
Well, my older sister wears Crocs and she's just like, you know, crocking.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
Now we're living life and traveling constantly.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
And like I said, like we it was literally one year ago today that it was in Access Hollywood announced us as the cast. So like one year ago, like this is such a special day. Yeah. And like my mom was actually out working and I was luckily home. And like I made the announcement post on my Instagram and like I had like prepared it to get people like excited for the announcement.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
It's incredible. It's very different. It's like a full-time job having to work with it.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
I was like, oh, something's coming. And it was like such a big secret because when you're announced the cast like you cannot tell anyone for months and you're filming for months. And so it's like and I post on social media every day. Yeah. Keep that big secret for so long was crazy. But you were so excited. It was.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
Yeah, we loved everything. The biggest shock is how many people watch. I mean, we know that TLC is, like, a big network. But, like, how many people stop us on the street even if we're not together? Oh, really? Which is crazy.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
every year on the street and i go no they don't no they just say the mother and a lot of screams smothered a lot of men and they're like oh no like my wife watches it no they do and i was like no you watch it i was like i know you watch it and they're like yeah i know what is your favorite reality tv show
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
We do. So we do watch The Bachelor and The Bachelorette a lot. We just finished The Golden Bachelorette. It was kind of good this season. It was kind of really cute. So wholesome. Oh, my goodness. I didn't see it, so I have no idea. It was kind of good. But it was good. Personally, I love the show Too Odd to Handle. My mom thinks it's a little scandalous.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
It is, but that's why they get their ratings. I love it. Do you watch Love is Blind? Yes. No, we don't actually watch that.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
Could you imagine one of them having both of you out there? No, honestly, it'd be good with both of us because imagine they're filming and we're in separate rooms. We'll have separate partners. Don't worry. Oh, you would go against each other? Oh, no, we're going against each other. Well, I mean... Whatever. But we'd be in two separate rooms matching. Wouldn't that be iconic?
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
Oh, which one's which? Have you pitched this idea yet? Johnny. Johnny.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
I actually have a question for you. Oh, okay. What is it? Who would get sent home first?
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
So we both did pageants. And, like, pageants is a little bit like dance where it's, like, it's a competition. It's kind of an individual sport. And it's competitive.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
Well, I know. Yes. If we did two different seasons, then we could live in L.A. twice. And then I could win. Then you could win.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
Whatever they say. Whatever Johnny says.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
Is that on Food Network? Someone had mentioned that for us. Nailed It would be funny because it's just about bad chefs and I'm a horrible cook. Or Celebrity Family Feud would be really fun. She keeps talking about that. That would be cool because we have a whole roster. Sisters, get them on.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
So why don't you do it?
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
Johnny! Oh my gosh.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
We hate perfume. We don't wear perfume.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
Yeah, and she also says that if you wear too heavy of a perfume, you're hiding something.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
My mom is very specific about she does not like perfume and no candles.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
We designed them and then we wear them on the show. So, you know, you see them on the show. I saw them on the show.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
And then you can tag the Diamond Crown Collection on Instagram.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
Yeah, I love a thick chain. Like, the thick chains are super modern. I used to wear, like, this Prada necklace that was, like, a thick chain. And then I love, like, a triangle shape. I think it's also very modern. The diamond is my birthstone. And then the crown, you know, we did pageants.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
And, like, whether you're going to wear a crown on your head or wear it on your chest, like, it just, it's kind of like a confidence piece. It's also just, like, bougies up an outfit. Yeah. Like, even if you're going to be casual, you're going to look bougie with the necklace on. Right. No, I love that. Like, this is like, my mom's like, oh, this outfit's kind of dull.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
And I'm like, but put the necklace on. It's another story. And it brings it all together. Yes. I love that. I'm going to put it on. You can even, yep. You can even put it on, like, any of the chains.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
So you can find me on Gabriella underscore Vigorito on TikTok and Instagram.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
It would be like a transition. So like I'd be sitting here. I threw a shoe. That was the first one. And then my mom caught it with her foot and it went boom. And then it went to my mom sitting there. And it was a very iconic video.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
But you still didn't mind it. No, if anything, they're embarrassed, and it makes it seem like they're left out, but they don't want to be matching. They do not want to be doing pageants. They're just embarrassed.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
The little one, you know, she sees as her princess. She is my princess. Maybe she's not a princess.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
Like, people think that I'm the one in charge. I'm the one getting the content, making sure everything's in order. I do the hair and makeup, so we make sure it's all perfect. Are you serious? Yes, I'm serious. Want to take a selfie? Yeah. She's on it.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
But she was always, like, first runner-up. She was, like, right there.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
Do the major content later.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
It's a big pink camera. But this camera literally makes you look like the most glowing goddess ever. And no editing. Just. It's the camera.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
Um, I, I have known it. I just didn't know the details that you worked with her. That's kind of really cute. Yeah. Cause now we work together.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
I know. We can just like go walk.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
Yes. I'm a hairstylist. No, my mom does not do hair. She, um, she actually works for a radio station. Oh, we kind of have our separate jobs. Also, um, people think that just because we're on reality TV, we don't work anymore. I know. I'm like, no, I have like a ton of jobs.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
I have no plans to move out right now. Mom's hype about that. You know it.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
For real. It's amazing.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
I mean, for me, I'm definitely staying single right now. I mean, I've had boyfriends in the past. But, like, right now, it is kind of hard. Because, like, one, in this industry, it's kind of hard to have a boyfriend. Because it's just a better look to be single. And also, like, we're just, we're traveling all over. So, it's like, a man, like, needs time and attention.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
And, I mean, I'd love to give him attention. And I love boys for sure. But I am looking for a boy who's very independent in his own career. That we were kind of, like, busy. Sure, yeah. independent in that.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
You know, my mom calls it a love triangle, so we'd have to work on that.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
Kind of. They have to get along with my mom. Yes. And, I mean, if we're going to go to, like, a gala or an appearance, like, and he wants to come and, like, take our picture, sure. But, like... Only take the picture. He can't be the plus one because you guys are each other's plus one. No, I'm the plus one or she's the plus one. See, it'd be great if he was, like, a photographer, too.
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Why Dating is a Package Deal with Catherine & Gabriella from sMothered
So, like, if he's, like, trained, a photographer, come take our picture. But, like, he has to, you know, be able to come and hang out with us.
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Unless he wants to have the spotlight because we do have our eye on one boy. Ooh. You have we as in you? No, both of us. Who's the one that brought it up? Well, yes. Okay. His name is Juan Soto. He's number 22 on the Yankees. Now, but he might be traded. Whatever. It doesn't matter where he's going. I cannot with you two. My mom's down for him. I'm down for him. Well, no, he's mine. Is he single?
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Who knows? And how do you know about him? It's cute.
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Welcome to the shit show. Things are going to get weird. It's your fave villain, Kale Lowry. And you're listening to Barely Famous. What's up, fuckers? I feel comfortable saying fuckers again on this episode because Morgan Bailey is on here. And for those of you who don't know who Morgan Bailey is, she rose to popularity through TikTok.
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The men, I mean. Stop messing. We were just talking about broke dick is the best dick.
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All right, Morgan, welcome to Barely Famous Podcast. Thank you. I'm so happy you're here. First, can we talk about the video that you posted on your TikTok where the truth came out about why you couldn't come on the podcast?
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Like, he had a good job. And the other moms trusted him enough to have him in their lives, in the kids' lives. Yes. So he must've been somewhat decent.
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Morgan Bailey Is Not So-Random
I know, right? So sad. But you quit where you got fired because you were with him or because you were just like a bunch of things?
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Morgan Bailey Is Not So-Random
Because I was shook. I was shocked, but I kind of wasn't. I wasn't shocked. Back when we had Baby Mamas No Drama and we thought you were going to come on there, what the fuck happened? They told me no. They just kept telling me no. They were like, don't, because Kale's messy. I haven't been messy for a long time, though. Like, I was messy. I am, though.
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Can you see my expressions? I have Botox. So I'm like, I don't know if you can see what I'm like.
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Morgan Bailey Is Not So-Random
And then you were number six. And these are all six different women or six different children. Both. Both. Yeah, both. Oh.
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Morgan Bailey Is Not So-Random
And I just feel like your situation, it wouldn't make sense for you to go on. Which podcast did they say for you to go on? They were pitching me to everybody.
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Yeah, because, like, I mean, thinking back, right, like, even right now, you're like, I don't remember. for me at least, I don't remember certain timelines, but I know exactly. Especially when you're pregnant. Yeah. And just like, I know the details of what happened, but I don't know which one came first or like which detail came out. And then people like to twist your words.
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Like, and then they get mad and it's like, well, there's look at how much is happening. And you're expecting me to remember this in chronological order.
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Morgan Bailey Is Not So-Random
So he's involved in some of the kids lives, but not all of them.
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So at what point did you guys like break up? Did you guys break up or you stayed together for the entire pregnancy?
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All of her guests are a list. And I think just think it's like a different, um, like a completely different vibe. It's mainly like the music and acting industry where like we're more on the same wavelength, I feel. So it just didn't make sense to like,
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And then he leaves. Yeah. He just disappears. or you guys like broke up and then he leaves.
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Because now that you're saying that, I vaguely feel like, you knew who the, who the dad was, but he like disappeared kind of thing, but you were talking to him, but that was like sort of the joke of the story. It was just a joke. Exactly. But people really held on to that.
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sure maybe i was messy but you've been messy so you became famous on tiktok from posting gianna and telling you didn't originally talk about random man from atlanta right does he have a real name do we ever say his real name he does okay
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Like that, it's just typical. So, so at what point did he then get on social media? Cause I vaguely remember him like, And everyone freaked out because he got on social media.
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Morgan Bailey Is Not So-Random
And it's not... See, I... Looking back, it's like... You're better than me because I exposed my baby dad when he was not claiming me and was acting like he didn't have someone... Not he was not claiming you. Oh, my goodness. Literally hid it from his family. And at seven months, I was like, this is my baby father. And that was my biggest mistake.
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I should have pulled a Morgan, but this was before you...
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Every word. Oh, my goodness. And I was a little nervous because I'm like, I don't I didn't know how much you were willing to talk about it. But I do see how much people twist every single thing that you say.
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And it's hard because you want to tell your story, but then you also are going to get bashed for all of it. And you're like, but I wasn't lying, but the timeline might've been off, but I'm trying to tell my story so that you guys can, so it's digestible for you. Because that's the other thing is like, you are human beings.
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No, seriously. Because if he was there, he would let people know.
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I mean, I wish I was a content creator, but I just, I'm not like you. I don't know. I wish I had voices and could be animated, but I just get thrilled for it.
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No, I only ask you because that's something that picking up traits from other people is an ADHD thing to do. I might. I might. I don't even know.
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Because I saw when you were getting Gianna in the car, those videos, where you're like, this is what I'm wearing. I'm a 24-year-old teen mom or 23-year-old teen mom. I was saying my coochie was sweating. All the bags I was carrying. That's how you came up on my forum.
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What if someone sees you in public? and then they put it out.
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So that probably perpetuated the rumors that you guys were actually together, but you weren't.
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page and I was like this is so funny like it's so real and then I didn't even know there was Random Man from Atlanta so like I followed you but I didn't know what the hell was going on so we meet Random Man from Atlanta sort of he met us he came and joined the party girl and y'all tried to work it out I mean, yeah, you know what I'm saying?
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Because you guys fell back into it or just because of this?
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And it was just kind of like... Because I could see if he like came to visit because I'm guilty of it too, right? Like thinking that I could change their mind into...
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Wait, why? Why were they saying no to iHeartRadio? I don't know. Okay. Just to, I don't know this for sure, but this is my theory is that because people don't get paid to go on podcasts. Yeah. I think that's why, I don't know. I don't know. But like managers are not getting a cut, but I don't think that people realize how mutually beneficial podcasting can be. So like-
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i mean you're tapping into people that listen to barely famous might not know who you are so now they're gonna go look at who you are yeah and vice versa or like people who love you yeah people who love and support you might be like what podcast are they talking about and go look so it's mutually beneficial and if it's not okay fine but at the time we were if we were both messy i don't know why you wouldn't be allowed to come on a messy podcast crazy is like i remember when you dm me i was like i'm going
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You're like Snapchat, Instagram, Facebook, Twitter. Oh my God.
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Yes. Seriously. No, I'm not going to block on Cash App.
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So it's just like... Does Gianna get... He has several other kids. Six? Yeah. Seven? Yeah, seven. We don't know. No, no, no. He has seven kids, yeah. Besides Gianna? No. Including Gianna? Including Gianna, yeah. Do they all live in Atlanta? Do you live in Atlanta? No. You're in Michigan. I live everywhere. No, I'm in Detroit. I'm in Detroit. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah.
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You want her to be able to say that you did everything that you could.
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Wait, so you go to Atlanta. Did you stay in Atlanta then?
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So he is in Michigan with you now or he is? No. No. So how do you guys co-parent?
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I was just telling you off camera, off the mic that I'm having a really hard time rebranding too, right? Like I just got a package from YSL and when I got the email that I was going to get a YSL package, I almost shit myself because I was like, this is the coolest fucking thing. Tell me about your rebrand. What do you want to do? And did you drop your agencies or did they drop you?
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That's so surprising to me. Cause I feel like that was an opportunity to fully rebrand.
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I contradicted. What is the way out at that point? Because you can't, you can only control what you say and what you do. You can't control what he says and he does. So then what?
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It's whatever he says. He says. Did you read that book?
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Not yet. But Mel Robbins, shout out, because everyone is talking about that book. So I need to read it. Read that book. And don't read it unless you're ready to change your life. Well, that's the thing. That is the biggest thing for me is like we can say it until we're blue in the face that we want to make changes.
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But until you're actually in the mindset of you're going to change, it's not going to work. I took Gigi offline. I was going to ask you about that.
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You don't want to make it your whole like people know your mom. And if she pops up in content here and there, it's different than making her the main focus. Exactly. And I think that's fair.
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I have literally turned a brand down because they came back after a long time, and I was like – Where was this when I was actively pursuing it?
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No. And that's what I, I guess I'm not understanding that whole part of it because I don't feel, but maybe because we both came from like messy worlds. Like, yeah. I don't look at you and think messy. I understand your story maybe because I experienced something sort of similar. So I don't look at you and think messy at all.
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But how do you come back from that? Because I also understand that, too, is, like, once you tell your story enough or, you know, now you're on the podcast telling your story again, like, then what?
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I know some of you guys are not on TikTok, but she was doing her outfits of the day and like, you know, 24 year old teen mom. It was, you know, she had some comedy and she would refer to her daughter's dad as Random Man from Atlanta. She gained a lot of popularity on TikTok.
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No. Wait. Okay. Because I immediately joined the creator fund. Really? Did you? Yeah. I didn't. I didn't.
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No, my minute videos don't perform as well as, like, my quick content.
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I love the rebrand. Okay, we're figuring her out. So who are your favorite content creators? Do you have any? I have rapid fire questions too.
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she met them but you know and they talk on facetime like you all that so it's like you know but she's two so and what was the reaction for his other kids moms they are they upset with i saw some stuff where like some of the moms were coming forward but what
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You know what I'm saying? So I follow a lot of people. Before the TikTok ban, did you expose any of your own secrets? No, I didn't have no secrets. You're like, I already told my story.
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I threw out my quesadillas. I did, though. I threw out my quesadillas.
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I love that for you. Okay. Rapid fire. Guilty pleasure.
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I'm just random. Okay. If you weren't in content creation, what would you be doing? Mortgages? No. No. HR? No. I would be doing content creation. So if there's a will, there's a way. If there's a will, there's a way, honestly. What's one thing on your bucket list that you haven't done yet?
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Oh, like the personal pan. We used to get those for reading when we were in elementary school.
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Yeah, it's fine. Just put it on the defrost or whatever. No, seriously.
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That's fair. And I think that's good. Celebrity crush? Do you have a celebrity crush? I'm like, who's a celebrity? Saquon Barkley, maybe? I don't know. You don't know who Saquon Barkley is?
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Last one is, what is your signature scent? Do you have a favorite perfume that you wear all the time?
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I love them. I thought you hated it because it was Kylie. I was really upset because I saw on TikTok this morning, it was like Kim Kardashian was shooting her shot to Luka. He's an NBA player that just got traded to the Lakers. And she was like, I'm going to learn Slovenian for –
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she wants to learn sylvania because that's where he's from and he was like no please don't he like responded that back to her and i was like honestly how are you gonna do kim kardashian like that because you could have been the next model for skims i love the kardashians you know what i mean i do too and i get so much hate for them for that but i love them and i don't really care yeah it's like they are literally the blueprint how could you hate them but that's why i don't really admit that i love the kylie jenner perfume but i do love it
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said person as like inspiration, not jealous. They're different. But I feel like you do get jealous to the point where it pushes you to do more. But that's what I'm saying. I think it's more like, because I'm also, I don't get jealous of people. I look at it as like, I want to be there. How do I get there?
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Not like, why do they have it and I don't? Do you know what I mean? Yeah, for sure. It's like, okay, if they can do it, so can I. But then sometimes it's a little more far-fetched for me.
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So yeah, it is what it is. Oh, so wait, you did a video this morning on your TikTok flashing your bank account and people are freaking out. What is the video? Did you make that much money? Oh. What was the amount? It was like 900,000? It was 900,000, yeah. Love that for you. It's just a Google screenshot.
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This is your golden year because 2025 turning 25. So the rebrand is this year. It is. And I'm ready for you.
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Well, thank you for coming on Barely Famous. I love that.
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Wow. So you have your own variation of my hot neighbor story. What is my hot neighbor story? So Elijah is, he's the father of my last three.
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He was my neighbor. He owns the house in front. Like we share a driveway. Wow. Okay. So we both have hot neighbors. I mean, well, I don't know if he's hot, but had. Okay. Well, you have. Love that for you. Like, okay. I had. Okay. Yeah. So you meet, and then you go back to Detroit? So, girl. Did he know you were pregnant?
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And so it's a really fun interview about, you know, how she was sharing her story on TikTok, how she grew her following, and then what ultimately happened after she gained a massive following on TikTok. and how people have become so invested in her story. She didn't have to go on Teen Mom for 13 years to get the following that I have.
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I'm like, wait, because did you know, hold on, because did you know about the other kids when you got pregnant?
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So he walks into the apartment complex, like where y'all lived with a baby carrier and didn't think you'd find out. No, but it wasn't.
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So I think that's a really interesting spin on how we consume media and how we consume social media in general. It's like, you don't have to be on TV now to gain these massive followings. And so people really loved how authentic she was. But then I do think some of her following started to turn on her.
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So it was another baby. Not the original two that he had showed you. So it was essentially like a fourth child.
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And she does share some insight on how that all happened, how it transpired, and what a rebrand would look like for Morgan Bailey today. And I think that's really cool. I do wish her the best with the rebrand because I know how hard it can be, but I think she can do it. I think she'll pull it off and go follow her on socials and to understand her full content.
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Welcome to the shit show. Things are going to get weird. It's your fave villain, Kale Lowry. And you're listening to Barely Famous. Hey fuckers, it's Kale with another episode of Barely Famous. Today I have a TikToker or grandmother that went viral or mom who is just real as fuck on TikTok. Her name is Amber. And I think you guys are gonna really love her story.
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Yeah, I had a conversation with my boyfriend about that last night because someone had said something about him and... He just couldn't wrap his head around it because he's like, I don't bother anybody. And I looked at him and I said, but that person doesn't realize that they're projecting.
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When you're in that state, and I've been there through depression and other low times in my life where I realized, okay, I've talked shit when I shouldn't have, or this bothered me more than it should have. It's not something that truly impacts my life, but I fixate on it. is, you know, I'm projecting because I'm not happy within, you know, myself and something that's going on within myself.
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And so unfortunately for him, but he couldn't wrap his head around the idea that someone would not realize that they're even projecting. So they come up with these excuses. I'm not miserable, but X, Y, you know, you do X, Y, and Z, or I'm not miserable. I have X, Y, and Z going on. And that might be true.
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just responded and that blew up to like 20 something million views um it was crazy because it was just nothing that's so funny i'm crying because i was like wait a minute i didn't know any of this i just had followed you for other reasons but anyway hi how are you i'm good how are you Okay, it's been, like I said, just a shit show today. But okay, let's talk. Tell me about yourself.
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You might have those things going on, but you're still not happy within yourself and your own life for you to be fixating on someone else's life. in that capacity. Absolutely. I did see another video of yours that you were talking about how you don't have kids with your husband. Is that right? Yeah. Can you talk to me about that?
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Because clearly I've had a problem across the board with, I seem to have children with pretty much every single person I'm with. So I'm just wondering how that dynamic works for you. And do you ever feel like you know, your marriage or your relationship is missing something because you haven't had kids with him.
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And he just kind of felt the same? No, he wanted to get... Oh, shit. Shit. So then what did you do? Like, how does that work when you... Because I haven't ever been in a situation where I get... Well, I guess my ex-husband and I, we had one and then I had some miscarriages. And so it was like, I don't want anymore. I don't want to go through this again.
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I ultimately did with other people, another person. But... You know, that was hard. How do you decide? Because that's like a big decision, right? Like that's like a lifelong commitment, a huge decision. Are we going to have kids or not? How do you decide? Because you went back on, you know, your own position on the marriage thing. You decided to get married.
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How did you stick to the I don't want to have a kid thing?
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Tell me about, I know that you were a teen mom. I knew that from TikTok. And you had two kids as a teen, which obviously we can relate on that. What was that like? And you grew up in Michigan, no? I did. And have you ever run into Eminem? Because I'm a huge fan.
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Right, right, right, right. And he finally was just like, okay, I agree. Like he was like, it's not, it wasn't a deal breaker for him.
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You don't have to answer this if you don't want to, but what does she call you guys?
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What is her relationship with her bio mom? So her bio mom... Which is your daughter.
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I think I resonated with you and started following you once I learned more about what your role was with your granddaughter and also with your daughter. My mom is an addict and an alcoholic to this day. And I just bounced around a lot in my childhood. And my grandparents were too old to actually adopt me. So they did everything they could. without the adoption aspect.
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Best of Episode: Teen Mom: All Grown Up with Amber Boone
And so if I wasn't with my grandparents, I was with friends or I was with other family members. I think that there's a lot to be said about your character and who you are as a person to be willing to take on. I mean, you raised your kids, right? Like your youngest is 14. So you're almost out of the woods in terms of like raising children, which is so fucking hard.
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And I don't think that people talk about it. I mean, thankfully now with TikTok and social media, people are talking about the really hard parts of parenthood. But I think it just, it speaks to who you are as a person for actually taking on another child that you know, you didn't necessarily plan to take care of.
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And I think that that's really awesome of you and your husband, because then that also speaks to his character because he didn't have to do that either.
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Oh, okay. Okay. So that's not like a place. It's a divider. It's a street. It's literally a street that divides Detroit from all the suburbs. Okay. Okay, so where's 313? 313 is like... 313 is Detroit, the city. And that's where you live?
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Best of Episode: Teen Mom: All Grown Up with Amber Boone
I hear you. And that's why it's like whole, like I cannot imagine like just like starting over when you're almost like you're almost there. But so do you know where the anger is coming from? Like you said, you were angry at first, which I think also comes with anyone who is affiliated or associated with someone they love being in addiction or alcoholism or anything like that.
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Best of Episode: Teen Mom: All Grown Up with Amber Boone
It's like, there's so, there are times where I forgive my mom, right? Like there's times where I'm forgivable and I, for forgiving, not for forgivable, um, forgiving. And I go through these periods of time and then there's other periods of time where I'm like, I hate her guts and I don't understand how she did this to me still, you know? Um, do you know where the anger is now?
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Like, is it because she's clean and you know, you don't know where that leaves you and your granddaughter? Or is it because, you know, you've gone through all of this, um,
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What happened? Right. What happened? But it just, it just goes to show that addiction does not discriminate. It doesn't matter how perfect you are on paper. If you check off every box or you've had the picture perfect child, because that was my mom. Like, yeah, of course. I mean, my mom, my mom was, she's in her fifties now.
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You're like, I'm a suburban mom slash grandma now. Okay, so am I allowed to ask how old are you? Yeah, I'm 37. And you are, in fact, a grandmother.
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So she, she grew up at a time where, you know, it was like kids are seen, not heard kind of thing. But like she had other siblings that all went to college. My mom's older brother, my mom's older brother is a doctor teacher. You know, there's all kinds of, how did she end up this way? It doesn't discriminate, you know?
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And so I just feel like the people who are, you know, sit there and they're like, Oh, well you must've done this. Well, how, how did she do all of these great things? And then this happened. I think, um, people really need to open their eyes and understand that it can happen to anyone.
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I talk about that all the time. Someone sent me something yesterday and I was like, oh, that happened in the 3.5 seconds that I wasn't pregnant for once. Like, I'm always fucking pregnant. So I completely resonate with that. Only it's the children I keep having. I can't. I don't even know how I got here either. Probably trauma. But... We just take it day by day.
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But yeah, no, I think there's also so much to be said about like the getting up and go. Like we just can't, moms just can't. And when you're, you know, taking care of a child all the time, but who is Amber outside of being a mom and grandma? Like who, what do people not know about you?
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Because I feel like your whole TikTok presence is kind of like your backstory, but like who, who are you guys without, you know, not without, but aside from being a grandma?
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I don't even know if that's, like, do moms ever, well, like, now you're a grandmother, so, like, do they ever just, like, turn off that and can be just a human outside of all, like, I don't know. Like, is that even, is that a thing?
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Amber. Get out of my fucking head because Kristen and I, she's on this call or she's on the Zoom or whatever. I tell her that all the time. I'm like, I'm so sick of the fact that people will talk about teen parenting being hard because of diapers and not having a job or a license or whatever. But nobody talks about the teen... Nobody talks about the teen years.
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Like I cried because I had to take my son's phone away from him last weekend. And I didn't know why he was sneaking behind my back, trying to play a game on his phone. Like nobody talks about how much braces, my insurance doesn't cover braces for these kids. I got to pay $6,000 for three out of four of my kids. So, and their dad, I mean, one of their dads doesn't help.
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And so one of them is completely on me. And so they don't talk about, the later years, like no shit. And we're exhausted when they're babies. Every mom is exhausted when you're a baby, no matter how old you are, but the teen years and the tween years, forget about it.
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No, I tell my kids all the time, cut me off at 60, pull the fucking plug. Like, I'm not doing this shit. Any more years after 60, I cannot do it. Count me out.
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Yeah, I know how that goes. It's hard. It's hard to... I mean... It's so easy for people to be like, oh, you know, this is what I would do. But it's just not. I mean, I'm glad that you have one so that you're able to kind of keep them together and make sure that, you know, they get to see each other still. But let's run it back. So you were a teen mom.
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Don't have kids if you don't want to, because just don't.
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Like, don't be like me. Yeah. not watched right now i have not watched it since monday and i just we just do what we can you know what i mean like oh my god no but nobody talks about that part it's always you know you're gonna be tired you need you know the diapers the formula That's not the worst part for me. Nobody talks about the later years. No. Now I'm like, my tummy tuck is ruined.
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And I don't know if I'll have. I need my boobs done. That's what I'm saying.
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Every time. But every single time I'm, like, just getting my groove back a little bit and we've, like, kind of gotten with, like, the ebbs and the flows of everything, I find myself pregnant again. I find myself. I don't know how it keeps happening. You would think I would know by now.
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Okay, so every episode before we end it, we do dating profiles. So I'm going to pull up some dating profiles that we can react to. This is fun. I haven't done this in a while, actually. Oh, good. Okay, perfect. The first dating profile says, gentlemen always get treated bad. Girls, I enjoy riding my bike slash working a lot, so stacking the money for my house. I'm the life of the party. I'm
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I'm the life of the party. Unlike some girls as their bums or want everything for nothing. Might as well go out with no one as you're all tramps.
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I don't even know. Like I had a hard time reading it because there was no period. So like, I didn't know or comma. So like, I'm just having a hard time with the grammar. Yeah, someone hurt him. You're all tramps. Someone definitely hurt him. Okay, the next one says, excuse me, women are a joke. They are the worst creatures on planet Earth. This one looks like Bumble or Tinder, maybe.
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You had your daughter first or your son first? I had my daughter first. Yep. I had my daughter when I was 14. Okay. I don't know how you did it at 14 because I did it at 17 and I thought I was going to lose my mind. At 14, you're like a baby baby.
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It says, y'all just play games and treat the good, decent guys like shit. There are no good women around anymore. He claims he's 5'11", and he's a Christian.
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Well, it's just like you're on a dating app. So if you think you're going to attract people this way, I think you need to reevaluate where you, you know, the whole... You must have been raised believing that if you push girls, that means you like them.
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You need some. I hate people like that. And then the last one says... his about me, he's 32 and it says trigger warning. You're probably nearing 30 with or without someone else's kids. And now you want to date and settle down with a real man. By the age of 25, you have thrown out your price a minimum of four times because you deserve better.
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I have a comfy life, a good job that pays 40 K plus a year with a house on the way. What do you bring to the table? If the answer is your kids, your looks or holiday with holiday wishes, go pound sand. No man that has a shred of self-respect would even touch you.
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I pay. You're trying to attract women, the women that you're on a dating app. I don't understand. I think a lot of these men are in the closet. If you're gay, just say that. Exactly. Exactly. Like, if you don't like women, that's okay.
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And that's why they're on a dating app. You know what? I feel bad for them and I hope they heal really soon. I feel bad for the women got a swipe through that.
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I don't know what I would say if I actually was on a dating app and had to come across that. Like, I don't even know. how I would react because I feel like I would get upset. Like what is wrong with this person?
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But anyway, it was great to finally meet you because I follow, I've been following you for some time and where can people follow you so that they can go look, watch your TikToks, your Instagram, all that. Yep. Get real with AB is my handle on everything. Okay. Perfect. You have any projects that you want to plug? Writing any books? Do you have a podcast?
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Oh, I love that. No, perfect. I'll put that in the bio too. So that, or like the description of this episode so people can click on it. But yeah, I actually didn't know about the real estate stuff. So that's awesome.
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Like, there's no way. There is absolutely no way. No, literally, I have my third... Go ahead.
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I think she has a lot to offer and I can't wait to talk about her viral grandma article because I thought that was so cool. So let's welcome her to Barely Famous. Hello. Hey. Hello. I was just... I did your little intro and I was talking about the... So I followed you on TikTok forever ago, right? And I had just seen you on my For You page.
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Yeah. I don't know what it is about the kids raised to. I mean, I have not, I mean, knock on wood. I haven't seen any teens pregnant. I don't know about any teens pregnant in like my son's school. My son's 13. My oldest son is 13. And it's so funny on the way to the office today. He asked me how old was I when I started smoking weed?
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And because there's kids at his school that smoke in the bathroom and stuff. And I'm like, I literally said to him, I'm like, I just don't know how you would even get away with that because I'm so involved in what all my kids do. And my mom just didn't care. So I was running the streets doing all kinds of shit. I cannot picture kids today doing it.
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And I don't know if it's being that we're in 2023 or it's that we're just involved parents. Like, I don't know.
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No, they don't. And I think it's because when we had our kids, we were not that far removed from how old they are, right? Like, I'm 31. I have a 13-year-old. He's about to be 14. So... I remember the things that I was doing at his age like yesterday where, you know, if you're in your 30s having kids, by the time that they get to the age that we were at when we had kids, it's just so different.
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I think it's not that different when we're young and we have our kids young. I'm not saying that that's like, don't. I'm not telling anyone.
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at all like please don't like i'm like i saw i think you did a video about it right like someone was talking about like encouraging it and you're like no i'm literally doing the opposite like i'm trying to tell you guys the struggles i've done so many videos of like i'm not encouraging this like please no i don't even want adults to have kids like everybody just chill for a minute like stop having i don't want adults to have kids for a minute just calm down that's so funny i
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Okay, so you have your daughter at 14. And then you have your son a couple years later.
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And how was that? You were a teen mom to two parents married? What was that like?
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That was me at... I don't even know how old I was when I was divorced with two kids, but my first two kids had different dads. Also, I think you have talked about your kids are biracial, right? So... We also have that in common. Was that was that kind of common where you grew up or was that like a taboo situation?
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And once I got to your page, it had been like a significant amount of time that I had been following you when I saw this article that you... I guess it was pinned on your thing about going viral as being like a hot grandma or something like that. And I was... because I was like, wait a minute. So what was the deal with that?
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Yeah. I noticed on your videos, I haven't, I have not experienced that as much as what I've seen on your page. Like people are very fixated on that with you. And I thought that was really interesting because that's not my experience. I haven't had people really say anything to me about it. And, um,
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I just couldn't believe some of the comments that you get because I'm like, this literally happens every day. And, you know, it's almost like people were acting like it was foreign, like you're the one that started it.
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I don't know. What the fuck? I don't understand what is there to come at you for? I'm not following. Like, were you canceled for something?
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The amount of, and I talk about it all the time, like the amount of effort that people put into hating other people is so insane to me. Because if I literally don't like someone, I will just either move on. I might send something to the girl group chat and be like, oh, this gets on my nerves. But like, that's the extent of it. I'm not going anywhere.
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to lengths or making videos or doing any type of like cyber stalking, cyber bullying to someone that I don't like, like my world is, is never going to revolve around, around someone else other than my children. So like, what in the world are y'all doing with your free time? Yeah.
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Welcome to the shit show. Things are going to get weird. It's your fave villain, Kale Lowry. And you're listening to Barely Famous. Hello, Heather. Welcome to Barely Famous podcast. Hello, Kale. Hello. I feel like this has been a long time coming. Agreed.
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Yeah. In terms of, you know, McKensley specifically, you said that you were having to think about funeral arrangements. How soon after she was born did you have to make those decisions and how did you make those decisions?
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And do you and Ben ever talk about McKensley or talk about any of it or how, like strange enough, I'm reading a book right now and there's infant loss in there. One of the parents doesn't want to talk about it, keeps herself, the mom, she doesn't want to talk about it. She wants to stay busy. And then the dad wants to talk about it, wants to remember, you know, his daughter.
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Thank you. I appreciate that. And today we're going to talk about a really, really important topic and, and struggle for so many women and families, which is infant loss and pregnancy loss. I don't know if they're not really considered the same thing, right? Infant loss is very different and that's something that you shared with me. And so, um,
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And so he, you know, just basically talks to himself about her in his head because he doesn't. And then they get divorced. Um, So what is that dynamic like in your house? Are you and Ben on the same page or do you have different ways of coping?
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And did you guys ever think about like, okay, maybe it affected your marriage more than you anticipated or did you think it brought you guys closer together?
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Yeah, I definitely think that's possible. I don't know why I have these visceral reactions to other people and empathize with you and with Ben. And I don't know if it's because I don't have to live...
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it but i i just feel so much anger more anger towards my mom when i should also have empathy for her because you could be very correct i mean that's that could be so true what do you think the turning point was for you guys like is do you think that there was a turning point in the grief you know you were sort of coping by yourself and he was drinking and then when do you when do you see
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Angel Mama ft. Heather Lohmeyer
We do love Ben. I got to meet Heather and Ben in person back in September. I think it was at, was it Dallas? It was Dallas, yes. It was Dallas. And, you know, I don't know if he just comes along for the ride to support you or if he likes the kitty gang, but we'll take them either way. It doesn't matter.
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I don't, I cannot even, I can't even picture him any other way. So I can imagine how, you know, watching the changes in him and you guys are going through all of the, you know, the loss and the grief together. And then watching him come out on the other side of it. And now you guys, I would imagine you guys could grieve together rather than apart, if that makes sense.
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Angel Mama ft. Heather Lohmeyer
I mean, I agree with you. I've never really been a drinker. Obviously, I've tried it here and there, but like, it just isn't for me. So I do have a really a harder time. But in this context, you know, I can't imagine losing an infant let alone feeling the way that Ben felt, right? Like that is a really, really valid perspective and point that he never got to feel McKensley.
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Like, you know, he never got to feel life with her where you grew her. So it's, it's different. And I'm not saying his is less. I'm just, what I'm saying is like trying to put ourselves in a man's shoes and, and not really being able to. And so I would imagine that, you know, he turned to alcohol there. He felt like he had no other option. And again, And now you guys do have another child.
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First of all, we love him. We love, we love, I call him B, but baby B, what was that process like deciding to try for another baby? What was knowing that you were still, because I would imagine that the, the, the loss, the feeling of loss, the grief that comes with losing an infant, That's lifelong.
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I mean, even though you didn't get to live, you know, she didn't get to live earthside with you and build these memories, that's still your child, right? So when people ask you, I have so many questions, when people ask you, how many kids do you have? Do you say one? Or do you say two? Or do you go into it where you say, I have a son, but I did have a daughter? Like, what does that look like?
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Angel Mama ft. Heather Lohmeyer
Do people think that you're talking about a miscarriage?
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Did you ever, and I'm asking this, I don't know, I didn't, this is a thriller book that I'm talking about with the infant loss. And I never thought I would relate more because there's also alcohol involved as well. In the book, the mom runs into someone who doesn't know she lost her infant.
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Angel Mama ft. Heather Lohmeyer
Did you ever see someone after you lost McKensley that maybe didn't know that you lost her and ask like, oh, how's your daughter? Or like, oh, did you have a baby? And then you're triggered all over again and you have to relive all of the grief again.
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Did a doctor or anything warn you that that could happen? Or is that a pretty unique experience to your knowledge?
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And this is because of infant loss and losing McKenzie. That was sort of what happened. The toll that it took on you was that it manifested in the way of wanting to control things, you think?
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Wow. Did that change or shift your perspective in any way?
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I mean, one in 175 feels very, very, a lot more common, like you were saying in the beginning. than any of us expect. Like around here, they push for induction at 39 weeks. And I thought maybe it was just to guarantee that they're delivering their patient's baby while they're on call and they can schedule that baby to be delivered while they're there or whatever the case may be. And I don't know.
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I never really understood it, but I guess there can be complications towards the end, especially if they run out of room or they lay on the court a certain way. I'm just wondering, in what ways can we reduce those numbers? I just don't, but I, I, I'm not a doctor and I have, you know, I, I don't know what it is. Is it, is it more, more checkups? Is it, I don't know.
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And so when you were going through this and you and Ben both go get treatment, which I, I mean, kudos to you both for getting treatment because that couldn't have been easy. And you being there for him, him coming home, being there for you, like that's unheard of, I feel. When did you have the support when you decided to go into treatment besides from Ben?
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Like, did you have support from everybody else? And then when you came home from that, did you ever think, you know, we don't, we're not going to do this again. We don't want to have another baby because we're still going through the grieving process.
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Angel Mama ft. Heather Lohmeyer
I just want to say I'm sorry if I missed any of that because I don't think I knew any of that or I only knew bits and pieces of it. And so I just want to apologize for not being there for you during that time. Stop it. Stop it. You didn't even know me then.
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But even if I didn't know you, like, if I would have known, and maybe I knew parts of it, but I didn't know the full story, like, I would have paid for a tombstone. Like, that's something that I just can't... I would never ask you to do that. You don't have to ask. And I think that's the other part of it, is that you're saying, like, people might not understand, and I don't think they do.
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Angel Mama ft. Heather Lohmeyer
I don't... And for you to say that you can't ever repay it, I think people that were... I don't want to speak for everybody, but... I'm going to go out on a limb and say that I think that they, they don't need to be repaid. Like they, they can, I don't know if it's sympathize or empathize, but they want it to be there for you and contribute. You don't have to repay them.
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Angel Mama ft. Heather Lohmeyer
And so I think that you being there, being here now and sharing your message and sharing, you know, McKenzie story and your story, you don't know if maybe one of them will ever be in the same situation. And so just you sharing your story and coming on here and also telling, telling the story in the telegram, I think is so important.
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So I don't think that you need to repay them or even worry about that.
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Angel Mama ft. Heather Lohmeyer
Yeah. And I think you do that. I don't I don't even think that it's I think it just comes second nature. I mean, coming on here and sharing, sharing your story and spreading awareness, I think is paying it forward.
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Angel Mama ft. Heather Lohmeyer
They're just, I can't, I want to share this with Lindsay because I think she's on a beach trip right now, but I do want to share this with Lindsay because I think she might not know as well. I think she doesn't know the extent of it or, or, or that everybody came together in that way for you. And I hope that that is the community that we've built. I hope that it is still that way.
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And I hope that, um, You know, when when when a fellow kiddie member, a kiddie gang member, you know, needs something that we can uplift each other at the very least. It doesn't, you know, not even monetarily speaking, but just in a way of support.
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You just know it. Yeah. You know what? That happened a lot more often than I'd be willing to admit, truly.
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I was going to ask you about that. So knowing, well, because them not really having answers for McKensley and the kink in the cord, I don't...
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i don't want to be insensitive so i i hope that you understand that i'm not trying to be offensive when i say this like a like an act like a freak accident like couldn't have been prevented there wasn't an illness there wasn't a genetic disorder there wasn't anything like truly i hope that's not offensive when i say no not at all not at all okay um you know i guess regardless of it being that way
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Angel Mama ft. Heather Lohmeyer
They still do the extra testing, the extra everything. Did they have plans to induce you early? Like how was the pregnancy different this time around with Brody compared with McKensley?
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Just speaking on the heart monitors at home or like the little Dopplers, I also had one for luck specifically after the double, after back-to-back miscarriages. If you're a new mom and you don't necessarily know what you're trying to hear, like what to listen for, sometimes you get the whooshing of the blood versus an actual heartbeat, I think can be difficult and concerned.
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Like you get anxious about it or you can't necessarily find it. That's something I have mixed. I have really, really conflicting experiences feelings on them too. I have a girlfriend who asked me and I said, if you're an anxious person, maybe it would not be in your best interest to get one, but also everyone's different.
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Um, so when you were going to those appointments and going to the hospital at the time, were they already familiar with your, with your loss prior to?
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But even if you had known, I don't know that it would make it easier. Do you know what I mean? It may not. It may have even taken away some of the joy of the pregnancy, knowing and worrying that it could be, you know what I mean? So almost that naivety. protected you a little bit all the way up to the 38 weeks.
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So when you were, when you got pregnant with Brody and you found out, and then you guys were sort of planning the birth, did they, did they want to induce you early?
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They're so quick. Oh my God. I, um, when you said Brody slept a lot in the womb, Valley was on top. Um, And her positioning, I always could tell the difference between who was moving and she didn't move a whole lot. Where Verse was just running and doing gymnastics in there. And so it freaked me out a lot that she was sleeping.
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And so I would imagine every time Brody was not active for some time, you were concerned and rightfully so.
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Rio was technically full term, but he was a nine pound baby in the NICU, which was that was the running joke at the time. Like they do get, they actually do get like, like bigger babies in the NICU more often than people know, because you think of like a NICU baby as, you know, it may be like a premature baby or, you know, a little baby, but that's not always the case.
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Yeah. I mean, but I always say give or take two weeks. Cause you know, Technically, you could go up to 42. They don't love that for functions of a placenta, but I couldn't imagine being pregnant for 42 weeks.
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Heather, I thought you were going to say something about you and you're talking about me.
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This is your first pregnancy, right? So you didn't have a clue. But it sounds like, so far, it sounds like you sort of had a feeling because you were really nervous the whole way there. Yes. And thinking back to, you know, and I, all my pregnancies, that was something that was like, okay, well they could be in the birth canal.
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That is a really good point. I mean, to your point and to what you went through and in McKensley's story is that I could have been 38 weeks also. I mean, it could happen to anyone. And so, you know, they're trying to sell pictures of someone pregnant, not just me, but anybody that's pregnant. You don't know if that baby will make it.
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And then you just exploited her, you know, the most vulnerable time of a mother's life. And I'm not just speaking for myself. I'm speaking for, you know, any, any mom to be anybody that's pregnant. And so that's really upsetting.
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Well, I appreciate that. And you have such a big heart, Heather. I love that we're trying to tell your story and you're talking about us. It's all full circle, girls. We're going to link all of these resources that Heather has shared with us in the description of this episode.
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Not necessarily this topic, but just having you on the podcast in general because you've been a huge fan and a huge supporter of the shows over the years, from Coffee Combos, even Baby Mamas, and now Barely Famous, The Southern Tea, Vibe, and all of them. And so I wanted to say I appreciate you and I love you and I love all the support that you show me and all the girls on the team.
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So when you guys do get a chance to look, if you wanted to share them with someone or just save them on your own, we're going to put them in the description of the episode. We're also, we'll make sure they get out on socials. So if you guys need, you know, maybe you know someone or maybe you've gone through it yourself or you just sort of, you know, want to read up on
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these resources and that kind of thing. We'll, we'll make sure that you guys have them. And then are you, are you comfortable sharing the wave of light infant loss video or can we, cause you, you went to, it's like a vigil, right?
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Is that the right word? Am I saying that correctly? Vigil?
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So that's maybe why like they're, they're going to start making their way out. And so I think, and I don't want to speak for every mom out there because that's the, I'm just going to speak for myself was like, You know, maybe that for us, we're not thinking worst case scenario. We're thinking, oh, we're close to the due date. So maybe this means that we're about to go into labor.
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wrote that down i'll also link that stuff i'll link her links in the description as well just for people to go back to i know some a lot of times people drive and they're driving while they're listening and so they can't they can't do both so just so you guys don't have to remember all of it these links will be in the description and i i just want to say also if um if anyone is interested i donated my wedding gown um javi and i got married i think
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we got married in 2012, had a wedding in 2013. I donated that wedding gown to Washington. There was a hospital in Washington that creates outfits out of the wedding gown for funeral outfits for infants. That's also an option. If anyone is interested, I can go look at exactly what organization I donated mine to, but there are other ones.
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So I can try to include some of those, but oh my God, I literally like, what the heck was I thinking putting makeup on?
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I knew it was going to be emotional, but I just didn't know that it was going to be like, I thought I could hold it together a little bit more. But clearly I just, you know, I could never be Diane Sawyer because she just keeps it straight. Like, I don't think she's ever shed a tear in an interview. And so I'll share the links for the wedding gown.
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It almost feels full circle sort of because at that time I didn't know anyone that had a stillborn. I truly didn't know how often it was. I thought it was like one in a million kind of things. Like you, I just didn't even know that that was a possibility really or it could happen or affect anyone near me. And so it feels full circle almost like forever.
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maybe I would come in contact with you or, you know, I don't know. It sort of feels full circle, but I thank you so much for sharing your story here and continuing to share McKensley's story. And I obviously wish the best for you and Ben and Brody. And I love when you send me pictures of, look at all this snot coming out of my nose. I'm so sorry. It's beautiful.
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And where can people find you if you are comfortable sharing and if you want to share your handles?
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I know they can find you there, but... For anyone who's not on social media like us, if you want to find Heather, all you have to do is join one of the groups. That's it. That's all you have to do.
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Why did they wait until the next day and why did they not do a C-section for that? Do you have answers to that or you have no idea?
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And you sort of still don't have answers. So before you were getting weekly ultrasounds towards the end of your pregnancy, was that because you were high risk or was that just because you were towards the end of your pregnancy?
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And do they say what causes the kink or it's just sort of something that can happen?
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I don't know the answer to that. When I read your initial email with your story and you said it was kind of hard for you to still think about that, what if you had that?
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ultrasound the same thing sort of went through my head like would they have been able to see maybe a decrease in blood flow would they have been able to see a slowed heart rate like is there just anything and I cannot imagine the feeling of living in a that what if space and the guilt that must come with it, even though you have to know it was not your fault. It was truly nobody's fault.
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Did you ever, and I hope this isn't insensitive for me to ask, but knowing that you were going to have to go through labor and birthing McKensley, like, was there any point in your mind where you're like, okay, maybe they're wrong. Like she'll come out and she'll be fine.
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the freezer so they could preserve her for the future did they prepare you for like as much as they could obviously nobody's prepared for infant loss right but like did they walk you through it did they tell you like this is you know the process of like what we're gonna do you're gonna have time with her and then we're gonna send her downstairs or like how does that like
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Thank you. It would not be possible without all of the girls in the team, Kristen, Alessandra. It's been, you know, really incredible working with all women too. And occasionally Chandler, he's the only guy and we don't see him as often as we would like to, but it wouldn't, it wouldn't be as successful as it is without people like you. So I think the feelings are mutual.
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It's a different kind of pain because for me, at least, you know, you have a little bit of guilt, right? Where it's like, could I have done something different? Sort of like how you were describing. And I'm only speaking for myself. So anyone listening to this podcast, please don't get mad at me for saying this, but I
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Because I had miscarriages in the first trimester, I didn't have that same question of did they suffer, right? Like, we're talking about a full-term baby that could have survived outside of the womb versus, you know, I was in such the early stages. So I think it's just a different kind of pain. I don't think I should have worn makeup for this episode. I just want to give you a hug right now.
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I didn't even pick up waterproof mascara. Heather and I were talking about it.
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I have it right here. I don't know why I didn't just not put makeup on at all. It's a different kind of pain. And then I will say that, you know, and maybe you can relate to this part of it. I then got pregnant with Lux. I had two back-to-back miscarriages before Lux, and then I got pregnant with Lux, but I bled so often in that pregnancy. that I was just like, is this it kind of thing?
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And so then there was a new fear where it was like, okay, I'm out of the first trimester, but now we're in the second trimester, which would be considered a stillborn, I believe. So I mean, all the way up to almost 20 weeks, I'm constantly checking to see how much blood is coming out. But I had a I think it's called a subchronic hemorrhage.
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And so they were able to see that through the ultrasound and things like that. And so I was sort of prepared in that way, but I don't, I just, it's not the same as, and I'm not saying, but I am saying maybe stillborn is probably just on the spectrum of pain. It's just very different. And it's probably a deeper pain because like I said, I mean, The what if, you know, what if the snow didn't come?
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What if I would have got the ultrasound? And so I think for a miscarriage, it's just, it's not the same.
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So I think I can speak for the entire team when I say that we are so thankful for you.
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You know, this is such an important message. And all the resources that you emailed me are so important. And I do think that, you know, infant loss is not talked about enough. And when you said it's, you know, one in 175, I remember a friend from high school. She had... some stuff on her Facebook about her stillborn.
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And, um, she, she talked to me about it, but I never really questioned, like I didn't ask her a lot of questions because I just wanted to leave it wherever she was comfortable. You know, she, she brought it to me and, you know, mentioned some things and, um, I, I do have questions, but I don't want to ask them if you're not comfortable with me asking questions.
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It was kind of like flowers and happiness. But Justin's over here like... domestic violence and this message of the film and being able to leave a toxic environment but then I also can see how Blake was like but this is about Lily being her own person at the end of the day and not just being defined by her domestic violence and
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Deadpool, like, switches personalities throughout the film.
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I haven't seen it. So there's nice pool, there's kid pool, there's all these different pools.
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I believe alleged wasn't initially included in the script of him having to all of a sudden pick her up and stuff. And so now he was trying to find out how much she weighed because he said he has back issues. Okay.
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I remember seeing that go viral on Tik TOK up there. All of a sudden she's saying she demanded, demanded an intimacy coordinator be present, but then there's videos of her teaching or directing Justin how to be intimate.
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What does porn have to do with this movie?
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or crew have done before this movie went public before they had to show their faces side by side at the premiere, which they never ended up even doing, which I think only made things worse. And if it's true, Justin's alleging that he had to go into the basement at the premiere. And then there's whole, that aspect of things about he's the director and he can't have his, like that's his moment.
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photographed together on a premiere or at a movie or at a promotion or whatever that looks like you have to know that there's going to be speculation so there also wasn't anything done there either i one thing i thought too is when people were speculating and stuff what if a statement was put out then what if there was just some sort of explanation from blake or justin of why this was happening and why they weren't on screen together i feel a real conversation about that could have
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prevented the spiral of speculation of course there's always going to be speculation but when the internet's confused it just makes them speculate even more and it makes them form their own opinions but then i was even going to ask you as a personality and stuff do you feel addressing problems head-on even is helpful not always so there are certain times where i'm like okay
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Right. That's what I was also thinking of. If they were just like, you know what? We didn't get along on set. There is issues between us personally, but at the end of the day, this film is beautiful.
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And I can't imagine what it would be like to have as big of a public presence as Blake or Justin and having all these public perceptions. I personally can't relate. You can relate to a certain level. Of course, it didn't feel good for everyone to all of a sudden jump on the Blake Lively hate train and stuff. Of course, that must not have felt good for her.
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But is there a way she could have handled it better? Could she have had an open conversation with fans about why they didn't love the way she was promoting the film? And... And say, I hear you and understand and not just continuing to post the number for the domestic violence hotline, but actually speaking directly to the people who are impacted and your audience.
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They're the ones at the end of the day that are watching this film and buying tickets to see the movie. and buying a Netflix subscription to watch it on Netflix and buying Colleen's book to read the book. They're the ones that are making this film a success. And so maybe could she have had that conversation?
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Yeah. And one thing I was going to say too, I think it's crazy how one thing we had been talking about before too is this whole idea of social media and are people on social media right? Should we believe everything we see on social media? But then there's this whole other thing of was social media right?
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whose responsibility that is I also it was just so evident and clear that there was just such a disconnect between them and I just feel this should have been sorted out before that film ever got put into theaters because it's pretty obvious I think it would have grossed the same thing a year later right if they would have handled the issue people were so excited for this story
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Not because it was Blake Lively as Lily, not because Justin Baldoni was directing it. It was because Colleen Hoover wrote this amazing, incredible, impactful story. And people were my mom was waiting outside with her Lily Bloom floral shop sweatshirt outside with her makeup done, ready to go to the film. It had nothing. She didn't even know who Blake Lively was.
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I asked my mom, I was like, do you know who's playing Lily Blake Lively? She's like, who's Blake Lively?
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And then there was opinions online that I remember seeing of, is Justin saying the opposite of what Blake's saying to make Blake look like the bad guy? I saw that online. It wasn't my own opinions. I saw some stuff of, was Justin being so... pro, like, survivors and just the... You know what? I did see that. I thought you meant after the lawsuits. No, no, no.
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This was, like, when the film was first coming out. Like, they were promoting it? I'm thinking about when, like, before the lawsuits, when the internet was first, like, what is going on? Why do they hate each other? They clearly hate each other. And people were wondering, like, because Blake is the main character, Lily, and she's promoting it one way.
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People were wondering if Justin was promoting it the opposite way to be spiteful or to make, like, for... And then that kind of goes to show of why Blake is like, there's this whole smear campaign. Because was Justin doing that purposefully?
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Because when you remember when the premiere was on TikTok and stuff and it was blowing up and people knew that there was drama going on before it ever came out. People saw Blake and Justin acting weird at the premiere and the whole internet knew. So it's like, is social media not right?
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Agree. And I think, I mean, even if he was, I'd just still point blank. There was nothing wrong with the way he promoted the film, in my opinion. Because he...
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obviously he should he's as a director that that's his baby in his hands yeah he took such a precious sensitive story of course he should promote it that way at least and whether that went against how Blake was doing it or not it's kind of like tough at that like
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too bad at that point and maybe there could have been two ways to promote the film maybe if none of this tension maybe if they still promoted the film separately but they posed together on the red carpet and they at least played pretend that they were getting along and did interviews together maybe they could have gotten away with promoting the film completely
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Let's just compare really quick. Like, I'm curious. What's, like, similar? Like, I'm curious what, like, Anyone But You made. I feel like that was just such a non-controversial film that just was successful.
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Anyone But You with Sidney Sweeney and Glenn Powell. Oh, my God. It's such a feel-good movie. Okay. Because I don't know what is...
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I guess Blake would have to allow that. And I don't think that will ever happen, unfortunately.
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that could have been signed off on is like okay my version has to be cut like released first and then the second cut could be done right okay so anyone this is actually this was a good um comparison anyone but you sorry i kind of just cut you off but you're fine anyone but you had a budget of 25 million okay and they grossed over 220 million worldwide so it did less i mean it was less of a it wasn't as exciting of a story but i would say
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it ends with us the numbers are could have been better i would for it ends with us you think it could have been better i think because if anyone but you a story that didn't come from this book that people are so obsessed and in love with made 220 million and ends with us 100 million more it's it's a lot of course but let me see how much wicked made now too oh that's not a fair comparison no i know i know i know
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Okay, Wicked grossed $697 million globally.
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I definitely think it's still... It wasn't a complete... Waste of time or anything. I think it still did numbers wise successful in terms of gross, like how much they grossed in profit.
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I think, of course, especially when you have people that read the book first and fell so deeply in love with the story and the little parts of Better in Boston and like that, the little key stuff. I remember being upset that the little clues of each part of the story weren't included more. And of course, there's always going to be criticism in that when you watch a movie adaptation.
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And you're going to wish it was exactly how Colleen wrote it, but it's never going to be that way. And I think those parts of people not loving the film are just what comes with it. And I don't think that those should be considered at all in all of this.
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But of course, I think the perceptions and opinions and he said, she said of Justin and Blake are just so unfortunate for the actual story itself.
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was professional and we're, you know, they addressed whatever they needed to address and they were addressed appropriately because if I'm that uncomfortable, I would say, I think the only way we might have some sort of answer, obviously it's hard to ever know what the real truth is because we weren't there and everything that's said is after the fact now and not when it was actually happening.
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I wonder if it does end in court as people are saying, um, people that were actually there on set are going to have to come speak out and either choose a side and share their, what they witnessed too. And I feel like having other people besides Blake and Justin kind of just throwing punches at one another. That's going to be,
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Right. Or if the people on set are saying, you know what, everything was consensual. We, I was there too. And, and they were like, was fine with it.
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And I do think that while Justin may have a solid case against Blake in certain aspects of the lawsuit, there's also a chance that Blake could have a strong case in other aspects of the lawsuit. Is there a way that this ends where they're both wrong?
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It was just dismissed because... Because while, for example, the whole trailer thing and being invited into the trailer, what if Justin is right on that aspect where Blake... Maybe Blake didn't mean to or Blake didn't or after the fact, she regretted it or something, whatever way it was. But if you regret it, you don't turn around and file a lawsuit. I mean, that's great.
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So when I first saw, because obviously I was covering the premiere, I was covering what Blake was wearing when she wore the Britney Spears dress, and I was covering all aspects of that. But then there's also these angles of, well, the internet is saying something is going down, but then you can't just base. That's not factual. But you know what?
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And while Justin could say, you know, I like that part is not true. Could Blake prove that? There was non-consensual kisses on set or unwanted kisses on set. Like I, the way I at least have felt found myself is like, I don't know. I think there's issues in both of both sides. Both could be true. Both could be false, right? There's such a gray area that we don't know.
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And while Blake could be wrong in some cases, I feel Justin could also be wrong and held accountable in some cases.
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Yeah. And at the end of the day, there's other celebrities where it's been proven true of, you know, the stuff that you did in 2000 could still bite you now. And even no matter, I mean, this is a year later we're talking about, whereas, you know, you have actors like Danny Masterson's now behind bars for the rest of his life or something that he was accused of doing in 2000.
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And he, it's only in, in the 2020s where he's now Was found guilty of it. So it's a two decades later. So then it's two decades and he can still be in jail for that. Whereas a year later, this is coming out. Diddy and Bill Cosby and all of them. I mean, that's decades later. So at the end of the day, yeah. Should she have come forward right away?
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truth and their experience and i would never undermine someone's credibility for that right and that's where the whole i feel push and pull of this whole case is is sure smear campaign that's so easy to just be like la-di-da about or care like take a side about but then you have the word sexual assault thrown and then it's like everyone everyone's like if blake lively's saying she was sexually assaulted like how do you not handle that with care
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justin's response he says that he perceived he basically perceives the lawsuit as unfounded and potentially damaging to his career asserting that he's been unjustly accused which also is valid they're both valid in their motivation right but then blake is saying her damn reputation was damaged if this alleged smear campaign actually was conducted to make the whole internet hate her so it's kind of just like i don't know it's really it's confusing honestly
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I would say... I see a world in which both lawsuits get dismissed, and I see a world in which this turns into Johnny Depp and Amber Heard, and it is detrimental to one of their careers.
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I mean, I'm afraid to use the word buried now because of the whole... we can bury anyone. Um, that's now become like an infamous part of this lawsuit.
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Yeah. And, and that just also makes you question or wonder is she saw Amber Heard go through that. Obviously everyone kind of did. And she, how could you go ahead and file that lawsuit without being a hundred percent sure that you have a case?
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Put us in. I think the lawyers are going to have a lot to say after the fact of this, at least. I mean, I don't know. Who are her reps? I don't even know who her reps are, but Justin Baldoni's attorney is everywhere.
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And he's over here, Justin's lawyer, as in he is coming here out. He's like, I have receipts to like, Blake is done. Like that's the message he's sending at least. So for a lawyer to sit there and such a renowned lawyer as he is, I don't know who her attorneys are.
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Right. And I think that's a good point to point out. There is always going to be three sides to a story. There's what he said, what she said, and then there's the truth. And I think in this case, it's going to take some time for the truth to come out when covering the premieres and stuff. And yeah,
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And analyzing that, my first, I didn't want to believe that there, I was like, there's no way there's drama. What are you talking about? The internet's just being annoying again. Like, just leave them alone. This is such a beautiful story. Just, I was literally like, it felt like I was like hanging on the edge of my seat. I was like, please just don't touch this.
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Make this go away so we can focus on the message of the book and the movie. And I was just such a fan of Colleen and her story and her work. And I was like, just... Everyone loved Blake, loved Justin. For once, can we just all be happy and just let this film have the success it deserves? And then when these lawsuits came out, it's like, wait.
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no this is really happening as much as you didn't want to believe it or didn't want to believe that there was drama now they're both saying no you guys were right honestly like I feel like the lawsuits are saying no the internet was right there's something going down but now it's just about I guess finding out what went down and what side of the story ends up being right that leads me to my next question I guess this is a general question just for anyone is omitting information lying
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I think omitting information makes a good case for saying that it's liable and saying it's damaging to your reputation because what if that information is included? Then someone might have a different – Completely different perspective.
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Did you pick up on anything? I mean, it's crazy because this whole thing is about... there's sexual assault accusations here and the whole part of the story. And it's Justin's portraying this evil character. I guess you would say like, well, at the end of the day, you're supposed to believe at the end of the day, like he did things to hurt Lily and he did things.
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And now in real life, in real life, Blake's saying Justin hurt him, her. So it's kind of crazy to think about. And when watching the movie back again, I'm looking and I'm like, What's Blake's emotions as she's acting as Lily? What's Justin feeling towards Blake as he's Ryle having feelings for Lily?
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I also was a huge fan of the book and movie. I mean, now, obviously, I watched the movie back a second time recently, and it makes you look at it differently, and it makes you question and stuff. It makes me sad because of how much I loved the book, and reading that book was super emotional and... Honestly, helped me change my perspective. And I even feel like I grew from reading the book.
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I think we have to also remember that these are two of the most famous actors, actresses in the world. I had never heard of Justin Baldoni before this.
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So I heard of him. In Jane the Virgin and he... Well, he's also a director. He's a lot of his...
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Me either. And I think also it's just such a sensitive topic. My brain, at least, automatically went to the Me Too movement. And we finally, as women especially, created this whole movement where it's like, no, Me Too. And Blake is accusing Justin of sexual assault. Your immediate thought is to believe the woman.
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And that's what we've been taught to, at least as a woman, to support other women and believe women and be a girl's girl. But then it's like, how can you know if it's true or not?
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why would someone else then be suing justin i think that has to do and i this again this is also my opinions and not okay magazine's opinions and stuff but i do think that might have to do with the whole smear campaign aspect of it and like how these publicists it almost feels like they're playing chess like so did they think that justin did it i i'm assuming i mean you don't file a
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So it to me makes me sad that this story has now this whole other side to it. And it's taking away from like the true themes and meanings of the book. And now it's all about these A-list celebrities and the whole idea of he said, she said, instead of the true story. Like, women's lives were changed from this book. Yeah. And people walked away from abusive relationships.
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So it says on January 4th, 2024. So that's back over a year now. Blake did address her concerns in an all-hands meeting with the entire... What were the concerns at that time? In a text that Nathan sent to Abel, he doesn't... Nathan says he doesn't realize how lucky he is right now. The whispering in the ear, the sexual connotations, like Jesus fucking Christ.
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And other members feel uncomfortable watching it. I mean, there's just so much. So that is like...
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almost his own team admitting that he in admitting that he's allegedly doing this stuff changing the scenes you mean um well this part specifically was about him whispering sexual connotations in her ear but how do they know what he's whispering just playing devil's advocate a little bit right like i don't i mean i i guess it's happening on set maybe it's more than a whisper i mean maybe i mean i can whisper over here like you're sexy and like you hear that you know yeah
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Yeah. And feeling bad for Justin because he, what about Colleen?
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And even after watching the movie, people came out and said, like, I finally was able to leave. And I just wish that the story could just stay focused on that. Right.
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It also, it also gets confusing because then we have calling come forward in support of Blake.
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It's hard, too, because I understand all sides. I did understand, especially from when this all started. I loved Blake as an actress. I loved the role she was in. I loved watching her on the screen. I don't know her as a person, obviously. But that doesn't mean I wasn't completely pleased with the way she was promoting the film. And I know that that was where a lot of the issues started.
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I was Honey Boo Boo with Alana Thompson
Welcome to the shit show. Things are going to get weird. It's your fave villain, Kale Lowry. And you're listening to Barely Famous. All right, this week I have such an exciting interview for you guys with Alana on Barely Famous, and you may know her as Honey Boo Boo.
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I was just having a conversation with a friend of mine who's also in the public eye, and we were saying, like, we couldn't go get a job at, like, a bank or something. Like, we can't go work at PetSmart. You know what I mean?
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Could you do, like, private, like, home care so that people don't have to – you're not, like, clocking in at a hospital or something?
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No, it wasn't. It's just because... Not that I think of you as my child, but I have children that have grown up in the public eye, and so I can't put myself in that position as a mom. And so it was more for awareness than it was to throw shots.
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So do you still have a relationship with the kids? Yes.
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Well, I think also just having that relationship with her sibling would be... For sure.
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Right, right, right, right. And, I mean, obviously you guys all care. Yeah. So you guys want to have a relationship with her. And do you guys live...
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Probably. Maybe. A lot of the people that I went to college with became nurses and they do like the travel nursing. So they go to like Hawaii, they go to New Zealand, like all kinds of places. Do you ever see yourself doing something like that?
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And is there like a specialty in nursing that you're wanting to do?
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Like 100 percent hands down with kids. And then so you might not get too much of the, oh, Honey Boo Boo's our nurse. Like, you might get it a little bit. Yeah, maybe. Maybe not. Maybe not. Do you feel like the younger generations know less of who you are versus, like, my generation and older? I do feel like it's starting to become that.
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Do you ever get people taking pictures of you while you're eating? Probably. They do that to me all the time. And I'm like, I would have said yes. Or they'll like walk by and they'll have their phone and they're like, hey. And like, they're just taking pictures like this. It's like, if you ask, I would take a picture with you. I would take a picture with you. Okay.
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So this is a PSA to anyone listening that she will take a picture.
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Can't have it. So how do you feel that this new biopic is coming out? Do you feel good? Do you feel relieved?
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If you could create your own show completely from your own brain, what would you be doing on this show?
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I'm pretty sure I've seen nurses on TikTok and stuff that talk about how they wear lashes.
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how fast people can just go any day yeah I feel like it really opened up our eyes and we've gotten a lot closer since then good I'm glad because that was one of the questions I actually had was like how do you navigate your relationship because it's been sort of on and off toxic I would say like in the public eye for sure I think that um you know part of that is being in the public eye because it adds extra layers that people who are not in the public eye they don't have that and so is there anything about your relationship with your mom that you want people to know um
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Well, nobody doing better than you is going to spend their time talking about you. That part. And so every time I read a really nasty comment, I try to remember, like, nobody doing better than me is even worried about me, good or bad. Yeah. Probably not.
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really worried if they're doing better than me like they're probably like they're like honey boo boo okay yeah yeah so I don't know I just I feel I have a love hate relationship with social media for sure I feel like I wouldn't be where I am without it but sometimes the the hate is louder than the love for sure sometimes for sure and it sucks yeah so and I I hate that like our supporters that have followed us on these journeys right like they deserve love back but sometimes the hate just sticks out a little more yeah I don't know
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Oh, I love that. And is there anything that you don't talk about on social media or the show or the biopic? No, not really. My life is pretty out there. Yeah.
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Is there any like podcast interview show or anything that you would love to do? Honestly, I was excited just to be here today. Are you blowing smoke up my ass?
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Like, my mama was not involved at all. Was she upset by that? I don't think so. I mean, I'm grown now. Right. But so you get to handle all your own stuff now. You get to look at your own contracts. You get to know exactly what you're being paid, when you're being paid, if you're getting paid. Yeah. And what is that like? Because that's different. Yeah.
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What was everyone's reaction when you finally signed the deal and you were going to do this? Like, did you have support from your sister and your mom?
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Okay, fair enough. And is there anything in this biopic that people will be surprised to learn about?
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Oh, so it's soon. This weekend. It's coming out this weekend.
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Okay, so for those of you guys listening or watching.
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8, 7 Central Time, May 17th, and where can they get it? They can stream it. They can do all the things. On Lifetime. You've said in the past that fame changes people. Do you feel like it's changed you for the positive or the negative? Yeah.
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Yeah. She would have done it. Yeah. Is there anyone that you want to meet? I don't know. I don't think so. I mean, I feel like like are you desensitized to it a little bit? Yeah. Yeah, for sure. And then what is the relationship like with, you know, showing relationships, both romantic and friendships on social media?
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Do you feel like you have to sort of protect your, I guess, own well-being or protect the privacy of your relationship?
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Well, it's not fair to him because he didn't really sign up for it. But also... You know, you want to keep it private but not secret. Yeah. And I feel like there is, I don't know, there's power in that. You know, I wouldn't want to keep my relationship a secret.
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protecting your privacy in that way because once you allow all these people into your relationship whether it's him or a friendship or a fallout I feel like it changes so much and it just takes a toll on everybody yeah but sure how does he feel about being in the public eye um he's likes it a little bit I mean he doesn't love it he's not the biggest fan of it but I think he mainly does it because like
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We're going to play put a finger down reality TV edition since we both grew up on TV. OK. Ten or so. Yeah. Ten. OK. Have you ever been caught on camera saying something you immediately regretted? Yes. Immediately. Yes.
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You've had a family member as a co-star on your reality show.
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I think all the fingers should go down at that point. Literally. You've been open about your weight loss journey on social media.
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I just got surgery. You've taken a break from reality TV to focus on personal growth. You've never taken a break. Would you like to take a break?
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When you were doing Dancing with the Stars, were you also filming for... Yes, I was. What was that like?
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Well, I love that. Have you ever had a wardrobe malfunction on national television? No. Not even in your pageant days? No. Are you kidding me? Yeah, no, I haven't actually. In 2018, I went to the VMAs and I... I've never been there. That's pretty cool. Are you fucking kidding me? Yeah, I've never been there. Get this girl into the VMAs.
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But you've never been to... I went to the ACMs last week. The country... I didn't go there. I was ill.
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No. Teen moms do not belong at frickin' Grimm's.
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But that's the thing. You have such different opportunities than me. It's so interesting how they pick and choose. And I would love to know. So the next interview is going to be someone from Lifetime.
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So how did you first get on the show? How, what, what did your mom sign you up for it? Are you talking about like on TV? Like just on TV in general?
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Have you ever made a dramatic exit from a family gathering?
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I haven't. You haven't? No. Oh, I don't have a family. So I just like... I've definitely made a dramatic... That's it. That was the last one. I've definitely made... I've made dramatic exits from stage and like reunions and stuff.
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Because I think like actual forgiveness is like you're not forgetting, but you're not going to throw it in their face every time or you're not going to talk about it.
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But you don't bring it up. Like when you say you're forgiving, you're not bringing it up at every chance you get.
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I want, I would love to talk to your mom and I'm, I feel like it'll happen one day. Talk to your head off all day. Well, I don't know. She might be mad at me. Oh, she might.
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She might, but I'm hosting the next reunion. I'll host the next reunion with pumpkin and, and we'll get Draylin on there too.
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Everybody will be there. Just right off the bat. You didn't even give me a chance. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, I told you he doesn't love it. He'll do it, but he doesn't love it. So what are future goals for Alana?
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And what inspired you to just go to college in general when you have been on TV this long and you make money and you do well?
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A comment I get all the time is that I paid for my degree and that I didn't actually earn it. Do you ever see comments like that?
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Would you ever do like acting in a movie, like a real motion picture?
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Like a sitcom. Like you could make a, what is it called? A cameo and play yourself. That would be so cool. Yeah. I think that would be pretty cool. Okay. Anything else in the works? You have a book deal.
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And then are you filming for your mom's show still or no? No, no. Done.
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So then what else? What other press are you doing today? You're doing this. And then what's your next interview?
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Well, everyone can go watch this biopic on Lifetime. What time was it at?
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How do you feel now that you've done all of this?
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Do you think, do you feel like since you've grown up on TV that people sort of still hold on to what they've seen in the past instead of who you are today?
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Alana gained national attention at six years old through her participation in TLC's Toddlers and Tiaras, where her vibrant personality and catchphrases stood out. And one of my favorites is everybody's a little gay. Her popularity led to spinoff series Here Comes Honey Boo Boo in 2012, which showcased her family's life in rural Georgia. And I watched a little bit of this.
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For sure. And then you were talking about your mom, you know, taking your money or whatever. One, did you ever get an explanation for where it went? And two, were you able to use any of it for college?
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I would love to do Dancing with the Stars, but.
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Are you fucking kidding me? Yeah, we were there for a while. Can I cuss on this? You were in California. That's your show, girl. I know, but it's Lifetime. I don't want to mess up my relationship with them. So you and your mom were on the show at the same time, or was it just you?
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What has been your favorite moment so far between filming just from when you were little till now? Like what has been your favorite moment being on TV?
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Are there any shows that you would have wanted to do or haven't been asked for yet?
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Really? Yeah. I did a show with him, God, back in 2000...
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16 or something that was the first and last time um i ever met him but yeah he's really great he really is funny yeah i don't it was a talk show that i did so i didn't get the same okay yeah the same vibes um so you growing up on tv obviously you've gone through all sorts of relationships with family friends all of the things how do you deal with that being in the public eye
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The show was unfortunately canceled in 2014 due to controversy surrounding her mom, Mama June. And now Alana has grown up and is trying to differentiate herself from the little girl that we all knew and love. She's currently in college and getting her degree, ready to move on from the girl you guys know. And her new biopic, I Was Honey Boo Boo, it's out now.
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Yeah. And then your sister, Pumpkin, she took custody of you at one point?
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Does she have custody of you now or no because you're 19?
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And then since you were, you've been on TV since you were six years old, did you just have the same group of friends? So everyone sort of knew who you were and it wasn't a big deal by the time you got to like high school?
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This is so fascinating to me because I was much older when I got on TV. So I had a little bit of a normal life. But you truly I think I start having memories of my childhood when I was around six. So I feel like you really don't know any different.
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And we get to see Alana on her own terms in her own way. Alana's new biopic is exclusively on Lifetime, so you guys can go watch that now. And I hope that you guys love this interview as much as I love doing it. Are we rolling? Oh my God. Okay. First of all, welcome back to another episode of Barely Famous Podcast. I am sitting with Alana. You might know her as Honey Boo Boo.
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And you brought your boyfriend. Yes. How did y'all meet? We met through mutual friends. Okay. Yeah. And I thought you had an engagement ring on your finger.
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But do you think that people will still hold on to... No matter how much work you do.
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What do you think is your most iconic moment from six years old until now that has been filmed? Because there's a quote that you said that I say every single day. Which one is it? Everybody's a little gay.
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Do you have any resentment towards Honey Boo Boo? Or do you, like, how do you feel?
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First of all, thank you for coming on. Thank you for having me. Congratulations on your biopic. Thank you. And we were just talking about Pumpkin was going to come on the podcast. And then you said that something about your mom stealing your money. Yeah. When you had made that video about my mom stealing my money on TikTok.
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Okay. That makes, I mean, that makes sense to me. I wouldn't call you Honey Boo Boo. Like if I saw you on social media or like when I see your videos and stuff, like I don't think of you as Honey Boo Boo anymore.
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I feel like that was like your child. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. Do you ever go back to where you used to do pageants and talk to any of the people that you used to do pageants with? No. Really? No. You don't have any relationships with any of them? No. Because of the success of, you know, you taking on the show or what?
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Maybe. Who knows? You should do a pageant. Maybe I'll be like Miss America or something. I mean, that would be cool.
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I didn't realize that. I didn't know you guys didn't have a relationship. Is your mom still with the guy that was in the videos when I was talking about her taking your money? Is she still with that guy? What's his name? Justin. Gino. No clue.
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And then you were talking about how when Anna passed that it brought you guys closer. Yeah. Yeah.
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Falling in Love with the Process with Joanna “JoJo” Levesque
Welcome to the shit show. Things are going to get weird. It's your fave villain, Kale Lowry. And you're listening to Barely Famous. Thank you so much, Jojo, for coming on Barely Famous. Oh my God, I'm excited to be here. Yeah. No, you just released your book, Over the Influence. I can't believe it. I know. Out in the world.
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But how did you get there? How did you get to the realization that and to the level of self-awareness that you needed to change those behaviors?
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What made you go to therapy?
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So you didn't even feel like you had the autonomy to make that decision yourself. You were sort of seeking it out from the people around you.
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Why now? Why a book now compared to five years ago?
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You do talk about your parents struggling with addiction. How do you think that that impacts you on a day-to-day basis today?
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I'm conflicted. Um, some days I'm like, okay, I get it. And some days I'm like, that's how I feel too. Okay. So I also struggle with, I have more empathy for other people who struggle with addiction, but I hold a lot of resentment for my mom. So she is an addict. Yeah. So we have inactive. Yeah. I'm sorry. But you understand. I do. Do you feel like it still impacts you today or not really?
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Do you feel like you're still sort of in fight or flight now?
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So when you say you need all these things, what is a day to day look like with Joanna?
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It's intense. It sounds like something that would be right up your alley, but just be careful because it's – That's my concern because I like to do like functional stuff.
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Oh, I thought you meant like goat yoga. Haven't done that yet. I also haven't tried that, but I do have goats. So if you were ever – I do. I have four. So if you ever come to Delaware, we could maybe – I want to do goat yoga. I've never done it. We could do it.
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so you as long as you you're not saying that you do all these things every single day you're saying that depending on where you're at mentally you may need to pull one of these tools out of your belt yeah okay I'm tracking yeah okay not all that you're not journaling going to the gym doing all of these things every single day because then when would you have time to sing and go on a book tour into all of yeah it's that like I'm like I feel into what I need I think like okay I came home from a long trip recently or like a six-day trip that was really intense yeah and I was like
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And sometimes we have to do that. We've seen a lot of documentaries, social media, all kinds of clips about child stars and how they're affected or things that have happened to them. And we touched a little bit on how you didn't have that same experience. But how do you remain centered or...
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If you ever cross paths or work with any of the child stars who have had a different experience, is that something that you ever talk about with them?
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the worst type of neglect and abuse and it's heartbreaking and they didn't want to do it i mean they didn't want to be in the industry right they were forced into it and that's awful but that wasn't your experience that was not my experience you wanted to be in the industry yeah yeah you knew from six years old i mean what do you know at six years old i'm only asking my seven-year-old so it tells me he's going to be in movies so i just i want to know like to gauge that i mean
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Do you believe your child at six or seven years old when they say that they want to do those things or do you not?
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It's a good place for kids. When you said that it's not a good place for developing minds, that really, I mean, just that statement alone has changed a little bit for me.
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I think it's hard because even as adults, we look for instant gratification, immediate, you know, the feel good hormones and everything else. And so putting a child there where they're not fully developed, I think that makes a lot of sense.
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Do you think the addictive personality, you're born with that? Or do you think that you can sort of develop that? I think it can be nature and nurture.
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When you pivoted from, I don't know if pivot's the right word, but from music to acting to Broadway, what were, what was, I guess, the turning point for you that made you sort of do those pivots, make those pivots?
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California as a whole – let me not say as a whole. I love California. I do. But I think L.A. specifically, every time I go there, I do feel like I talk to robots. Like I don't – it's just this. It's very surface level. And obviously this is not everybody. But how – living there for 14 years, was it like that for a long time or did you not have that experience?
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Did you do book signings in L.A.? I did. Yeah?
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That is so weird. But like cool. But like so cool. Because, you know, I don't know if you have experienced this, but playing the comparison game to other people, your peers in the industry. What was your experience with that?
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Oh, I've had to mute people. I love them.
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No, it is. That's what initially, that's what when you announced the book, I thought that Over the Influence was going to be related to that. A journey to getting off of social media. That's what I thought. I was like, Over the Influence, I was like, oh, okay, like I'm struggling with this. You know what I mean?
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If you could say anything to young children, but specifically girls who want to reach for the stars, they want to become famous, they want to sing, they want to dance, they want to act, what would you say? I would say don't get into entertainment because you want to be famous. Okay.
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No, it is. It is because I think – I think more so – and this is obviously just my perception, but I think that the process that you were describing with Broadway and falling in love with the process, I'm not saying it's not the same as acting or singing, but it's a little bit different. And so I can see that being falling in love with the process and doing it because you love it.
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But is – do you know what I mean?
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No, absolutely not. You're not. It's really hard. No, it's so hard. It's a practice. It's a devotion. It's really interesting that you said something about you were at the top of the charts and then you spent a lot of time chasing that, right? I also had that experience with – I was on Teen Mom, right? That was groundbreaking. I feel like to this day I still struggle with my level of –
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comfort when it comes to my relevancy or am i ever going to be as good enough as i was when i was on tv because i'm not on tv anymore does that make sense and so is that sort of what you mean like when you were at the top of the charts and sort of you know maybe if you left music for a little while you went to acting you were still sort of chasing that feeling of being number one it was just that um with the two massive songs that i had as a teenager um
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No, you, this is about you. Us. Okay, fine. I'll take it.
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Good for you because it's scary. I mean you're putting your heart and soul into something that people might not know half of what you went through. So putting it out there can be really scary. So I'm glad that you had that.
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I would agree. Yeah. Have you talked about some of the things in your book prior to writing the book?
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So that's why I asked because you were saying that we should be celebrated and you truly have faced so many adversities, but you recognize that. I don't think so many people that I know or have interacted with realize that you know, have that awareness that you really have overcome so many odds that are stacked against you?
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Well, I love that. I think that you're incredible. And I think that I'm glad that you opened up because I think that people also resonate with pain, unfortunately. Yeah, it's very universal. Because it's relatable. No one is exempt from the struggle. And so I think that, you know, As hard as it was, you're really doing a service to people who needed that. You know what I mean?
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They needed to read this book and they needed to see that you overcame all of these things because they might be going through exactly what you're going through or you went through.
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Besides your drive that you've had as a child, right? You said that you started when you were six and that it was sort of innately in you, you think? Yeah. What has been your biggest dream in life?
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No, I absolutely will be looking this up.
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Yeah. Actually, the woman who I hire for all my branding is from New Zealand. So I want to ask her about it now. And I absolutely love her.
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Your mom was okay with everything that you wrote?
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Absolutely. You mentioned the sound that they use for call to prayer. Do you talk about your faith? Are you willing to talk about your faith? Yeah, I'm willing to talk about my faith. How has your faith shifted your perception or just impacted your day-to-day life? Yeah. Because you've mentioned your spirituality a few times. Yeah.
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You're talking about psychedelics? I've never experienced anything with psychedelics. I've never done any. But I recently had a conversation about microdosing and, I mean, I've heard great things. Yeah. Are you thinking about it? I'm not against it. I'll say that. I've also –
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I've also heard – last week we were on a work trip, a podcasting work trip, and we were having a conversation about ketamine, which I think is in the realm of psychedelics where it's like controlled. I don't know anything about ketamine. I don't know much about it. Me neither.
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See, that's what I thought. And I'm not into that. I'm not into that.
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No, no, no. I had this conversation. I think episode two of my other podcast is she was talking about it. Yeah. So that's – you're literally saying almost verbatim our experience, which is really interesting.
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Switching gears a little bit, I work with an all-female, all-woman team. What women in your life have been the biggest inspiration to you, whether it be before, maybe in early days in your career, and now?
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Does your aunt Connie know that you feel that way about her? She does. Yeah.
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really love me this is so so nice i love that that's my boo um if you could do another not anything else in broadway what would it be what role would you audition for i have some things in oh okay you're not allowed to say okay but so maybe outside of that is there anything else that you would have loved to i'm developing um some things right okay so that's really really exciting
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Are you familiar with the author Jodi Picoult? Yeah. She wrote a book called By Any Other Name, and it's about a woman, two women, in Broadway and playwrights and things like that. That might be of interest to you, maybe. For that record. Yeah, it's hefty.
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It's about 600-ish pages, so it's sort of intimidating, but it's one of my all-time favorite reads, and it's fantastic, but it sounds like it would be right up your alley. Thank you. Yeah. By any other name. Yes. And she's also Jodi Picoult herself is getting involved with theater and Broadway. So, yeah. Are they turning one of her books into a show? I'm not sure.
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Yeah. Oh, wow. Um, and it, it's, um, also about like Shakespeare and, you know, things like that. But then it's, um, the other timeline is 2023 and the main character is trying to get her show on Broadway and, and things like that. So it would just be really cool if you, if that interests you, for you to check that out. Yeah.
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You're human. Yeah, of course. We all make mistakes and nobody makes more. I can't say nobody. Most people I feel like Make the same sort of level of mistakes as other people but yours are maybe magnified because you are under a microscope being in the public eye and being in this industry, right?
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You should definitely check that out and maybe even talk to Jodi Picoult because that's her, her goal, um, is to be more, um, involved with Broadway and theater. Oh my God. Well, me too, girl. So yeah.
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jody what's up let's chat um a few rapid fire before we wrap up this episode this one's controversial okay in sync or backstreet boys in sync really i mean don't you want me to just say whatever's on my mind favorite tv show in the 2000s was this circa aquamarine aquamarine was 2000s right yeah it was like 2000 that's a movie Okay, so TV show. American Idol. Okay. I was not expecting that.
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I was thinking Disney Realm. I don't know. Okay, favorite snack or candy. Like now? Yeah. Popcorn. Just any kind of popcorn, not white cheddar, butter.
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I have no idea. Bring me home a tin of that. It's a brand? Yeah. Okay. You eat them together?
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Okay. Mix it. All right. I'll note that for next time I'm in Chicago and I'll tag you. So good. Or kettle corn. Kettle corn. Okay. I can get behind popcorn. I love salty and sweet. It's pretty universal, popcorn. One adjective you would use to describe yourself? Happy. I love that. Favorite book? Do you have a favorite book? Besides your own. Besides my own.
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Is that also spiritual? No, no. Okay. I'll have to check that one out. I love, I'm a newbie bookworm. Okay. Yeah. I've read 76 books this year.
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What the fuck? You're singing, acting on Broadway, have a record label, wrote a book. No, I don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear it. What is your guilty pleasure? Do you have one? I don't feel guilty about my pleasure.
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But I mean that's sort of a guilty pleasure I guess. Yeah. Yeah. Reality TV, any sort of like love show I feel like is guilty pleasure. Yeah. Sex and the City. Do you watch Grey's Anatomy? Have you watched Grey's Anatomy? No. You never got into it? No. Okay.
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Where can people find your book? It's in Barnes & Noble, Amazon. Where else? Anywhere.
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really nice to see people having having this and yes it's just the wildest thing i'm gonna do i run an online book club so i'm gonna do a giveaway with these three oh i'm gonna yeah no i'm really excited i haven't told anyone that you're coming on the podcast because i never know if someone's gonna cancel last minute but i'm so excited and where can people find you on socials it's just i am jojo okay cool yeah i really appreciate you coming on barely famous podcast thank you
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So you don't necessarily have any feelings about maybe not, obviously no one wants to be dragged, like, you know, the Britney's, the Christina, you know, people like that. But so you feel like you hit the sweet spot as far as that goes.
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That is so interesting. I never thought of that as anybody's perspective. You know what I mean? What do you mean? I just thought that maybe because I grew up with you and you're the same age as me, I looked at you the same way I looked at the Britney, Christina, Jessica Simpson. Mm-hmm.
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Yeah, this is true. They got 10 years on us. Yeah. But I don't think I ever thought about age.
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How did you – you becoming one of the younger, the youngest, you know, artist at that time, how did that change the dynamic of your family?
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Yeah. But did you understand the pressure of that at all?
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Over the influence, the title means two things. Can you talk about it?
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You have a following that responded as if you never left. You never left the public eye. You never, you know, pivoted from singing to acting to Broadway to anything, right? People love you just as much as when you first started.
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Yeah. No, but that's sometimes hard because sometimes we get stunted in maybe emotional development or just anything. And so for you to come to that realization is big.
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Do you think that you were toxic and also had toxic people around you and so that's sort of why you maybe attracted people?
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I was toxic and I – In what way? So I just I think that some people have, myself included, have a perception of who you are. And so we don't see that part of it. We don't see that part of you.
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Welcome to the shit show. Things are going to get weird. It's your fave villain, Kale Lowry. And you're listening to Barely Famous. All right, welcome back to another episode of Barely Famous Podcast. We have a guest that you guys know and love, Javi Marroquin. Welcome to Barely Famous again. Thanks. Happy to have you.
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It was nice for me too, because he wants to be a part of the crew. I think, you know, with, with being a sports parent, but because our dynamic is different with the babies and things like that, he doesn't get to go to all the stuff. And so it was nice for me to see him interact with you and Lauren and the kids. So I say all that to say that I think that
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Do people in the military react to you having been on TV?
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Spain really opened my eyes and I think that was a turning point for me and how I felt about Lauren and making sure that Lincoln's best interest is always top of mind.
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In my experience with co-parenting, with Joe, with you, with Chris, I definitely... And I don't want to speak for all kids. I just want to speak for my situations. I have noticed that when you and I are on the outs, Lincoln knows. We don't have to say anything. He doesn't have to hear anything, but he knows. Same for Isaac. When Joe and I aren't getting along, Isaac knows. And I think that...
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Human nature, whether the child knows they're doing it or not, subconsciously will pit them against each other to see what they can get away with. And I think that's a common theme from what I've read online, too. Like, it is common. It's not uncommon for kids to do that. But I definitely think that you and I have done a pretty good job tackling that once we see it starting to bubble up.
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And I think for the, since Spain, I've seen a change in Lincoln, like not worried. Um, he did know that I was coming to record with you today. He's like, am I in trouble? Cause he, he was like, you guys get together when I'm in trouble. And I'm like, no, we're always going to be united for you, but it's nothing you have to worry about. You're not in trouble. And he was like, oh, okay.
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So he, you know, he feels better. But, um, how do you feel? I mean, I kind of already asked you, but how do you feel today about Elijah towards Elijah? Yeah.
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Okay. I think that's fair. Where do you think we could improve as co-parents?
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And then you being in Delaware for as long as we have... sort of unheard of or what do you because I think what the stigma is or what people know about the military is that a lot of people move all the time and it's usually like a two-year rotation right like you're stationed somewhere for two years you move so on and so forth yeah my first six years were active duty and then I got out
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Are you aware of how much Lux looks up to you? Like, do you know?
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No, I've never heard that. But, I mean, he looks up to you a lot. So I was... I was a little nervous about Lux playing for you because I've only ever seen you coach Lincoln. And Eli and Lux love each other. They get along. They always have. So even when things were rocky, it would be a little bit awkward at games and stuff because they would be playing and none of us wanted to talk to each other.
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And so it was... And I don't know if Spain was the reason, but I felt...
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more comfortable with um you know Lux being on the same team as Eli and you know playing for you and now they're on another team um playing together and I feel I feel pretty good about it and I think that we can you know keep those boundaries in place while they get to be kids on the same soccer team yeah do you feel the same yeah yeah I mean the past team it kind of took me back to like the MLT days where like everything was just kind of clashed and it was like
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Okay. I mean, maybe it's for the best. You guys know what's in the best interest of Eli, so I won't even go there.
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That all being said, your time in Delaware has come to an end. And so you're moving out of Delaware this summer. What does that look like for you? And what was the decision making process there? Like, how did you decide where you're going, when you're going, etc. ?
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Yeah. So you're going to continue recruiting, I'm assuming.
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Knowing that there could be an even closer base at that time. Like you picked Virginia, but like you didn't want to risk whether it was a closer one or one that's even further away. Right. Like if say when you're when you're three years came up, you could have been like, well, you're going to be closer because.
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Was this decision... influenced at all by creating more distance between you and me or Elijah and myself and you and Lauren?
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No, no, for sure. And I don't want to dismiss that you're good at your job. I just didn't know if the thought process behind leaving earlier than, you know, your three-year mark was, okay, this would create distance between the families, basically.
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Right. Because, I mean, you add a plane ride in there. I mean, that would create a whole new situation if you would have won.
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So when you let me know that you were going to Virginia, we sort of, I don't want to say went at it because I don't think we argued about it, but it was definitely... No, we went at it. Did we?
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So you went from full-time to part-time to full-time again?
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Um, I don't think it could have gone any other way. Like, I don't think that there, yes, we went at it, but I don't think that there was going to be an easier conversation. Like there was no way to make it any easier. So we, we disagreed. Um, I think on several occasions about what was gonna happen. And so.
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But you've worked pretty much every job you possibly can in Delaware. So now, what did they do? They came to you and they were like, it's time for you to go? Or how does that, what does that look like?
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I also felt that way. I felt like... given his age, because we started having this conversation when he was 10. So my thought process was... okay, this will be an entirely different conversation at 10 and 13. So my thought was, okay, if he goes, he gets stationed somewhere, Lincoln stays with me. And at 13, we would basically reevaluate the situation.
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And if he said, I want to go live with my dad, I just think it would be a different conversation. So that's sort of where we basically were thinking the same thing, in my opinion. And so, and I think that both of us are valid in our feelings. I think both of our points are valid. I think that, and I agree with you that I mean, Lincoln has only ever known 50-50.
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This has always been, and if you ever wanted a week on my time, I'd give it to you and vice versa. So we've always worked together in that way. And so when you're going to court for relocation and you have two parents that are always doing what's in the best interest of their children. And we don't really like co-parenting for us. I feel like, I don't want to say it's been easy.
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That's I don't because it hasn't been easy, but we always put Lincoln first. So when you have two parents that are both doing their very best, it's so hard. And I just, I couldn't imagine putting that in a judge's hands. Like I couldn't. So when we, we were in Disney, Elijah and I took the kids to Disney. And when we had our
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I guess it was like a case review or like a pretrial, you and me, with the judge. And the judge was just like... He was brutal.
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I did not want you to tell him when you told him. And I thought that we were on the same page about telling him at the same, like we were going to be together when we told him. So when you told it, you were like, you emailed me and you were like, I'm telling him. I was really upset by that. Um,
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Because we are so good, I just felt like if we were united about it, whatever that looked like, it would have just set a better example. Because I think at that point, he thought that we were kind of going against each other. And I didn't know if he knew how to feel about it. And I didn't want him to feel like, oh, when I'm at my dad's, I want to tell my dad.
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I think he wants to hear that I want to go with him. But then when I'm at my mom's, I think she wants to hear that I want to stay with her. And so that's what I was afraid of. I'll be honest with you. I think that is what set the judge off that you told him.
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I... Didn't want to get his opinion on it at his age, even 11, because I do think that because he was breaking down to me, you know, and not to put all of Lincoln's business out there, but he was breaking down to me about wanting to stay. And then and then towards like closer to now, not right now, but closer to now, it's. I think he's torn because we're back to being okay.
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Like you and I are getting along, we're co-parenting, everyone's copacetic.
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I think that closer to now, because we haven't talked about it in a long time, I think that he's, it maybe hasn't sunk in for him. Like he doesn't realize what's about to happen. But my apprehension about telling him at his age was that it was going to weigh in on him the way that it did, right? Like it played out exactly how I thought it would.
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So even if a recruiter does a good job in the area they're at, they still have to move? Yes. Why?
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Which was that he was going to cry to you and also cry to me about staying and leaving. He's never had to make a choice, right? Like, he's never had to choose between parents. And that was sort of, I think, what the judge was getting at was, like, we're putting adult decisions on him so young, right? Like, it wasn't like asking a 13-year-old who's about to go to high school.
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It was asking, you know, a fourth, fifth grader how... what they want. And I just think at that point, maybe we could have gone to him and say, hey, this is what we're doing and not really given him the choice. Because if he feels like the choice is up to him, he knows that he's going to disappoint one of us by not saying what one of us wants to hear. Does that make sense? Am I making sense?
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I do think that if it went to trial, it would have been a lot harder for the judge to decide once he sees, okay, both of these parents are perfectly fine. They're perfectly capable. They're
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financially sound they're emotionally there they're physically you know what i mean i think that it would have been a very hard decision for him to make so i think and i don't want to speak for the judge because i don't know him but being that you were the one to move and it it's sort of the closest option i think if i had to guess maybe that's why he was thinking that way like okay you're moving it's close it's within driving distance we can make this work
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Okay. So what was actually got, we talked, I think last year at this point, or I guess it would have been the year before. I don't really remember. And we talked and you were like, Hey, like I, I think it's about to be that time where we're going to have to move.
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Well, for me, yeah, I think it makes sense. I understand what you're saying. But I think for me, it's you guys have never lived there. Don't know if you're going to like it. If there is a possibility for you to leave at any point after you get there and you're like, we hate it here. What if you guys decide that you're going to come back? That's like my not that I wish on your downfall.
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And Lauren, please don't take it that way. I'm talking to both of you is like. I don't wish on your downfall, but like in a perfect world, I want Lincoln to have 50-50 until he graduates high school. Right. Like that for me, it's like, OK, what if you guys go and you hate it? And I'm never going to say that to Lincoln.
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But, you know, and second to that is, you know, I do think it's a different conversation when he's a little bit older. That is sort of where I'm at. And we talked about how he's in the same school this year and he'll be in the same school next year. At the point that he's done with school in sixth grade and transitioning anyway, I think it makes more sense.
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And I also think that I do understand that a father's presence in a boy's life or a young man's life is very important. But I also think that there is a very... small window for some mother son relationships to sort of develop a little bit.
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And I had said that depending on where you went, that I would attempt to try to go as well because I couldn't picture, um, a life for Lincoln. any other way than 50, 50. So at that time, I didn't know if I thought it was real or if it was like, Oh, you guys have decided that you want to move. I didn't really know what that looked like. And then you and I didn't talk about it again for a long time.
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And so I, my hope is that I will have, you know, if he decides at the end of next year that he wants to go with you, I, I will feel confident in our insecure, that our relationship is secure no matter what. And so then when he leaves to go with you, like it's not going to change anything between us. And so I think that one extra year, um,
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for me and him will be beneficial to not just me, but to him. And, and I know that you guys have your, your bond and you guys bond over sports and you know, I know Lauren's into sports and things like that. And so I just think the transition period in everyone's lives a year from now makes more sense. Yeah, absolutely.
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at the point that I knew that you were moving and I'm not going to have 50 50, I also don't have 50 50 with Lux and Crete either. So this sort of opened my eyes to, I have to scale back my travel. So there's no other option.
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And I try to do it when I, you know, if there's a three day weekend and I know that the kids are going to be with you or with Chris or, you know, whatever that looks like, that's when I try to do my three day. Obviously it's not always going to pan out that way, but I try to make sure that I'm in and I'm out. I'm not flying. I'm not getting on planes. I'm not touring.
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I canceled all my tour dates for the first six months of the year. I, this opened my eyes because I said, okay, well at the end of the day, my relationship with my son comes first and And co-parenting with you has to come second in a circumstance like this. So, you know, I say all that to say that we both have to do what we have to do for our careers.
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And I don't think that either one of us can expect the other one to, you know, just get out of the military or just stop traveling altogether. Right. Because at the end of the day, we have to have these finances in order to be able to put Lincoln first and to be able to come together to do all of this stuff. So.
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I mean, I don't want to say that I'm hopeful that you guys aren't going to like it, but I just, maybe there's a chance you'll come back.
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So I just sort of put it in the back of my mind and never thought about it again. Um, so fast forward to, you know, you, you have two more kids, you're with Lauren and 2024. I mean, for people who have watched Teen Mom, they know that the dynamics between myself and Javi and myself and Lauren and Javi have been a little rocky, I would say.
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If there was, would you come back? Would you consider it?
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I don't know about that. Because, I mean, even Isaac, who I would... For a short while there, he wanted to be with me full time, right? But he flat out told me that even though he wants to be with me full time, he's never going to not go to his dad's. Like he doesn't ever want to do that to his dad, right?
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So, I mean, it's possible that he, maybe it's not exactly 50-50, but at the point that he's driving and he's able to go back and forth kind of as he sees fit.
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What would you do if I emailed you guys tomorrow and said, I'm filing to relocate to Virginia? Ugh.
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No, I'm saying how would you feel about it? How would you feel if I said... Because I feel like there has to be some excitement about just getting away from the situation and, you know, not crossing paths ever, right? So... Would you, how would you feel about that? Would you be okay with it for Lincoln or would you be like, oh no, that's too close for comfort?
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For Lincoln? Yeah. And I told my lawyer this, and she was not really thrilled about it, but I was like, I cannot imagine a world without 50-50 for Lincoln. That is where I'm coming from. I already don't have 50-50 with Lux and Creed, right? Elijah was already stationed where you're going. He was already there.
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So to me, I was like, okay, well, is it a far stretch for me to say, okay, well then, and Chris doesn't live in Delaware. So he's already out of the state. So my thought was, okay, could I make it work where I... relocate to Virginia so that Lincoln still, I can't imagine one, my household without him and two, him not having 50-50. So that was sort of my thought process.
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And my attorney was like, that is not realistic for you. But that's where my mind went for Lincoln because why not? That's sort of where I was at. I mean, now I know based on how the judge reacted, it's not going to go well for me either. If I tried to, no matter where it was, Virginia, New Jersey, no matter what, I think the judge would be like, you've lost your mind.
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But I would be lying to you if I didn't say, well, that absolutely crossed my mind just so that Lincoln could have 50-50. It's not like I have 50-50 with all of them. Do you know, do you get what I'm saying? Like where I'm coming from on this?
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And, you know, fast forward to 2024, we go to Spain for the kids to play soccer. And I felt like that was a little bit of a turning point for the relationship as parents. Would you agree with that?
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I didn't know what was going to happen. Truly. I didn't know that you felt backed into a corner. I think when we saw all the dates on paper and looking at school year versus summer and holidays and three day weekends, it became so real to me. And I don't think that there was, I don't think it could have gone better, but I also don't, I think it could have been significantly worse.
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But you didn't give me the decision that day. You didn't tell your, you didn't give us a decision that day. You said you were going to go think about it. And so at that point I was like, oh, we're going to trial.
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Yeah, I did. But I think the deciding factor for the summer versus school year, which is what I was about to say anyways, is that I have 50-50 summers. If I got summers and you got school year, out of the 12 weeks in the summertime, he would only see Lux and Creed six weeks out of the entire year because I give the holidays to Joe and Chris. So spring break...
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Um, fall break, if there is one and Christmas break, I'll go to Chris and Joe. So I'm not, even if I got Lincoln on those weeks, the brothers and his brothers wouldn't be there. So me fighting for Lincoln during the school year was so that he could still continue to have that relationship with his brothers for right now. And I think, you know, for,
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The time being, I think it's crucial for him not saying that Eli is not important because he absolutely is. But I know that, you know, Lux and Lincoln have a bond as well. And he's they're closer in age. And so if you remove Lincoln from the school year and he was only here in the summer, he's only having them. He's only going to be around them for six years. six weeks out of the entire year.
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So that was a point to consider. If Lincoln goes with you for the summertime, he has the entire summer with Eli and Maisie. And I do, I do understand the point that like, as he gets older and puberty and friends and, you know, driving, and I know that you don't, I've tried to bring it up to you before, but like, that's going to come quick. Right.
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So to me, I was just trying to, you know, soak up these last like year, maybe two of that, like of, of developing our relationship, the security in our relationships, bonding with the brothers, because I do think that there is a very high chance, if not an almost certain chance that he will decide to go with you next year.
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And so just making sure that everything is, you know, he has that extra time with his brothers for one last school year.
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So me getting the school year is not a win. And I know that you might view it differently, but it's not a win. It's not a win for either of us, and it's not a win for the siblings, and it's not a win for Lincoln.
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I don't have a choice. We're all here because of you. So, and that's, I think too, like thinking about, and not that I am here to speak for Joe and his family or even V and her family, but like, I think us coming to Delaware has spider webbed into something so much bigger that none of us can control. Right. And like,
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Before we get to the reason why you came on Barely Famous today, I want to start at the beginning. with our story and then also how, you know, Lauren got involved, how Elijah is here turning points in our dynamic. And then we'll get into, you know, I hate to call it an announcement because I don't think that's what it is, but the reason you're here. So
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I don't make my day-to-day decisions off you and Lauren, and I don't make my day-to-day decisions off of Joe and V, and vice versa. I can't expect you guys to make your decisions off of us, but I think that there is something to be said about what we have created. And that is the spider web. So if you pull on the spider web on one side, that entire spider web is having a ripple effect, right?
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Because Joe moved here. His mom moved here. V moved here for Joe. V's sister just moved here. So there is so many layers to this. And I think it's nobody's fault, right? It's just the circumstances of life and the phases of life that we're going through is like, in order to progress in your career, you have to move. But it sucks because the rest of us don't have the option to relocate.
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So it's like you get to relocate and you are excited to leave. I would have left a long time ago if it was up to me because my career could soar in Atlanta, Texas, California, New York. Like my career could have flourished, but I don't have a choice. You get the choice of leaving and we don't. So that's sort of where it's tricky because I hear you when you say you want to get Lincoln out of here.
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Lauren and I were able to be in the same place at the same time and have a conversation and be there for the kids without any outside opinions, conversations, anything like that. And then you got to spend time maybe unintentionally with Elijah, which actually worked out. I feel like to benefit the kids, I got really sick.
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But at the same time, Lincoln doesn't know any different. He was born here. He's been raised here.
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But I don't think that they ever thought that it was a possibility that we would, like, say you and I stayed married. I don't think that anyone thought, I mean, your parents moved here, your sister moved here, your brother moved closer. Military is a different story, but... I honestly don't think that it ever crossed their mind that you could be stationed again somewhere else.
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I don't want it to come across as, like, me blaming you. What I'm saying is that you and I know that we both...
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would have moved out of delaware right but the circumstances didn't allow it now the circumstances have allowed you to move but the rest of us can't like we literally can't right because i know after after talking to the judge when we went to our pre-trial i understand now that i have zero slim slim to none chances of being able to move out of delaware yeah and so that just knowing how much better life would be outside of delaware and that that's what i wanted to give lincoln
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But now you have the opportunity for this next year to test it out with Eli.
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Silver linings. In terms of co-parenting, do you think that you, Lauren, myself, and Elijah are solid enough to be doing this? We don't have a choice, but do you think that we're solid enough to do what we need to do for Lincoln over state lines? All right, you guys, thank you so much for tuning in to part one.
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Part two is dropping on Tuesday and I'm super excited for you guys to hear who else is on part two. If you could please respect and give us some grace during this time and also just be kind in the comments, the feedback. We're real people with real feelings. We're trying to come together the best we can for our son and to raise our family peacefully.
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So if we could just keep the comments respectful, that would be super great. And we'll see you on Tuesday.
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I had strep throat and you, Lauren and Elijah took the kids outside to go play soccer. And I saw y'all from my hotel room. Like I looked down at the field and you guys were all playing. And I thought that was really cool because, I guess I just never, I didn't know what to expect for Spain in general. And then I also didn't know what to expect with everyone in such close proximity.
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And then that glass of wine progressed into me becoming a unicorn for them. Yes.
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So I think it really ended up being pretty cool. Right? Like you and Elijah got along.
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I think you spent more time with Elijah than I did. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And how did you feel about Lorne and I getting along in Spain?
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So when we got back from Spain, for anyone who's listening and doesn't know, I was having a conversation and I had said something on the podcast. I also thought that I was speaking so vaguely that I didn't think that people would know what I was talking about. And so in some ways for me to say it in the first place, I thought, okay, nobody will know.
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I literally, and I'm not ashamed to admit that I literally left you a voicemail sobbing because I was so upset over it. And I don't know if Lauren ever heard it or if y'all ever listened to it, but like, I was truly sobbing, so upset beside myself. And I remember calling the producers of the show and I was like, you know, we made so much progress. Like, how could I let this happen?
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So I still stand by that. Like I, to this day, I mean, Lauren's here, you're here and I'm sorry. Like I'm telling you to your face because I just, I was kicking myself for it because I shouldn't, It's hard because when people tell me to get a real job and they say this, that, and the third, I'm like, well, I have been paid to talk about my life for 15 years now.
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And so that adds a very complicated layer for me and I have to tread lightly. And so in order to engage in conversations on my podcast, whether it be with Lindsay or Becky or whoever, it is very hard for me. So I try to make them vague and then I forget that people that are in my life and in the situation know that it's about them. Does that make sense? I'm not justifying it by any means.
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I'm just trying to explain for the listeners or anyone to understand where hobby is coming from because I do think that it's fair for you to have those feelings. We made progress and I was the reason why we took a step back from that progress. I would agree with you when you say it's a little... Did you say it was complicated or mixed emotions?
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I think that's fair. I mean, I didn't know the Wawa jokes were like... I don't ever think of them just in terms of you. I mean, I wrote about Wawa. This is fucked up. I wrote about Wawa in my first book in 2014 about something that occurred there. And then I also talked to my podcast about something that happened with Wawa. So like for me, it's more than that.
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Okay. And then from there, you got stationed in Delaware.
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It's just like just the fact that people associate me with Wawa. It's never directed at you like it never has been, at least on my end. you'll be glad to know that Wawa is out officially and Royal Farms is in. So we are, we are very much going to be downplaying all the Wawa stuff. So that's out.
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So if that's any consolation to you and I don't want to disrespect you in any way, and I want this to be, especially with the things that are about to happen, I definitely want to respect you and respect that. So now that I know that I'm not going to participate in Wawa jokes and you have my word on that. And so does Lauren. And so does everyone in this room.
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You know, those like crazy 3 a.m. your mind is racing kind of questions. Aside from Spain and the Wawa conversation. Right. And feeling mixed emotions. Right. How do you think that we have done both you and me, but then also Lauren and Elijah have done collectively as co-parents for the last year or two?
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Yeah, no, for sure. And I understand that. But there are people who think that you don't work.
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Yeah, I mean, it felt good knowing that I didn't have anything to worry about. And not that I really ever did. I think it was always like we were really young when you and I were married and divorced. We were very young. And I think that we you and I don't get a lot, a lot of grace for that. Like, I think that people still want to hold our past against us.
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And, you know, people want to remember us how we used to be and not now. And I think that you know, seeing it all firsthand, you and Lauren together with the kids and, you know, you guys have welcomed Lux in, you know, to go to the amusement park and stuff or stay at the amusement park.
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It was really nice for me because at one point you texted in a group chat and was like, Oh God, what I say, what are you about to say? No, it was with Elijah.
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And you said something along the lines... Like, I didn't know Elijah could run like that or something or play soccer like that. Like, I think it surprised you. And so it was just... It was nice that... Because I was sick, so I couldn't even be down there. And so it was just... Oh, in Madrid.
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Do you react to comments like that, or do you just kind of let it roll off?
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Just to be clear. We're talking about Spain. And so you said you didn't know Elijah could play like that. And I don't know. It felt good for me too because our dynamic is so different than... you know, what our dynamic used to be. And so Elijah getting involved with the kids that way and playing out on the soccer field with you guys, I think Lauren was out there.
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Welcome to the shit show. Things are going to get weird. It's your fave villain, Kale Lowry. And you're listening to Barely Famous. Welcome to another episode of Barely Famous Podcast. Today we have Sarah Turney. You may have followed her story on Family Secrets on Peacock.
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I'm speechless because, I mean, for your dad to have orchestrated this so essentially seamlessly and also, I mean, not to be morbid, but like no body has been found is insane. And I feel like it also is, you know, a testament to the fact that he is in law enforcement. And so he sort of knows what to do. So your dad serves prison time. Can we talk about that? Yeah, absolutely.
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And did that further everybody's belief that he had something to do with Alyssa's disappearance?
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But where does that come from? Like, did you ever suspect something like that? What was he because obviously you were in college. So you were were you home when you were going away to college when you were away at college or did you live on campus?
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So do you, first of all, to touch on him spoiling you and you having the master bedroom and everything, do you think that that was a manipulation tactic or what do you think that was all about?
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Yeah. I mean, you're a child. You can't know any different. You're excited. This big room, you know, like that. So you don't think anything different. But obviously looking back, you're like, that is absolutely manipulation. So he basically is a completely different person towards you. And so you're not going to think any different, right? Like you're going to think the world of him.
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
And so I sort of don't even know where to start because, I mean, your story is very unique, right? So you are a child when your sister goes missing.
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
And, you know, at that time probably think that he's going, you know, doing whatever he needs to do to find Alyssa when in fact he's probably not. And, you know, that's absolutely terrifying. So when you find out about the bombs and the neighborhood is, you know, evacuated, what is his explanation to you? Do you guys have a conversation about it? Are you his first phone call?
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
Well, I think those manipulation tactics up until that point were sort of the foundation of those feelings, too, because, I mean, just going back to the bedroom alone and sort of you're being spoiled by him is, you know, of course you're going to think the world of him and that he didn't do it. You're going to believe what he said. You want to believe what he said.
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
So at that point, when you were a power of attorney, what did the rest of your siblings say about that?
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
Well, find a fucking Lee. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know what the hell is going on. So, okay. So at the point that he is going to prison for all of the bomb stuff, did you finally hit a wall where you're like, okay, I know that you did this? Or did you sort of believe in his innocence all the way up until the sentencing and up until the release?
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
And your dad was in law enforcement. Is that right? And your mom unfortunately passes away when you are a toddler. Yeah, yeah, that's exactly right. Okay. And so walk me through sort of basically what, you know, I know you guys covered this on the documentary, but walk me through what is going on in your childhood at this time after your mom passes.
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
So at that point, did you already sort of go back on believing in his innocence about the bomb situation as well? Yeah.
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
Did he ever address the bomb situation with you? Like, did he ever admit it or any anything give you any? No, he always he was innocent.
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
So you you don't you no longer believe that he's innocent with the bombs. You also have come to with your sister's disappearance. He changes the subject. He doesn't want to talk about it. And then do you ever talk to him again? Do you still try to at that point? Were you still trying to kind of get information out of him or did you just stop and you were like, this isn't going to go anywhere?
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
Did this ever make you want to pursue law and get into that whole situation? Because I just feel like this would light a fire under my ass so bad that I wouldn't even know. I just don't understand. Are you okay? Mentally, are you well?
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
You have a blended family of, you know, your dad came into marriage with kids, your mom came into, you know, the family with kids, and then they had you together. Walk me through sort of what's going on after your mom passes away.
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
Because I don't know how I would function just knowing the information that you know and having the feelings that you have and be able to function on a day-to-day basis to be able to just operate, right, like regularly, but also to sort of try to get, you know, the wheels going for, I don't know, bills to be passed or just anything to change sort of the structure of what is going on.
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
I can imagine it's Very therapeutic. I also went on your TikTok. I was on it this morning and I saw that people have written into you and, you know, said your story and you sharing your story has inspired them or made them feel, you know, at peace in some way or, you know,
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
felt closure in some way and I can imagine that that would be also healing for you is like I know that you don't have the outcome that you want but you know you're helping people all around just by sharing your story in one of the videos or it was the documentary I'm not entirely sure you Or maybe it was on this podcast. I don't know. I have ADHD. I'm unmedicated.
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
You said that your dad was gone for a lot of the time after the disappearance. Do you think that he was covering up a murder? Yeah.
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
Do you get the feeling that he's ever hurt anybody else aside from your sister?
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
And was that also sort of kept family secret or was that, you know, they reported it to police and there was investigations?
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
police, investigators, anybody came out to your house the day that your sister went missing, you would have more evidence or you would have a different outcome?
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
Do you think there was any, maybe like, was his mental health super fragile at this time?
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
Well, I'm wondering, did your dad know that they wouldn't come out? Because I'm just wondering, based on how sort of smart he was in that way, would he have Did he take the cameras down before he made the call with the anticipation that they could come out? Or did he know they weren't going to come out?
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
Or because of the note and her being a runaway, that's something that they wouldn't necessarily look into. It reminds me a lot of Scott Peterson when Lacey went missing and nobody came out for, I think, days or even a week or longer. That is so much time to hide any and everything that could have possibly...
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
been evidence that i feel like that makes a huge difference and then with you moving rooms i feel like that also is strange because how soon after did you move rooms It was a few months after.
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
yeah that's what he says he he says i'm like well what about this well the police made up that document the police lied that's always his excuse the footage and i hate to even bring it up but in the documentary there's footage it may be recreation i don't know of alissa with a guy that she was hanging out with dating your dad was taking videos of that through the vent in the in the house did he ever explain those why he would have those
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
So based on what I saw in the documentary, you know, your house is sort of in disarray. Dad's still recording though. Everything, every move that you guys make is on home video footage.
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
And was he ever like a person of interest? Because I know in the, I guess, initial questioning, he didn't have the body language of someone who you know, was of interest. But did he become a person of interest at any point?
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
Has he ever reached out to you to help with any of your efforts?
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
I mean, obviously there's trauma all around and just a 16 year old, I mean, boys already mature a lot slower than women. And so just to think about a 16 year old going through, you know, that where he was Probably in love with Alyssa, right? Like they were together for what, a year at that point?
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
And then he's traumatized by your dad because he's picking a fight. And then, you know, now he's being interrogated for the disappearance of Alyssa. Like I can't even imagine what that is, what that would be like.
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
Yeah. Well, and that's the whole thing I saw on your TikTok. Somebody said that they, you know, your story has changed the way that they consume true crime. And I always ask, like I've asked other people on, you know, my podcast is like, It's so interesting sometimes how true crime, it is such a tragedy to those that are affected by it. And then, you know, we come on a podcast and talk about it.
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
And so, like, I don't want this to be a source of entertainment because it is truly a tragedy and so devastating to you. But how do you think that we can change the way that we consume true crime for that reason?
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
Yeah, that's I mean, and that's that's the harsh reality is I think that we all walk around thinking we're invincible and nothing is going to happen to us. And then, you know, you really you truly don't know. So where does so your dad's in prison now, right? Or he's not in prison right now.
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
So it's more for lack of preparation than it was for lack of evidence? Or was it a lot of circumstantial evidence that is like, at that point, you have to believe that he did it because of the circumstantial evidence?
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
So you were also being recorded. It wasn't just Alyssa.
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
So for your listeners, for my listeners, what was some of the evidence that they could have presented? Right. Like that was pretty damning.
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
There was a documentary done on her story and she also has acquired over a million followers on TikTok because she believes that her father had everything to do with her sister's disappearance. And we're going to talk to her about her story and... how she came to that conclusion. You guys can find this documentary on Sarah Turney, Alyssa Turney on Peacock. It's called Family Secrets.
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
Listening to you tell me this is like, okay, well, could they have just waited and, like, to pursue this? Would you have rather, I guess is a better question, would you have rather they waited a year or two longer to pursue this and do it the right way than to have gone through what you went through for this trial?
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
Because now, and correct me if I'm wrong, now he cannot be retried for it unless there's new evidence?
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
Oh, 100%. And so... You are in seventh grade and your sister is a junior in high school. She goes missing. Was it normal or common, frequent that your dad would pick you guys up from school or was that in and of itself already something that stood out to you now looking back?
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
But with him traveling to California so frequently, is it possible that he crossed state lines and that that won't happen?
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
So that I mean, that's on your side, right? I just don't. Do you think that he'll confess at this point because your relationship with him is obviously strained or estranged? Do you think that he would still confess on his deathbed?
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
I don't know how I missed that. I don't know how I missed that. So what can you do anything about that? Is there anything or do you just let him do his thing? Because surely people are not on his side.
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
Well, and I think that would be good for you to have for documentation, because I still am holding out hope that you will get justice for Alyssa. And I'm holding out hope that at some point he I mean, I don't care if it's on his deathbed, he should be charged. And I think that, you know, if you if you. keep watching.
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
I mean, it's the same thing that we're seeing right now with, you know, JonBenet Ramsey. I mean, if you watch old interviews of Patsy and Jon, they're sort of not matching what they're saying now. And so at some point, you know, the foundation of those lies is going to crumble.
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
And I can only hope that for Alyssa and for anyone else that goes missing that this, you know, will be, you know, there will be a break in the case that is new or, you know, whatever that looks like. So do your siblings have a relationship with him at all at this point?
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
Was this the one in the documentary who Alyssa went to initially about the sexual abuse?
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
Okay. So he believes that your dad is guilty, but still maintains a relationship. Do we think playing devil's advocate? Do we think that your brother could potentially just be trying to be on his good side to get a confession?
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
Right. Where like today, I think it's more common to say we don't care if you're family or not. If you're toxic, we're not fucking with you. You know what I mean? And I think that's common today and, you know, younger generations than it is for because I think that what 1970 is after boomers or right around the boomer era. Yeah, my dad's a boomer. Yeah, for sure. So that is so interesting.
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
Okay, so he picks you up. Can't get a hold of Alyssa. Alyssa is nowhere to be found. You get home after calling her several times. What year is this? What year was she was a junior and you were in seventh grade? What year was
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
So you're going to die soon. And he also literally built bombs while you lived with him. That is not a big enough threat in and of itself. I guess not. And sort of the unstable mental status, I guess. I mean, you have to be unstable to want to make bombs and keep them in a house with your kids. Right. Like that's that should be something.
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
I mean, has he gotten any sort of like therapy that you know of or is he willing to do that? Does he do you think he's aware of his own?
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
That's giving Menendez psychiatry, that whole thing where they're like, oh my God, I didn't realize the corruption ran that deep. How do you go about your day-to-day life without this literally consuming and taking over your life? Or has it?
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
Okay. But still, but still reliable, I guess, right? Like the phones at that time were working, but she's not answering. You get home. Her phone is left in her room. Bag is at home and she leaves a note. What? I guess my question is, obviously, as a child, you're not thinking of your dad as the suspect at this time, right?
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
And I hope you believe that because that is the truth. I mean, 100% when I came across your story on TikTok and things like that, it was like,
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
this is so powerful and i know that it's painful and i know part of the progress can be painful but i think just you know the end goal is justice as you know and as you say and also just the healing part of it i just can't imagine being in your shoes and and sort of i don't know and i'm sure there's ebbs and flows to it too right like some days there's forgiveness and some days there's you feel healed and then other days like setbacks too just like anything else but when it's you know
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
There's no closure. And this is your sister. Is the A on your necklace for Alyssa? Yeah. Yeah, it is. I love that. If you could say anything to Alyssa today, what would it be?
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
Well, I hope that you just continue to push forward. And if there's anything that I'm able to do, like truly from the bottom of my heart, I'm not saying this because we're on a podcast. Like if there is any resources that I can offer you, I don't know what that would look like, but I'm here to help.
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
If you want me to post anything, share anything, say anything on my podcast, you know, whatever you need, I'm here to help. And I'm not just saying that because you're here. So, and if there's, you know, anything now that you want me to repost, reshare, I'm willing. is where can people follow you? Where can people listen to your podcast? Just remind people what your podcast is called.
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
Perfect. Thank you so much for coming on Barely Famous. And if there's anything else you want to say or anything that we didn't hit on, we can always edit that in too.
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
Like, you're not thinking that there's anything wrong outside of your sister maybe potentially ran away. Looking back, what is your theory on that note?
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
So thank you so much. I didn't even know if you knew who I was or anything. I just was like, let me help her get her story out there. But yeah, I mean, like I said, anything you need, I'm here. My team is here. If you ever want to like, I can share your stuff. If you have a break in the case, like whatever you need. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. This is incredibly helpful.
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
I don't have any words for that because, I mean, he had to have been watching her and known her every move to know that that even existed, that note.
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
So she knew the level of obsessed, I guess, obsessed that your dad was with her, but did she... Because we'll get into some more stuff that I wrote down, you know, with sexual abuse and things like that. Did she know, you know, the depth of and the lengths that he was going to? Or was it sort of like, you know, she didn't, she really didn't know.
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
I mean, I can't imagine she knew about the camera in the vent in the living room, right?
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
Leading up to your sister's disappearance, did anyone think anything different? Like, did you guys have issues with him? Because I know that prior to your mom passing, you know, there was a definite distinction, I guess, between, you know, before your mom passed and then after your mom passed. So none of these things were occurring before then.
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
So I'm going to welcome her in right now. Hello, Sarah. Welcome to Barely Famous Podcast. Hi. Thank you so much for having me. And from my understanding, you also have a podcast. Is that right? I do. Yeah. It's called Voices for Justice. Okay. And what do you guys cover on your podcast? Obviously, we'll get into your whole story, but I'm assuming that that is sort of what inspired your podcast.
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
There was the first thing that caught my attention on TikTok specifically was the video where there's a home recording and I think it was you that was recording and your sister says something along the lines of dad's a pervert.
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
Insults you. He says that you're like a fucking moron or something like that or something along those lines.
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
Okay. So sort of maybe his way of like deflecting or making it seem like it wasn't that big of a deal.
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
I just can't wrap my mind around any of this. And I just have to, I wish that I knew what the, it feels like a psychotic break watching from the outside, you know, sort of from the documentary, the TikToks and things like that. And, you know, I watched the clip of your dad saying that essentially you're ruining, you ruined the family because of your theory. But
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
You posted a TikTok, I believe it was, that said that you were the last person to believe that he did it. So pretty much everyone in your life had already believed that your dad had something to do with her disappearance. Is that right?
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
What was the turning point for you that, you know, when you finally, you know, the switch was flipped that you were like, OK, I think my dad did this. What was that turning point for you?
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
So I don't want to villainize anyone else in your life. Obviously, that's not my place and that's not why we're here. But is there a reason why they didn't feel the need to sort of get you away from him if that's what they all suspected?
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
I'd like, you know, I struggle with my own childhood stuff and I go back and forth with like resenting them for not doing something about it. And so I just wonder if you ever went through a period. And again, we're not here to villainize them. I in hindsight is always 2020. But have they ever explained why or have they given you a reason why they didn't try to take you from him?
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
So that was sort of their reasoning. And I guess it's so weird. I just, I did an interview with Gypsy last week and I just think under certain like different circumstances, you become a different person. And so maybe he was sort of a different person with Alyssa. And obviously that doesn't justify anything, but it just is so fascinating to me that humans work in that way. So when you had the, the,
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
Like the moment that you were like, OK, maybe he could have had something to do with Alyssa's disappearance. Did you go to your siblings and talk to them immediately about it? Do you still have conversations with them about it?
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
So you guys don't talk about it today. Do they know that you have your podcast and that you talk about, you know, your story on TikTok? And how do they feel about that?
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
so when you get the note from the house and you guys your dad calls law enforcement and I don't have a great I don't always have great experiences with law enforcement and I know that they'll cover for each other which immediately when I learned that your dad was law enforcement calls to report you know potentially a runaway and they don't do anything they don't come to talk there's a note found it's sort of like
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
put on the back burner I thought that was interesting because I feel like because he was law enforcement and it was his daughter that maybe they would actually try and then they didn't but the call that comes in from what it was a pay phone from California yeah yeah Riverside did that ever actually come in and do you think it was just a coincidence or what do you think that was
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Sarah Turney Fights for Answers
It's definitely someone in the family. I definitely think it was someone in the family. But I just thought maybe because it was unsolved, maybe you had some theory. But we can dive right into your story. I originally came across you on TikTok. And then one of my girlfriends sent me the documentary that you did on Peacock called Family Secrets. And I had never heard of a case like this before.
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
Welcome to the shit show. Things are going to get weird. It's your fave villain, Kale Lowry. And you're listening to Barely Famous. All right, Alice, welcome to Barely Famous Podcast. Thank you for being here.
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
I just think that's so funny, though. I was I talked to Frida McFadden a couple weeks ago, and she was telling me about how she had to redo an entire book she started. It was called Suicide Med. And then she changed it years and years and years and years later.
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
No, no, I don't think anyone would think that your books are bad. I also think, I mean, they speak for themselves. You go on Barnes & Noble and I think you said that it's listed as a bestseller already? Yes, which is incredible, yes. I've never seen, so far in my, you know, reading journey, I have never seen on publish day the book be out of stock on Amazon.
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
Oh, my hairstylist was like, I cannot wait to talk about Rock, Paper, Scissors with you. We have to talk about the ending when I see you. Like that we're having conversations about your book.
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
So why do you know what the reasoning is for different covers in different countries?
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
Oh, I bought tickets for your event as soon as I saw it. I just can't believe it. I said, oh, we're going. I still sometimes think maybe this is a dream.
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
Somebody needs to pinch me because it's very real. It's very real.
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
They mixed up the names. Yes, yes. Did you clip out the article? Did you have that? Oh, yes. You framed it. I kept it anyway. It was the first one. Yes. That's really fun. I mean, that's just as good as Frida's story about the butt eye.
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
You should film something for TikTok or Instagram about that.
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
Because that... It's funny. I mean, at least it made it in the article, right? Yes, exactly. And that's what's most important. It's like we're featuring the work.
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
partially inspired me to read. And so I just was going to want, I was going to ask you about how.
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
I have for my book club, this BookTok sticker that I That's my BookTok sticker. I'm obsessed because I'll go look for recommendations. And if it's on BookTok, then it has to be good, right? If you thought that BookTok contributed to, you know, maybe new author success or anything like that. I know that Barnes & Noble is opening a bunch of new stores by the end of this year.
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
And I thought that maybe... I don't know this for sure, but maybe BookTok contribute to that a little bit? I think all reading is good reading.
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
It would be cool if 10 years from now you see her writing her own books. Yes, wouldn't it? And maybe you were the inspiration behind her.
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
to the events which is just i've had kit kats from every country and they really they all taste different so you eat them they all taste good oh yes she's like i'm eating all of the kit kats yes i absolutely love this though like i think that you are inspiring young readers i i can't i don't know that 12 is too young i'd probably i have an 11 year old i have a 15 year old
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
Are we allowed to talk about the Netflix? Oh, yes. Okay. So his and hers is going to be a Netflix movie or show?
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
I can't believe that's incredible. And I also just think that it's so nice to see all of the, you know, Hulu, Netflix movies.
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
wanting to do the adaptations to books now because so many people are reading these books we want to see them on our screens yes and sometimes you read books and you're like I really liked this but it could be better on it on a screen yes and I mean I love it I mean I love reading books like this I love watching tv shows like this I love watching films like this
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
There is something special too, though, about collecting the same book from different countries. I just never understood what the reasoning was. Or is there no rhyme or reason? They just do it.
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
So when you get optioned for a movie or a TV show, do you end up getting to choose whether it's a movie or TV show? Or is that sort of up to like the director based on the script? Because I did have Colleen Hoover on and she was telling me how, you know, if she got a movie for one of her books, you know, you go from 300 pages to a 100 page script for a movie.
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
And so it's a little bit different where I and I don't know this for sure, because she didn't say that. But
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
That's why I looked at Claire because I don't know if it's not out yet.
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
I absolutely love that. And so do you get a say in how this gets... design because I've talked to other authors on the podcast and they say they have nothing to do with the cover. But you get you sort of got to say, right, like you were like, I want the same thing across the board.
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
If you need anyone to make a cameo, I'm available. Excellent. So I can be anybody you want in this book.
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
Perfect. You could have a podcast on the Isle of Amberley. Perfect. I love that idea. That's so funny. So I Know Who You Are was written and... let me not say written, but it was published in 2019. Will we see that on our big screens anywhere?
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
I've never been to Scotland, but I would absolutely now I want to go now. You must. You have to go. OK, then I know who you are. Did I say I know who you are? Yes. OK, Daisy Darker, you said you don't really want to bring on screen right now. That's OK. I I'm excited for Rock, Paper, Scissors. Is that going to come out?
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
And you've already finished the next one after this? Yes, I have.
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
I think the years go by really fast. I mean, I don't know if it's because I have seven kids or what it is, but I feel like the years just go by so fast.
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
Would you ever do a book about your life or a character sort of like your life working for the BBC?
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
Do you pick who narrates them? Yes, I do. Oh, you do? Oh, interesting.
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
I think that's pretty normal, though, because you just never know how people are going to
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
I'll call her my co-host for book club I mean she ate it she texted me she's like this is so good thank you and I was like I'm sure she'll love that and I'll tell her that you said that when you start writing do you plan your twists out ahead of time sort of before you have the full story or do the twists come as you go most of it is there so I tend to think about the books for one or two years before I start so even when I'm working on one book my head is already planning the next one
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
Take it from my first grade classroom. Yes, exactly. Because I just wanted it for whatever reason.
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I just watched A Good Girl's Guide to Murder by Holly Jackson. She has the show on Netflix. And one of the main characters is trying to solve the crime. And she has like a marker that she's like drawing on the wall with like pictures and arrows and sort of like what you're describing. Yes. And it just looks... To us, like a mess. But to her, it made sense.
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
That's so funny because when my friend who you were commenting on had tabbed, this is Emily's copy, and she tabbed it all. And she's like, if she could sign this one, she opened it and she said, Is this fantasy? And I said, I don't think so. I don't think Alice writes fantasy that I'm aware of.
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
They're going to love it, though, because they're... There are people that listen that are like, we want to write a book. What do we do? Well, you need a board.
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
I should move here. We could also get you, in America, everything I feel like is bigger. So we could also get you a bigger jar. So the six finger ones would be able to fit in the jar. Yes.
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
We could definitely do that. I don't know that you'll be able to get it back on your plane, but.
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
So it was all good. I was going to say, I'm sure she'll remember that forever too. But I just have to ask then, do you know what a Tootsie Pop is?
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
In my opinion, they're better than a Blow Pop. They have a Tootsie Roll, which is chewy chocolate in the middle and then a lollipop on the outside.
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
I'm going to bring one to your event and I'll sneak it to... If I see Claire, I'll sneak it to Claire so she can give it to you. Amazing. That can be my thing to look forward to. Yes. But you have to promise you're going to try it. I will. I'll try anything. You don't have to try it today, but you'll have to try it another, you know, whenever you're out of your event. But I would argue...
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
that a tootsie pop is better than a blow pop because the the thing about the blow pops is that the gum gets really hard really fast all these things i never knew yeah yes i'm worried that you've missed out a little bit i think i think i could have this very sheltered life i've had in britain but we don't have these magical things that are here the tootsie pop is good though okay i'm gonna give it a while
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
All right, let's talk about hair because I want my characters.
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
I don't know if you have this same experience when you read, but sometimes you'll remember the story, but maybe not always the characters' names. And so I was like, wait a minute. So when I started reading it, I was like, okay, if... I thought maybe I forgot Henry's name. And I was like, wait, is this the same cabin from Rock, Paper, Scissors? And then with the red jacket. So I was like, hold on.
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
You never know. You never know. That's incredible. And they're going to love that. You just made their whole year, I'm sure, when that book comes out. They're going to be so excited.
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
So I had to go back and see, but it's not the same. But if you like Rock, Paper, Scissors, you will love Beautiful Ugly. You will absolutely love it.
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
It just adds to everything. Yes. It really does. And... The thing is, sometimes, and I can't speak for all readers, but sometimes I'm in the car a lot. So I was telling you before we started podcasting, I drive to New York several times a month. And so sometimes I'll start a book, like a physical copy or on my Kindle. And then if I'm in the car for three hours, I'll listen to the same book.
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
So I'll buy the physical book, but I'll also buy the audio. And so sometimes when you do that and you hear...
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
because I was telling you earlier, my son and I watched A Good Girl's Guide to Murder, which is YA. It was like right up his alley. But he was, I didn't read it. I had only seen the show and he was telling me, oh, that, you know, that wasn't the way that I pictured it in my head or, you know, something like that.
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
And so I think audio is a little bit different because you can still picture it in your head the way you want, but it's still like a fun way to do it. Rapid fire really quick. Is that, would that be fine? Oh, yes. I don't know what that is, but let's do it. But what is the best piece of advice that you received as a writer? I think you can do better from that lady.
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
Oh, same. Yeah. I do love a good Coke. What's the Coke like in England?
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
Absolutely not. Oh, no. Okay. The best Coke you can ever get on the planet is in Disney World in Florida. Oh, okay. And then I would say second to that is McDonald's Coke. I did not know this. In America.
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
Yeah. I think they do add a little bit extra syrup. I don't know that for sure. Don't sue me. But I would guess that they add a little razzle dazzle to it.
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
But I don't like a straw with soda because I feel like the paper straws specifically that are better for the environment, they take the fizz out of the drink.
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
You have to. What is one thing that you cannot write without?
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
Which is also, there's a dog in Beautiful Ugly. There's also a dog in Rock, Paper, Scissors. I don't remember a dog in Sometimes I Lie.
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
Or the shed. Yeah, okay. Which there, is it a shed here? Yeah, not a shed, but there's, he's always writing a cabin. Yes, yes. And same for Henry Winter in Rock, Paper, Scissors. Yes. Right? Yes. He likes the...
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
And you said this was your first podcast. Yes. This is your first podcast. I'm very excited about that. I have been so immersed into the book world that I'm so excited that you agreed to come on.
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
I saw the collage you posted of all the, I think that you posted it. Yes, I did. And it was a collage of every single one that you probably had seen, or maybe they didn't fit all in there. But I was like, wow, that's incredible. Yeah.
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
Well, thank you. And I will see you at your event later tonight at Barnes & Noble.
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
When you walked into the space to podcast, you said something along the lines of not having an Uber in your head, right? Like you just don't do Uber.
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
Yeah, I mean, it probably sounds like my worst nightmare, not having Uber when I need it. I like the idea of the quiet, secluded place, but it also, the whole plot, or I guess the setting,
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
everyone knows everyone and everyone knows everyone else's business and everyone probably knows more about you than you realize and I think in the book if I remember correctly is 25 people on the island yes yeah I could not imagine like it sounds good in theory but then when you need something and you have to walk two miles or one mile to get to the nearest road to be picked up to even get to a fairy I don't know it sounds like the perfect plot in the perfect setting for a thriller which it is yes so I love that oh thank you
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
So you worked as a journalist before becoming an author. So what was that transition like?
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
Okay, I was going to say, what do you... What does lovely mean? Because I feel like a no is kind of terrifying sometimes.
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
Definitely. So we're here to talk about Beautiful Ugly, your new book. And... If you're going to get this on Amazon, you're going to have to pre-order it for the next launch because it's sold out.
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
I just read it not too long ago but that is so interesting because I just feel like after a couple of no's I would have Just said, okay, I guess this isn't for me. But for some reason for you, it just propelled you to work even harder.
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
And that's not too far off from Grady Green because Grady Green says that he basically pushed away all these relationships because he was writing.
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
And you're like, hold on, I have to type this really quick or it's going to be out of my brain. When you said that the badly behaved one, when you said then you wrote Rock, Paper, Scissors, I thought you were going to say that Rock, Paper, Scissors was the badly behaved one. Rock, Paper, Scissors is one of my favorite books.
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thriller suspense novels because it is so different than any other one that I've read.
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
And it was what our book club of the month pick in I think November was last year was obsessed with the ending because I do not like
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
books that explain everything at the end and give you a play-by-play of what it is that happened it's like you're supposed to figure that out on your own like kind of deduce down what you want and so I some people love it and some people hate it I loved it I ate it up it was so good thank you it was it was another one where I submitted the book and this time I had little drawings at the top of the chapters do you remember yeah like the little sketches yes every character had their own little drawing at the top but again not normal for a
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
enjoy this story about Grady Green honestly though the I even if I didn't have you here today I would have bought this book solely for the cover because the cover is stunning and it has like a little a little um shimmer to it I absolutely love it I love the little like rip through here I think it's so good.
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Alice Feeney Is Barely Famous
yeah no and i love i mean the same thing for this because you have the little map yeah and i love it i got the pr box from beautiful ugly and i about died because it has like the painting with the uh yes not the painting the pottery the pottery and the bog myrtle tea i love my team they come up with all these brilliant fun things it's like christmas they send me these gifts they sent me a um
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I really also don't understand what would be the problem in having a conversation if she's not attending Isaac's games or whatever it was many moons ago. Not even relevant anymore. Correct. But for the sake of the story.
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To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
If that was... the case, you would have never felt comfortable going on a baby mama's recording and addressing that and going to her and saying, hey, like I have this issue and I would really like to talk to you about it. And I think it would be very helpful for people who are listening, also dealing with co-parenting. This is how I feel about it. How can we work through this?
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To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
That was never an option or you didn't feel comfortable enough to do that.
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To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
Um, back to what I was saying, all the show was presented to me to make it different than coffee combos was that you guys were going to be getting into the nitty gritty of the co-parenting situation where it would be more of an educational podcast for parents who are also in co-parenting situations.
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To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
Everybody's co-parenting situation looks different, but I do think that there was a place for that had it been done well and had it been done right. Um, But when you're not doing what you're actually doing in your life and presenting something differently on a show for the sake of having a show, there's no use for it.
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To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
Why? I think because Barely Famous is or has become solo your life and the things that you deal with personally, whether that be in business or just in your personal life. I do the same thing on Southern Tea. And I think the dynamic is just very different on coffee combos. And I think it is a necessary outlet for you to do this.
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To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
I think that there is a big disconnect and I'll get into the fact that I had conversations with you and V in the midst of this blow up of baby mamas. I think that V feels that the issue is with Joe and you feel that the issue is with her. And I think that is a huge, Huge disconnect.
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To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
Ohio. Ohio. Oh, wow. I was unaware of that.
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To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
While I do believe you do have co-parenting issues with Joe, I think the falling out of baby mamas was unrelated to that. I think it was the lack of co-parenting on V's part and the involvement that you wanted her to have.
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To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
And I think I want to very gingerly dance around because it's not my business about you guys going to lunch and having personal conversations and then not being able to have the follow through when it came to a co-parenting issue. I think that that was the straw that broke the camel's back on the situation.
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To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
And this is actually something that I've wanted to say to you for a long time, and it's just never come up naturally. I think you need to stop self-identifying as the villain because I do think that you went through that era for a long era of your life. And you were self-identifying with that, so you were okay with that behavior. But I don't think you're that person anymore.
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To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
Okay. So we're going down memory lane, a lane that I don't like to travel. So we had coffee combos since 2017. Mm-hmm. Kale decided, actually, I really don't know the truth of what was decided for baby mamas. So I would love to hear that from your perspective. I know when it happened that I was completely blindsided by it.
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To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
I think that you guys did a huge disservice to the listenership, and I shared this with Kristen, that I felt it would have been in the best interest. You guys did Baby Mamas for, what, four years, right? There were...
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To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
moments of time during those four years that you guys did not want to be in the same room and did not want to record with each other and there was conflict and stuff going on I personally feel like um had you guys recorded the last episode together whether that be virtually or in person that Your delivery would have come across way different because it would have been a neutral.
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To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
You guys would have gone into that conversation the same way. I would hope that in an ending of something that you would go into it very much the same way. And you guys could have had banter with each other back and forth and given the listeners what they truly deserved. And then they didn't get that. And then the tone shift from where you were and then where she was.
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To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
That was. It pissed me off. Disheartening. I know that you're pissed off by it. And I think that the tone shift from you and then to her part and then also the silence, like the combination of all of that, I think it's making you more angry every day.
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To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
And I found out when the trailer dropped, when everyone else found out about it.
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To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
So what's so interesting about the financial aspect of y'all's business is We could have similar businesses, but the way that we have ran the businesses differently is just so crazy because you and I don't have that dynamic. If there is something that needs to be spent, just like, okay. We just split it right down the middle. Yeah. But that wasn't the dynamic for Baby Mamas. I just think...
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To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
With the situation with the financial aspect of the business, right? You had already been doing podcasting for years before Baby Mamas came along. And there were already expectations that were kind of set in your mind. So I think that you probably went into that business thinking that it was going to similarly be ran.
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To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
And so you probably wouldn't have cared as much about the financial stuff had you not had something to base it off of.
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To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
What's also crazy that I don't think anybody would know about is that Kale and I really have no agreements outside of said agreements with each other.
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To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
I also think just taking it back to like the start of Baby Mamas, I didn't know about it. And then it was presented to me as it was this co-parenting podcast. And I'm like, well, Kale and I are both in co-parenting situations. And we already talk about that on Coffee Combos.
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To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
However, the dynamic would have been very different in a co-parenting situation with V. So I get like why you guys would want to do that. But when it first started, I don't know if you remember me coming to you and saying that show needs to be removed from society and culture and needs to be put in a parenting podcast category if you guys are just talking about parenting.
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To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
And then it moved to like pop culture and then all of these other things. There was no division of those shows at one point and I don't think – And maybe this is just an outsider looking in because I haven't talked to you necessarily about it. But I think when you guys could not be fully transparent about the co-parenting, you guys were trying to save the show as much as you possibly could.
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To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
But then when you guys started doing co-parenting tea, was that what it was called? Co-parent tea. Co-parent tea. Yeah. When you guys started doing that, it felt – I don't want to call you all fake. No, but we – it felt forced. It felt – It felt like a forced situation, a manufactured situation.
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To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
And if you cannot speak on your own co-parenting, if you can't... And I believe this in everything in life. If you cannot speak on your own situation, you should not be speaking on others and giving advice to others. I would agree. And I think...
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To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
I also just think that it's a little odd knowing that if we're going to call coffee combos the mothership, now you do have Barely Famous. So if you want to take like personal stuff over there, that's perfectly fine because I take personal stuff over to Southern Tea, right? Yeah. But when you're taking it to a secondary show that used basically what we created as a launching point and then.
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To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
capitalizing off of it in that way capitalizing off of it but then possibly breaking news about pregnancies over there if i'm willing to share like nitty-gritty stuff on coffee combos but the co-owner founder of the other show is not willing to speak on anything why would that be uh expectation that you were going to leak pregnancies.
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To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
And I also think that that's a little bit sticky considering the fact of what transpired with V and Javi.
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To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
And I mean, in fairness, I would have. Try to talk me out of it. Knowing what I know now. Yes. But hindsight's always 20, 20, right?
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To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
But how did that even go down? I would like to know the details of like, was it an Instagram message exchange? No, it was in person. No, but like to know to go to Target.
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To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
But at that time, was there beef between you and V that would cause that?
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To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
So then when you got pregnant again, then that was the revenge? Mm-hmm. But you didn't leak.
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To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
I also want to address because multiple times we've all been called liars like in various different things like with your pregnancies.
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To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
I mean people have to understand that like we run businesses together and there would be no way for – Me not to know that you were pregnant or for Kristen not to know that you were pregnant. People who are working with you on a weekly or daily basis. Like, yes, that was things that we knew very early on, but it wasn't our place to tell it.
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To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
I also think that you kind of took the position of if I'm going to leave teen mom and I'm going to leave that paycheck behind, there should be some privacy that I haven't been able to have since you were pregnant with Isaac.
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To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
Do you know what I mean? But I also think that you were processing that while simultaneously trying to do it. So I don't think it was a... Because I watched you. I don't think it was... No, I don't.
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To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
I think that you have been so much more transparent because you're also in control of your own story. And I don't want people to twist in control of your own story to perceive that as a lie. I think with TV, there are certain ways that things are edited for fun. the viewer and so much is cut down when you're sharing a show with a collective cast, right?
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To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
And with long form content like podcast, you have had the opportunity to be able to share on your own time when you have been able to process and then do so in a way that people can understand the full story. And so I do think this is the right time because it's the right time for you because the opportunity finally presented itself for you to be able to do so.
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To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
Can you believe that we have been podcasting since 2017? No. We both have secondary shows and have never... Well, actually, you have a lot more shows than I do, but have never been on each other's other shows.
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To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
Well, and I think that was the issue that I had. If you're going to do something else, make it different from what you're already doing. And it just very much felt to me like maybe possibly someone, I don't know who, saw success somewhere and was like, oh, we can duplicate and replicate that same thing. But why?
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To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
And it simply was business beef. Like there was no personal beef with V. I didn't know enough about V to have personal issues. I had issues when it came to business and making it feel like it was copy-paste. Like you didn't come up with a new idea. Like you're not rewriting a – like it was a rewrite of – A novel is what it felt like. And so I did have an issue with that.
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And I will be clear that I had an issue with that. I also wanted to be clear. We have basically been called frauds because we all did Ohio together.
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To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
I went to Ohio on my birthday, on my own dime, on my own time, because you were starting something new and I wanted to be there to support. In fairness, I had no idea I was going on stage. I just rolled with it. V pulled me up there.
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Yeah, and it wasn't to be intentional to take spotlight off of anybody.
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To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
I just want to clear it up for anybody who's listening that that was not the intention at all. It was my birthday. It was the start of Kiel Touring. I wanted to be there. I thought it would be fun. There was no longer beef between Bea and I. It would be a great time for us to be able to see each other in person. It was a great time. Yeah. Oh, 100%.
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And I thought I was throwing everybody off because I was posting like I was going to Vegas and I was really in Ohio. So obviously I'm not the national bamboozler that I think that I am. Some people really had no idea. No, a lot of people knew.
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To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
We actually are National Bamboozlers sometimes. Yeah. You know?
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To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
No, I think that you guys were trying to make Fetch happen and it like just never was happening. And then it came to a head and now it's all done. I just want to be very clear that I don't have any beef with Vee. I wish her well. I hope that she continues vibing. I don't know how that will all transpire. I hope the best for business, but also individually, y'all's personal lives.
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To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
And if y'all can't get along, then you truly do need to cleave way from each other and move on so that you can both be successful in your own way, whatever that looks like. And you guys do need to remember that She's still involved in a co-parenting situation that you are in. And it's just disheartening.
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To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
I wanted to speak a little bit on the fact that as much as I hated the idea of baby mamas when I found out about it, I was a soldier trying to save that business.
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To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
Which was kind of my point. My idea behind Baby Mama is kind of falling apart in that process because it was like over what felt like a fucking year, but it was really like a week. I was like, why can't you guys just be authentic, go on there and say, we cannot talk about this. We have not talked about this for a long time. Let's rebrand the entire show. Yeah.
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To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
Let's come up with a completely new concept and still be able to work together. And I think that I actually had both of you for a small period of time.
Barely Famous
To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
Yeah. I said it to her too. And what did she say? That she would be willing to like make changes, but you guys had to have mutual respect. And I think that – and you felt that way as well, that there needed to be mutual respect and – Sometimes respect looks very different for all people that are involved. And so the respect that you could give her, she might not have been willing to receive it.
Barely Famous
To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
And the respect she could give you, you might not have been willing to receive it. And so I still wish it wasn't over and I still wish that you guys did something different. But I also want to speak on the fact that Becky should not be getting hate for stepping in to do a new project because that had absolutely nothing to do with the fallout of baby mamas.
Barely Famous
To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
It is my opinion at the point that Kale and Becky came back together and started rekindling a friendship that was a longtime friendship that went through a period of brokenness. You and Becky were going to do a podcast before baby mamas ever came about. And that was something that you were transparent with me about.
Barely Famous
To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
And I just hope for the people who are listening to this, who support Coffee Combos, who listen to Barely Famous, who listen to Southern Tea and all other shows that are on Killer, that just because Baby Mamas ended does not mean that there cannot be great content for the people who are subscribed to that feed. And I think they're going to be very surprised at what you and Becky have planned. And
Barely Famous
To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
I'm excited to see it. And I hope that people can give grace where grace should be given. And Becky should not be targeted in any way. It is not a replacement of a co-host. Baby Mama's ended. That show is gone. And all of those assets were turned over to Kale, rightfully so. Willingly.
Barely Famous
To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
And I think sometimes people process things very differently and maybe she does not know what to say or how to say it. Have you ever been at just like a loss for words? And I think that might be what she might be experiencing and I don't want to speak for her.
Barely Famous
To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
I also just want to say as far as people saying that, and I've seen comments, people saying that the subscribership for baby mamas was robbed by a new podcast. That is absolutely not true. And people have to understand that KLMV made a collective decision to end a business very abruptly with contracts that are in place. And there's a lot of back-end things that people do not see in podcasting.
Barely Famous
To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
And I think that grace needs to very much be given there. There also was an entire Facebook group that was created for that show and everything was turned over and will be turned over to karma and chaos. And you're moving forward in the best way that you know how.
Barely Famous
To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
And you have also personally said to me that you are perfectly fine being able to address what you need to address in therapy and support vibing on killer. 100%. Well, I think that some people just choose to be angry at anything that they can be angry about. Projection.
Barely Famous
To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
It's kind of like we said earlier in this episode that if someone is committed to hating you, you could go out and hang a fucking moon. It's not going to change their perspective about you because their commitment is to hating you.
Barely Famous
To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
Absolutely love that. As Kale says many times in this episode, full transparency. We are going into 2025 fully transparent. For those of you who listen to Coffee Convos, I will be discussing next Thursday the actual truth behind my co-parenting situation and my sex life with my ex-husband. So if you guys would like to listen, that will be next Thursday, wherever you get your pods. Same.
Barely Famous
To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
Well, I think that we have seen, because we do have secondary shows, that people who were invested in coffee combos with us as a duo wanted to... have access to us in other ways on other shows. So naturally that following went from one show to the next show to the next show to the next show.
Barely Famous
To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
And my biggest issue was someone coming into the podcast space who is not a podcast veteran and being able to capitalize off of that. I don't like it.
Barely Famous
To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
I don't think that it would have changed anything if we had a conversation. I think that you still would have done the show. And I think, um, when you hear an idea and you're like, wow, this will be something like new and something cool and something that we can provide because we do have a child that goes 50, 50 between these homes.
Barely Famous
To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
And a lot of parents, I think it's like 51% of the population who are dealing with co-parenting issues, um, I get it. And we don't share that dynamic. So that could have worked. But it only could have worked if you were willing to come to the table fully transparent and she was willing to come to the table fully transparent and you were both 50% providing that transparency.
Barely Famous
To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
It is absolutely very necessary. I'm tired of getting DMs. I'm also tired of getting comments and DMs. I'm also tired of going on Facebook and seeing the things that I see on Facebook.
Barely Famous
To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
I think looking back on it now, and I was not an advocate for baby mamas whatsoever. Cool.
Barely Famous
To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
But I think to me from the, from an inside perspective, um, Nobody else can see that, right? I look at it and I'm like, wow, that is completely based off of false pretenses and it's fraud.
Barely Famous
To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
I disagree with you a little bit about the friend situation because I think that you both had a desire to be each other's friend but did not know how to make it happen to be each other's friend. I don't want to get into the nitty-gritty of things that I know about you guys going to lunch.
Barely Famous
To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
I feel like that was an effort to be friends. And then you feeling this resentment in the business because things aren't being shared and you feel like all of your stuff is being aired out and the other person isn't airing out any of their stuff. I think it built further resentment and that was probably the straw that broke the camel's back.
Barely Famous
To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
I also think that it probably could have been remedied had Joe been brought in to the mix. If that was the issue, then Joe needs to be there to speak for himself. Because if you're putting yourself in a situation and agreeing that we are going to talk about co-parenting but you don't feel comfortable to talk about co-parenting without your partner...
Barely Famous
To Be Fully Transparent with Lindsie Chrisley
which I can understand because it could get sticky, then let him be there to talk for himself.
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
Welcome to the shit show. Things are going to get weird. It's your fave villain, Kale Lowry. And you're listening to Barely Famous. All right, Kate and Ty, welcome to the Barely Famous Podcast. Hi. Thanks for having us. I should say, Kate and Ty break it down. Welcome to the Barely Famous Podcast.
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
Yeah. Was Carly present? Yes. So your therapist would have suggested for you to say that in front of Carly?
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
This always comes from the people who are enabling the addict or the alcoholic.
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
Because I always have, people always have words for me, the ones that are enabling my mom.
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
didn't get to air on T-Mom, you'll be able to say, or maybe something that someone else says will trigger something that happened with you guys, right? Oh, yeah. I think that's like, trigger a memory, I mean, not trigger you.
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
Yeah. No, I respect that. I think just knowing your boundaries is, you know, the best thing you can do for yourself and for your kids.
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
We're easily triggered. No. I mean, I am, but... No, no. Neither here nor there.
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
Well, because... So acknowledging that would require them to have some level of self-awareness that they clearly didn't or don't have. I mean, I don't know them, so I don't want to speak to them right now, but maybe at that time they didn't have that level of self-awareness and that would cause, they would have to look at themselves.
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
But it was way easier for them to place a blame on you.
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
Well, I also think that, I mean, you can apologize until you're blue in the face until you make those changes and your actions are the apology. It doesn't, it's sort of a moot point.
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
So when you guys are going through everything that you're going through now with... you know, Carly's adoptive parents, what does that do with your relation to your relationship with your parents? Like, does Butch have anything to do with, like, do you ever talk to him about it?
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
Well, I think humans are like creatures of habit. Right. And so sometimes chasing the chaos or that fear of the unknown becomes the pattern. And that's sort of what we're used to. And so anything normal or calm or constant sort of feels foreign. And you're like, wait a minute.
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
What was your childhood like? I know your mom was an alcoholic, but what is the relationship with your dad?
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
So you have other siblings? Yeah. So you have a brother from your mom? You have five. You have five siblings?
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
Was she also traumatized by her mom? Very much so. So that... Okay, you know how people say, oh, like... You talk about trauma and they call it trauma bonding, but that's like not actually trauma bonding. Trauma bonding is when you go through the trauma together. Right. That whole thing. Do you think that that's sort of why you guys bonded the way that you did?
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
Like you didn't get to live with your dad full time and she did. Yeah.
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Uh-huh. So you're not in every... No. You guys might not be in every episode.
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Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
I'm just sort of – Floored? Sorry. I threw all that on you. By the way. I'm just thinking about how addiction has impacted all three of us and none of us have went down that road. Thank God. Isn't that so interesting though? Like I don't know – I know addicts who came from really, really wealthy, well-to-do families. And they're struggling on the streets right now. And then we came from very –
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
tumultuous yes families and childhoods and we did not go down that path and I wonder what that was what what the difference is and I think it's and I think it's sad because you're like you know I didn't go down that path my stepsister didn't go down that path um
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
So you've experienced addiction, your parent, your sibling and your husband's family of your siblings.
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
But what else are you going to... You are undoing years.
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
Yeah. I mean, we're talking like over a decade worth of trauma from addiction and everything else. So it's going to take just as long or longer to undo that and unpack that and digest that.
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
All you do is talk about your trauma. Like how else? That's what people say.
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
Right. And so it was like, we very much could talk to each other and relate to each other. Then y'all were trauma bonded by the adoption process.
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
That's it, right? Cheyenne. Oh, Jade. Shit. There's nine people on the show. Wow.
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
We need to talk. Time out. We have to talk about this. It's ketamine, right?
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
Yes. Tell me about this because I thought ketamine was like the zombie drug.
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
No, he freaked me out the first time when he said he was going to do it. I was like, horse tranquilizer? I'm like, you're going to do horse tranquilizer. Do people get high off that? People can, yeah, on the street. Oh, yeah.
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
But is it like fentanyl where there's like a medical use for it and then a street use for it?
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
So I'm thinking that you were like using the street drug to medicate yourself. And I was like, I don't know if we should go down that path.
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
Did you talk to Becky about this? Because she used to microdose.
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
Okay, yes, okay. So you guys should talk about that another time. So is it like that?
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
I'm in a zero gravity chair, mindful music. Do you feel different or is it just sort of like subconscious changes?
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
Wait, you weren't there? No. Because you just got fucked up. Medically. Professionally.
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
Well, so I always, always, always related to you guys specifically on the addiction stuff because I felt like when your season of 16 and Pregnant aired, like the very first one episode shows, you guys were the only ones that really sort of shared the same thing.
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
Like when you get high, like when you smoke, have you ever smoked weed? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I just wasn't sure. Um, like when I would get high, I would be like, can this go away? Like I'm tired now. Like I'm over it.
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
But does that scare you? Did it ever scare you and like make you want to keep using that stuff? That type of drug?
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
What is going on? What the fuck is LSD? Is that the thing you put on your tongue? It's acid.
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
No, no, no. Because there's so many. We have a lot to unpack here.
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
Start one by one. We're going to go back to the ketamine. Okay. But first I need to know where you were and why you tried LSD.
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
And he was like, here, I have LSD. And you were like, okay.
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
background I guess as me with I don't whose parent your dad was an addict right and your mom my mom too so I felt like you were the only ones that I really resonated with in that way I don't think that there are a lot of um cast members on the show as as a whole like in the franchise I really struggled with that and so I feel like I always resonated with your story because of that
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
I need to go to sleep. That's how I am with weed. Like, I cannot get fucked up because it just let me get it. Just stop. Just make it stop. But the problem is, is that you cannot sleep.
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
So you hated it. You loved it. And you were like, I'm definitely microdosing on ketamine.
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
Everyone told me to ask you about it because I talked about ketamine on my podcast because I had no idea what the fuck it was. and I didn't know what it was. So now we can talk about ketamine. Okay, so you go into this environment where it's controlled. There's professional. You are strapped in. There's music.
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
How many times did you have to do that to get to where you are now?
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
Do you know if you said things in therapy while you were on the ketamine?
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
I don't know that I want to discover the things that I don't remember.
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
And so it's really interesting that we have that in common. I feel like I always resonated with your story.
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
When you say abused, you mean like fit, like sexually abused. You were sexually abused.
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
So do they say to continue doing it or do they say it's like sort of at your own discretion?
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
For those of you guys who don't know, Kate and Ty just dropped their own podcast. Super excited. Yeah.
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
Becky swears by mushrooms. Like swears by them. We weren't friends for five years. So I missed that chapter of her life. But she was telling me about how just like microdosing really, really helped. Dang, I wish I would have known that before talking to her today. Well, now you know next time you guys go. Or we could do like a swap where it's like both of us and both of you.
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
We could do it in Louisiana. You guys could talk about it.
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
Because I've never experienced anything with psychedelics before. I smoked weed and I hate the feeling of it. Like I just, I don't love it. It, it. I took mushrooms too and I hate it.
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
Mine is more of like, I don't know how I'm being perceived.
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
that's lack of control yeah yeah like i don't know what i'm like if i look stupid if i sound stupid i don't want other people to see me that way yeah so i can't i i can't um relax i guess yeah no it's anxiety oh i was diagnosed with anxiety ocd tendencies and coping yeah so when i feel like my life is out of control i clear surfaces i have to like clear countertops clean Yeah.
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I was just floored because I was like, what is happening? Because I had this fantasy in my head my entire life that my dad was like this knight in shining armor that was going to come save me when I was like whatever age he's going to come. He's going to find me and he's going to take me away from all the problems only to find out that like –
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
And then I was, did I say I was diagnosed as an adult with ADHD? Oh, no, no. Yeah.
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
I would have never – I don't know enough about bipolar disorder to know, but I would have never –
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
But look at everything that you said in the past 50 minutes. Yeah. Of course you're angry sometimes because I just feel like life has not been fair to you guys, to either one of you. Yeah.
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
I mean, we've literally now, but yeah, well, yeah, now, but I feel like, but just because you have blessings now should not discredit all of the trauma and all of the really shitty experiences you've had as a child.
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
What was your mom like growing up? Was she sort of always a support system for you?
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
He has a lot of problems too, right? Yeah, and also a lot of missing teeth. So I was just like, what's going on here?
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
But not because, not by choice, but purely out of being able to provide for you guys. I watched this clip of someone recently on TikTok and it was this older woman. I'll have to find it. Don't even remember her name. I have to give credit where credit is due. But she basically said that she wasn't a good mom.
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She wasn't a nurturing mom because she had to be the sole provider of her household and as a single mom and, you know, dad wasn't in the picture. Yeah. she became, you know, she was absent, not necessarily by choice, but by default. And she couldn't be the nurturing parent. She had to be the sole provider.
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And I just think that for sort of all of our situations in some way or another, whether they're in a an addict or not, all of our, one of our parents has all like your mom, your mom to some degree was a provider for you. And my mom, you know, she, she struggled a lot with her, her own addictions and her alcoholism, but she also had to be this whole provider because they didn't have a dad.
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So the times that I lived with her, she couldn't have been present if she wanted to be.
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
See, I don't have that. I don't share that same experience. I hold so much resentment for my mom. But when other people like you guys tell me about your experience with addiction, I have more empathy for people that have addiction that are not directly impacting my life.
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
Yeah. Because like when I talked to Macy about Ryan and I have so much empathy for him and I have so much empathy for Butch and for your mom, because it doesn't directly impact me. But my mom, she was supposed to be the provider for me. She was supposed to be the nurturer. She was supposed to be my safety. So like, I don't have that same empathy for her.
Barely Famous
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And I think too, because I become a mom and I'm so involved in my kids, it makes me very angry and very resentful.
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
I asked Lux the other day. I was talking to him about my mom and he goes, where's your mom in hell? Cause he like, I was like, she's dead to me. And she, he was like, yeah, inhale. Wow.
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Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
It's like my anger is seeping down into my kids without even realizing and recognizing.
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
All the time. Yeah. So when Macy was like, go to Al-Anon and she was like telling me about it, I was like, okay, well, luck saying what he said and now this, I guess I'll go.
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
They do online ones too. That's what she said. She's like, you don't have to put your mic on. You don't have to put your camera on. You can literally just show up and listen. And she said it's more for us than it is for them. And I thought that was really interesting. I also think it's interesting that like,
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Not only are we tied together by the show and like growing up on TV together, but also our ties to addiction, like it has affected all three of us and Macy to some degree. And I just think, I don't know, there's just so much power in the ties that we have.
Barely Famous
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Yeah, we... No, right now, my small children, I'm like, I'm actually like nervous. Yeah, like terrified. Even when I... when I got my wisdom teeth out, when I've had cosmetic surgery, when I, anything, I don't take medication and I'm because I'm terrified. Right. So like even taking 800 milligrams of ibuprofen freaks me the fuck out.
Barely Famous
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And I just think about my kids, you know, we all try drugs at some point, right? Like I tried LSD and weed. I smoked weed, you know, It scares me to think that my kids – I don't have an addictive personality, so I've never really been sort of addicted to anything. But it scares me to know that genetically speaking, it could be passed down to my kids. It freaks me out.
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
It's not something that I thought of when I started having kids.
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
It's only now in the last, I would say, five years where I'm really starting to think about what that looks like.
Barely Famous
Breaking It Down With Cate & Ty
I'm not – you know what? I'm not worried about him. I'm not even necessarily worried about Lincoln. Really? It's more the younger ones.
Barely Famous
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Like I have struggled with depression, anxiety, things like that. My mom is diagnosed bipolar. She has addiction. So I'm, and then also on their dad's side. Okay. Alex and Creed have a history of on their dad's side as well. And so I think about the double effect, right? Like it's coming from both sides instead of just one. And so I worry about that.
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Right. Right. Same with our kids. And I know it sounds crazy, but that's why I literally put them in every single sport they ask to play. Oh, yeah. Because I'm like, if you guys are so busy getting like your dopamine hits, your – what is it? Serotonin. Serotonin. And then adrenaline.
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If you get that from other things, you won't seek it out somewhere else. You're so scared of them being bored and sort of that – taking them down the wrong path.
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There's so many questions I have surrounding addiction. Cause my mom came from a really good family and nobody else struggled with addiction. So like, how did that happen to her?
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I don't know what it is. I would need to pick Ryan's brain because I think I'm – I don't even know if I've ever met him. But like what would lead him down to the road?
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I only know what I've seen on TV or on social media and I thought that he came from a really great family. So like what could have happened to him?
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I've just never had a thought to be like, let me just try heroin.
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Now, sometimes that can happen, yes. But I'm telling you, there's trauma.
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My best friend from high school is, you'll have to look it up. It's called Kensington. It's a fucked up place by us. And that's where she's at. And I saw an interview on YouTube of someone interviewing her in Kensington. And I just think about the family that she came from and it was a really great family.
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And like, I've been to her house and like we had sleepovers and like, I just can't under, like I, she never talked about trauma. She never talked about anything ever. I never saw anything happen to her. So like, I can't, I think, understand it from that. And then I think about my mom and I'm like, I just don't understand it.
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I don't understand it. So it's really like I have a hard time with it.
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No, I want to know. Like I want to know how you got addicted. Did you get surgery and then you were on Percocet and then it just like spiraled from there?
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that may seem small to us so maybe one day so what's not trauma to me could have been trauma to them so who knows maybe one day you might find out what happened to your mom yeah but even then you're like I'm gonna go drink or it's like a gradual like I don't it could be gradual for somebody yeah but I think it's okay to admit that hey you're stronger than your mom but to be curious enough to know why your mom went that route but does she even know
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And luckily I just didn't get the addictive gene because otherwise I think I would have – I had access to all this stuff.
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And I just – I was so traumatized by how my mom was as a person when she was under the influence that I was just – repulsed me more than – I don't even know how to – and I think also just like being around people who took me in when my mom was not in her best state of mind was helpful. But I'm glad that we got to talk about it. Yeah, me too. It feels like therapy. Yeah.
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Not necessarily because he wasn't reaching out or does he not reach out? He doesn't. He doesn't.
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I was at the airport getting like live updates and I was like, how did it go? Like, I just wanted to hear, cause I couldn't be here. Yeah. And everyone was like, it was so good. They were all super excited.
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But here's the thing. We didn't ask to fucking be here. And if you traumatize me for my whole fucking life, I am going to talk about you.
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Like, I'm sorry, but you know, you don't get to dictate what you did to me and how I feel about it. Yeah.
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And what about your parents? Where, what is the relationship with your mom now?
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We will definitely tell you, but honestly, like podcasting is so fun because I feel like we just get like listeners get a longer glimpse into who you guys are as people because obviously it's a longer episode than what we get on. And
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I don't think I knew about any of this. Was this like a public situation?
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Do you think it was better to have each other during these times than to – Or was it harder on your relationship because you would see her kind of struggling with it and then it would take a toll on your relationship?
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No, but what's cool about podcasting too is that like people know who Kate and Ty are, right? People don't necessarily know who your guests are or maybe they have a smaller platform. And what's cool is that brings out new things about you guys that you're able to say because it opens the conversation more. And so maybe things that...
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Welcome to the shit show. Things are going to get weird. It's your fave villain, Kale Lowry. And you're listening to Barely Famous. All right, Kylie, welcome to Barely Famous Podcast. Thank you for having me. Thank you for taking your second flight to be here. I was scared, but I came anyways. It's so crazy to me. So you flew to Houston before, and then this is your second flight ever. Yes.
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But does TikTok pay in Monopoly money? Because what else? What is it? But that's also, like you said, that's not going to make or break you. If TikTok goes away, that's just extra cash flow to you guys. But you're, you know, Colton works. Yeah. And was working before you were making TikTok.
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And there are people who did, but even still, it's like, I don't think that people, I don't think that the government, maybe they do, maybe they don't, they don't realize, or people who are not in the creator fund or on TikTok the way that we are, I don't think they understand how much TikTok contributes to the economy in terms of small businesses. And you know what I mean?
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Because of TikTok, I have extra funds to donate to the California wildfires. So I've donated thousands of dollars to those wildfire, all those foundations, the programs, the animal rescues, because I was using my TikTok money.
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So I just I did you see have you are you a fan of Spencer Pratt? Who is that? From the hills? Maybe your mom knows your mom might know. Do you know? Did you watch the hills or Laguna Beach? Spencer and Heidi are... I've seen something about them, but I don't know who they are. Okay, so they were on a show on MTV called The Hills. And I think probably... I don't know if they were on Laguna Beach.
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It might have been just The Hills. Was that Laguna Beach? Just The Hills. So they were on this MTV show called The Hills. And they were sort of like filmed as the villains. And people really loved them or hated them, but mostly hated them. And they used all of their money to...
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Or did you were like, I think I'm going to try to be a content creator. And you had a conversation with him about it.
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record Heidi's album 15 years ago and then their house burned down in the wildfires like burnt to the ground ashes the whole nine he started this whole thing on TikTok getting people to stream his wife's music to make money to be able to like get a new house or rebuild their house or whatever and the album is 15 years old and it is now number one on the charts and for album and for song and people are just all over the place with Spencer you'll have to look him up but he's so funny and
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Wait, I kind of love that, though. He spent all his money to make his wife's album. Yeah. That's sweet. Oh, and I was like, you're your wife's number one fan. Number one fan. That is so sweet. But he's not asking for monetary donations.
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Y'all already have Spotify and iTunes. Just play it. And then that helps them out. It's number one. It surpassed all the Bad Bunny's new album.
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What do you think has surprised you the most about being a social media influencer?
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Have you have, have you had friends that are not supportive of you or they're like sort of haters?
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Oh, I've had people that I considered almost best friends of mine that don't support my content or the things that I do. Oh yeah. And that's,
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My sixth grade bully messaged me. Yeah. I don't know if you remember me. And I said, yeah, I remember when you bullied me. That was my response. Yeah, that's how they are. You don't get to come back and tell me, oh, hey, I hope you're doing well. Fuck you. Yeah, basically. You're going to get left on read.
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Wait, when I was 19, I had this bully who went to school with my ex and she messaged me like five years later asking me to sign up for her MLM like situation like the. direct sales. And I was just like, are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? Did you text her back? I don't even remember what the response was to that. I think I either just left her on read or I was like, no, thank you.
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I wouldn't even say no, thank you. I just sort of blocked her. Do you ever get accused of being a sellout? No, not really, I don't think. I feel like I haven't seen too much hate. You don't get a whole lot of hate, which is amazing.
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Wait, what color is yours? Gray. Mine too. I bought it thinking it was black because I did the whole thing over the phone and like online because it was like last minute. Did you get the XL or the regular? Just the regular. Okay, I got the Denali. I got it literally the day before I got surgery. I didn't get to drive it for two fucking weeks.
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but i love it brand new oh brand new yeah and i'm getting um elijah texted me and was like what kind of tints are you do you want because he's gonna get tinted out tint it for me tomorrow um but i love it i went from suburban to yukon and i like it i know i love so good i do but see tiktok is doing major things i know i think so and like landry needs to drive in a night like he needs to be in a nice car i mean yeah he will be regardless of what happens to tiktok do you feel like tiktok has made you out of touch at all
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The county is the one that's like 22,000 in the county.
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Okay, so we're both small town. I don't feel like I give small town vibes, but I think it's because, I don't know, I just don't get it. People told me that 4,000 was not small.
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The college I went to, I think, had more people than that, though.
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Yeah. Our Red Robin just closed, unfortunately.
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What is that? It's, like, a chicken place. Chicken and burgers. Oh. But it's a chain. Like, we don't have mom and pop restaurants where I live. Yeah. But I don't live in my hometown. I live in a different... My ex-husband was military, so we moved here and... I wouldn't not be opposed to leaving Delaware, but it is kind of cute. Whatever. It's fine.
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No. If you're going to go to the beach, you're not going to pick a Delaware beach. No, no, no. Alessandra's over there shaking her head like, absolutely not. Absolutely not. So who are your favorite content creators or celebrities on TikTok?
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Y'all could do, like, what are the moms of Utah?
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I love Avery Woods. Nobody can make me hate Avery Woods. I don't care. I don't care.
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And it is, it is sort of like a double edged sword, right? Because you want to be authentic, but if you say everything, then you can get canceled and cancel culture is still very real. And that's where it gets frustrating because it's like, I do think that people can grow from what they say or grow from something they did or, or said in the past.
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And I just, I don't know, it gets, it gets really sticky. It does. Yeah. Yeah. What is your, who's your dream collab dream sponsor?
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No, but I love it. I love it. I love it so much.
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GMC would be a good collab. I think so. I love Skims and Good American. Yeah, I do too. I'm trying to think what else I... Ooh, yeah, that would be good. Oh, yeah, that would. Airline would be good. That would be really good. Not JetBlue, though. They had people die on their flights or whatever. What? They were found in the cockpit, I think it was.
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Like, I'm not dying for a flight. No, it's never that serious. That's why. So you've never been out of the country? We went to Mexico on a cruise. Oh, okay. So you've been out of the country. But I don't think you need a passport for a cruise, right? No. Okay. I love that. Well. If Skims or Good American wants to sponsor Kylie and myself, feel free to hit us up. We would absolutely accept.
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Same for GMC. Honestly, I'll take McDonald's as well.
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I'll take a double cheeseburger, add mac sauce. All right, I know that you guys have heard me talk about hormone harmony before, but I just want to remind you that the hardest parts of getting older is feeling like something is wrong with your body, but not really knowing what. So everything just feels sort of off, and you come to realize it's not just aging, it's hormones.
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Women's hormones are so complex, and if anything goes off balance, the entire body suffers. And that's why I want to tell you about Happy Mammoth's Hormone Harmony. I just recommended this to Becky over at Karma and Chaos because she was talking about this. And hormone harmony is an herbal formula that fine-tunes the hormonal system, just like a musician tunes a guitar.
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And it doesn't just help with estrogen, progesterone, and testosterone. It also helps with stress hormones like cortisol, which is a little troublemaker that can contribute to weight gain and sleep issues, among other things. but Happy Mammoth is the company that created Hormone Harmony and they only use science-backed ingredients that have been proven to work for women.
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What are you watching on Netflix, Hulu, anywhere?
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So I got surgery last month and I'm a reading girly. So I typically read sometimes 10 books a month. It depends on the month. I got surgery. I didn't read for two weeks. Now I can't read. I've been scrolling on TikTok so much that I cannot focus when I'm trying to read. So I'm like, what is going on? I could not watch a show to save my life at this point.
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Isn't that crazy? Yes, that's terrible. Well, we'll do better. We'll try. So you don't know. So you don't watch like Selling Sunset or? No.
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Right. Background noise is a difference in conversation. I mean, Young Sheldon is always on at my house. We love Big Bang Theory.
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Was that a series? Yeah, it was a series. I don't know how many seasons. I think six seasons, seven seasons, something like that. I was able to get into that. I don't know why I like that so much. And what's crazy is if you look it up, it's like for 10-year-old, 10 plus.
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Is that trying to say something about me? I'm like, have I emotionally stunted? Like maturely stunted? Yeah. Um, yeah, I don't, I have not watched TV. I went to the reality awards and they did like a whole like red carpet moment and they were like asking me what I binge watch. I'm at the reality TV awards and I was like, I don't watch TV.
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No, I couldn't come up with it on the spot. I just like didn't think about it. I couldn't. I also, speaking of collabs, would love to go on Ridiculousness. Oh, yeah. You would be good for that, I feel. You think? Yeah. Okay, maybe we need to manifest that. Like, hey, Rob, if y'all are looking for anybody.
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Looking back on your social media journey, is there anything that you wish that you didn't put on the internet? There's a lot that I wish I didn't put on the internet. Yeah.
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Okay. Okay. There's definitely things that I wish. Teen mom too. Like also I wish there was some things that were not on the show. But once it's out there, there's really no going back. But stuff that was accepted back then is not accepted now though. I would also agree. So like it came back to haunt. Like you didn't get canceled the first time.
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You're definitely going to get canceled when it resurfaces, which is a scary place to be because you're like, okay, but that was 10 years ago. And I'm not saying that everyone can change and grow, but I do think that a lot of people can.
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you know the people who want to grow and the people that want to change will and that's what's scary is like I do think that cancel culture has become a little bit too much and and that's a scary place to be I will say that yeah so I saw on your TikTok also that you have a lot of projects that you are sort of talking about or not really talking about so can you tell me
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So cool. Just really to like look at when you're on the back porch. No, absolutely. So, but that's on the land that you guys are. Yes. Okay.
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Are you going to do all of your like home decor and inspo stuff on TikTok? Yes. Like will people be able to follow it? Oh, yeah. Okay. I didn't really do that whole process of designing the inside of my house. And I feel like I missed out on a lot of money not doing that. But I did like film the process. I wish that it didn't go as fast as it did.
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But I also did not love it as much as I thought I would. How long did it take? About a year.
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Well, cause I had bought, um, I lived in like a 6,000 square foot house and then it was only me and just three kids and I only had two of them half the time. And so I was like, we don't need this much space. And so I built the house that I'm in now, which is like slightly smaller, but it was like perfect.
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But how did you know how to create content? Because I've been doing this. You know, I was on TV for 13 years, and then I started TikTok just – I don't even know why I started TikTok. I just did, but I still am not like they gave me, they had to give me a shot list for what I need to get to come to New York. And then while I'm in New York and I still will miss half of the things that I need to get.
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Then I had three more kids and I was like, now I wish that I did not sell the other house because that's nine people that would fit nicely. You know what I mean? But I, yeah, it's, it's a, Some people love it. Some people hate it. I thought I was going to love it a lot more, but I would do it again still, I think. I mean, I feel like everybody needs to do it at least one time in their life.
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They say if you build one, then you have to build another because you know what works and doesn't work. And so I will say that that's been true for me. But I saw on your TikTok too that you still have plans to build, but like a different house, but not right now.
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Like I have so much. Which is so crazy to me because I feel like you've lived a thousand lives in 21, like just in this short time on TikTok. I feel like I have. Like you don't strike me as a 21 year old. No, I don't think so. But maybe becoming a mom so young has sort of not given you an old soul, but like I wouldn't relate to another 20 year old, 21 year old that doesn't have a child. I feel.
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Because they have kids, I'm sure. Yeah. So do you have friends in their 20s that are not moms yet?
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Okay. So what, how does she, I guess, interact with you and Landry then?
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I just, even though I, cause I was the only pregnant girl in my high school and I had a really hard time with that because I mean, even still some of those friends that I had at that time, they to this day don't have kids and we're in our thirties. So it's, I do find it hard to relate to people. But like I said, I have a four year old and a two year old. So Landry's right in the middle of that.
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I also have raised kids before. And so, I think now just hanging out with like-minded people, the age of the friend doesn't actually matter. It's what you have in common. Yeah, exactly. You know what I mean? So that's so interesting because I just would not have guessed that you were 21 if you didn't tell me.
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When I hear about people partying in high school, it's like I never did that.
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But I was having sex. I definitely was having sex.
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So what, what are the tips and tricks? Cause I need to know unless TikTok goes away, obviously.
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Wait. Okay. I cannot imagine being with the person I lost. I lost my virginity when I was 14 years old. I could not imagine still being with that person today. Oh my gosh. Me and Colton are like not even high school sweethearts, like middle school sweethearts. Yeah. Was there ever a time, and if you don't feel comfortable sharing, that's perfectly fine.
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Was there ever a time that you guys like broke up, got back together, like you weren't sure that you wanted to be with him? Or was it always you knew you were going to be with Colin?
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yes and what was your parents reaction oh they didn't really have nothing to say i don't guess like is that normal in mississippi like that's common like to have a boyfriend or just like i guess small town romance sort of that's a trope i would read in one of my books no i don't guess it was like normal because all my friends were like had like multiple different boyfriends and then it was just me and colton but that is so cute
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I think so. So did you, you had Colton in high school then or when you graduated? But you had Landry? Oh, sorry. Sorry. Yeah. Did I say Colton? Yeah. I meant Landry. My bad. Okay.
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Okay. Okay. And then you were just like, I'll just be a stay at home.
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You dropped out of high school and then got immediately accepted into nursing school.
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I hope my kids call me mama for the rest of their life. Like that is the sweetest thing I ever heard.
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I've heard granddad, granddaddy. Like I've heard like that's not something in the Northeast that we would say.
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Yeah, my mama is Honey, and my mother-in-law is Nini. No, Honey, is this, I literally just got done saying on a podcast I want to be called KK as a grandma. Don't call me Grandma. Don't call me Meemaw. Don't call me Nana. None of it. Because I'm never going to get old.
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so i'm not doing it i know and these are like young grandmas now so like they didn't need like a grandma name right no honey is so cute that is the sweetest okay wait we need to go back to this conversation because i think that there's such a stigma surrounding young mothers in general not just teen moms but young mom young moms in general right like i had this like preconceived idea that
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before I became a teen mom that like, I would look at girls in high school, other high schools, because I was the only one at mine. And I would be like, what is she going to do with the rest of her life? Right? Like, what is she going to do? How is she going to get by? And I was judging. And then I turned around and I got knocked up.
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So you were born in 20 or 2003. Yeah. So you're 11. What's the math on that? Nine years younger than me. So I'm 92. So would you be considered Gen Z? I think so. Or Gen Alpha? Z. I'm pretty sure it's Z. Okay.
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And then I was like, okay, the number one thing that is important to me besides my child is finishing some sort of something. So I finished high school. I tried community college. That wasn't for me. I tried dental assisting school. I ended up finishing that. And then I went to a four-year degree to get my bachelor's degree. But I just think that so many times people are like,
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Teen moms and young moms don't do anything. But that is absolutely incredible because I could not even pass chemistry to be a dental hygienist. So that's why I went to dental hygiene. I went to dental assisting school. So for you to have dropped out of high school and then got accepted to nursing school is just like it doesn't even compute for me.
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It really is. I think too, it also has to do with your interests, right? Like I don't want to learn about things I'm not interested in, but I do understand the idea that it makes us well-rounded and we need to have like the full circle, you know, know a little bit of everything. I do get that. But I do think it is – it does have something to do with like being interested in this stuff, right?
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Like I don't know about chemistry. I don't want to learn about this shit. No, me neither. I don't want to know about chemistry. But I feel like – does Mississippi have the apprenticeship for lawyer? Because you could just apprentice under somebody.
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Yeah, that's what Kim Kardashian is doing in California. Oh, is that what she was doing? Yeah. You still have to take the bar. Yeah. I was going to take the LSAT during COVID because I think it was online. So I was like, oh, perfect. And then I got pregnant again. So everything is just a little setback. I'm like, OK, when the twins go to kindergarten, then I can go to law school.
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But there's no law schools near us. It's like an hour and a half away. So, oh, that's so interesting. So then what made you decide that you didn't want to go to law school or what made you decide that you didn't want to go to nursing school or you weren't going to finish nursing school?
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Because of like clinicals and rotations and stuff? I guess so. Because the other thing is too, and maybe this is a hot take, I don't know. I feel like if you get the work done and you pass your exams, attendance should not matter because you're the one paying for it. I guess. So if you...
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pay to go to nursing school and you miss half the semester but all of your work is done all of your rotations your clinicals your all of that is done and you're doing well why does my attendance matter I think it was because it was during the I guess clinical or something you had to be there like you cannot miss I guess for your hours or something would you ever go back
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I actually think Avery Woods was a nurse. She was.
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I could never do it. I get queasy. Like, don't show me an infection.
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Motherhood changes us, I swear, because there are certain things that I could stomach before I became a mom. But as I had more children, too, it got progressively worse. Like, nurse anything related to like the health field. Don't, don't show me, don't tell me, don't ask me. I don't want to know. But also my pain tolerance changed.
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The more kids I had, you would think it would go up because I have so many kids. It went down. Really? Yeah. Oh my gosh. Like I can't sit for a tattoo. I'm not going to get a tattoo.
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Oh, see, no, I can't even. My son the other day fell and smashed his mouth, knocked his teeth back. I didn't want to look at it. Like I did it because I'm his mother, but I was like, like in my head, I was freaking the fuck out.
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It's just different when it's your own kids.
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I mean, I guess like I could, I don't like it, but I'll still stomach it for my child. I'm not going to. Yeah.
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I mean, when Landry goes to kindergarten.
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And her mom's here, for those of you watching. Her mom is here. So, okay. This is so crazy to me because I think of... Gen Z is like really young, but really we have a lot in common. Yeah, I think so. Because you, I mean, you're 21. Yeah. And you have a three-year-old, so technically you were a teen mom too. Yeah, I had him when I was 17.
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You should, though. That one's a good one. I could probably get interested in that. That one's about... Actually, and I think Meghan Markle's in that, if you're a fan of Meghan Markle. She's in there, but it's so funny. It's a lawyer show. I was obsessed with it when I watched it. I think there's like eight seasons, but it's so good. I could probably get into something like that, man.
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Do you follow Reb Maisel? No. Oh my God.
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Okay. So Reb is an attorney and she does, she reads iconic transcripts. She does way more than this, but this is what I think really got her to pop off. was she would get the transcripts from court hearings and she would read them in like a really funny and like condescending sometimes way, sarcastic way. I feel like I have seen this on my 4U page before. Oh my God, it's so funny.
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Like the people that say these wild things to the judges and you're just like, what is going on? So funny. You have to follow her name, Reb, R-E-B, and then Maisel, M-A-S-E-L. I'm gonna have to go look her up. Oh yeah. She's so funny. I think she's like, she is a practicing attorney in another, and she also has a podcast. Oh, okay. Yeah. So I don't know. Aspiring lawyers podcast up. I don't know.
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But like, I wouldn't want to be on the murderer side. Could you? Yeah. Could you defend a murderer? No, I couldn't. I'd have to be like on the family side or something. See, that's where it gets tricky for me. I've always wanted to know. I think it was Rob Kardashian that ended up dropping out of
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Just like a little bit of reasonable doubt. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. Do you follow true crime? Yes. I love true crime. What's your favorite case? Or, like, your Roman Empire.
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Oh, my God. I love her. I love her. Anything that she covers. All of it. Yes. And I started watching her when she was doing the Get Ready With Me and she was talking about true crime. Her Makeup Mondays. Makeup Mondays. Murder Mystery Makeup Monday. Don't understand. Also, that's another piece of content that I just cannot figure out is the Get Ready With Me.
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I have already told the story and I've only done step one, which is the foundation. So, like, how...
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Well, so it's funny you say that their social media is a major at school now. Really? Yeah. So at some colleges, not obviously not all of them, but they have like, they offer social media classes. Right now is the perfect time to get organized, set goals and prioritize what matters most. One of my top priorities is my financial wellness and I feel like it is more important now than ever.
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Was he the inspiration behind starting TikTok or you just did it and it just was a coincidence that it was around the same time that you became a mom?
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That's rocketmoney.com slash famous. rocketmoney.com slash famous. OK, you do some some rapid fire questions. Oh, gosh. Or this or that. What does a typical day of Kylie look like?
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I'm also a homebody that might want to run out to Target, but actually it's Dick's Sporting Goods for us that I live at. I know other people love Target. But, yeah, same. I feel like that's pretty relatable.
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like one thing a day is perfect it really is i love that though okay favorite favorite food mexican or chinese probably mexican only because that's all we have we don't really have a good chinese restaurant are you serious we have one but it's not good oh no so but you like chinese there's probably i do i love chinese here in the city is it good i'm sure i'm
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I think New York and New Jersey are like two of the best places to get food. Oh, okay. I don't know. That might be a hot take. People might be pissed off by me saying that. Iced coffee or hot coffee? Asked. Okay. I make hot coffee at home, iced coffee when I go out because I have not found – A way to make iced coffee without making the ice melt. Oh, my God. Instant coffee. What do you mean?
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Like I have stuff to do. No, people are obsessed with you. I cannot tell you before you came on this podcast, how many people were like, you need to get her on the podcast. And then I think we talked about it. Really? Oh my gosh. People tag me in your stuff all the time and they're like, get her on the podcast. And I was like, okay, like chill out. No, but I love that.
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Not old folks coffee. It really is. It really is. You know what? Your next project is you coming out with old folks coffee brand. I'm freaking crying. Okay, so mountains or beach? Probably mountains. Really?
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What if you went somewhere that you could see through the water? Yeah, I would love to do that, but. Because that's the only water I'll get in. Don't ask me to get in no brown New Jersey water. No, no, no.
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no although lbi is kind of clear yeah it can be my cousin has a house on lbi and that's pretty clear no i do love the beach i just don't like the actual beach like i don't want to be out on the beach for hours yeah i'm not i want the vibes but i don't want the actual sand you know what i mean like not always at least okay what is a deal breaker for you in a relationship like if colton was like
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I'm going to be a content creator full time.
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Instagram is not like TikTok. I don't feel like I can post the same content.
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elijah better not he better not become a full-time content creator i won't even let him open up his socials he wants like he is all private i was like we're not doing this we're not because he is just such a man of very few words and i don't know colton's personality but like elijah doesn't say much so if he was to get on socials and talk a lot i'd be like who the fuck are you you know what i mean yeah that's kind of how colton is i have to like tell him like
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or i have to be in a voiceover with him yeah like and like i'm like narrating or helping him or something i am gonna have when i get home i'm gonna have elijah narrate my a day in the life because i feel like that would be i don't that would be really funny alessandra knows alice uh elijah doesn't talk so okay bad haircut or bad dye job
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Yeah. Oh, your hair looks so good. Well, thank you. It's not real. That's okay. I cut all my hair off because I had postpartum hair loss. I did too. So when it thinned out, I was like, I better cut it off.
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I need to know how you came up with the name Landry.
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Oh, got it, got it, got it. Okay, like a little sign.
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No, I really love Southern. I love it. I probably should go through IVF right now just so I can name a baby Southern.
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What is the deciding factor for you about not wanting kids? Because I typically don't ask people about their uteruses, but because you said it, I feel like. I feel like when you know you're done having kids, you know. Is there a reason?
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That's fair. And I think that there are people who don't know their limits. And then they'll force themselves into being overwhelmed, having more kids, even though they.
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You don't have that feeling? I think the general public, I think popular opinion is that I should have stopped having kids four kids ago. But, you know, I just wasn't done.
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And you know what? I went back and forth with having another one because I only have one girl and I really wanted her to have a sister. But I think... that is a fantasy that I was just like wanting my daughter to have a sister. Right. But I think in the back of my mind, it was like, I'm done. Like, this is all I can handle. I cannot handle another child. So yeah, it sounds good. It sounds great.
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Um, in theory, but the real, the reality of having more kids when you're overwhelmed is could, it could be life or death. You know what I mean? Like people hurt their children because you don't know what could happen. Right. Like you had a great pregnancy, but like, what about psychosis? What about postpartum depression? And that was something I experienced too, is like,
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You know, there are people who don't know their limits, and I can't imagine having eight kids. Like, seven sounds like a lot to so many people, but, like, I cannot imagine having eight. Like, eight feels like a lot to me.
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No, I don't think I could. I mean, that is a lot of kids, though. But seven doesn't feel like a lot to me. Because you're used to it. It's so weird. But one feels like a lot to you. Yes. That's so interesting. Alessandra, do you think you would have just one? Yeah, at this point. I'll be 34 this year, so... Yeah, but that doesn't matter. One is so good.
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I can't. So that's something that I take a lot of time doing is, like, making sure that my kids get one-on-one time because there are so many of them. But a lot of times...
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one somebody else is upset yeah but it's like i do have to spend like be intentional about spending one-on-one time with them and that's another thing is like making sure that there's enough time for everybody to go around right because just because there's seven of them doesn't mean that i shouldn't spend one-on-one time with them exactly okay so um last like sort of rapid fire question is what is your take on crocs do we love crocs we hate them
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Like, the ones that you, like, wear in your bedroom. Like, bedroom slippers. Yeah. Yeah. Is house shoes. Yeah. So you would wear them out?
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So you would wear Crocs? Yes. I'm a Crocs stan.
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But if you're just casual going to run an errand, would you slip your Crocs on?
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Landry he will wear Crocs anywhere though Landry is a like I will let my I'll let him wear them whenever okay but there's something to be said about a kid in Crocs is like the cutest thing we've ever seen they are cute because why are they so little and cute they are so little the tiniest little Crocs I don't even know what size they are they're like the smallest little ones he had and I kept them because they were the tiniest cutest things I've ever seen put them in a shadow box yes glue them to the shadow box and stick it on the wall because that is so cute okay and last thing where are you going if TikTok gets banned what app can people find you on
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And is there anything else that you're promoting right now? Do you have any projects? Do you have any goals that you have in the works over the next couple of weeks?
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Have you ever seen Holes the Duck May Swim on the Lake? Have you seen that? No. Oh, okay. I'll send you the gif. I feel like I'm old. Like, I don't know. We relate, but I also feel old. Anyway, thank you for coming on Barely Famous.
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I hope that you love New York City as much as we do now that we're here all the time. But... Follow Kylie on Instagram, TikTok for now, and also on Snapchat. Do you want to just say your handle? Yes.
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Whatever y'all say. And then we have Facebook, which is also a free-for-all. Yeah, I don't post on there. I do post. I'll use the same video, and they all perform very, like, wildly different. But I will also say that I feel like TikTok has been so life-changing for people, and I appreciate that about it because it's like you can be real and raw and get paid for it, right?
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But you brought Landry into his first flight. Yes. We love that for him. He's going to be a little traveler. I hope so. I was so surprised when I walked down and I saw him. I was like, this is so cute. Actually, someone messaged me and was like, I think she's going to be on your podcast, but make sure you ask about Landry. And then he was here. Oh, yeah.
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I also saw – I think it was on your TikTok – Did you buy a house? Yes. Are you excited? I am. How far is it from where you live now?
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Okay. So that was my plan for my land. I bought 20 acres of land and I was like, oh, like each kid can have an acre. And then Delaware was like, no, you can only build one house on this 20 acres.
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Wait, I have to tell you whose accent you remind me of. I said I was going to tell you. Do you ever watch Young Sheldon?
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Wait, how is he doing? Should we Google him real quick? I don't know what he's doing. Let's see how Tiger King is. Imagine him like, hey, can you come on this podcast? I don't know. I hadn't heard of him in a while.
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Because they'd say a lot over there. As of yesterday, the Big Cat Rescue fame goes up for sale in Tampa. oh big cat rescue of tiger king yep goes up goes up for for sale is that in mississippi Where is that? I don't know where that is. Florida. Oh, I don't know shit about shit, I guess. I didn't know where it was.
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Okay, well, speaking of the hate that we get on Instagram versus TikTok, do you ever see hate about showing your son at all?
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So not really. I go back and forth with my kids on social media. And I also just don't think that at first when I started teen mom, 16 and pregnant and teen mom, that wasn't really a conversation was like exploiting your kids. And once they've been on the internet for how long, I just, at what point do we pull back?
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I think naturally just seeing all the hate comments that other people were getting and understanding, you know, their right to consent and, you know, knowing what they want or don't want. I sort of pulled back naturally. It just like, wasn't something that I was
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Are you serious? You've never left him? I've never left him. That is actually really cute. So do you ever feel overwhelmed then?
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So it's not much. I hope that you can teach me how to vlog like you. Like before we leave New York, I need you to help me because I truly like you literally walked in with a tripod. Yeah. So do you just bring it everywhere? Yeah, pretty much.
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Wait, so do you feel like you don't really fit in? Do you feel like a fish out of water in Mississippi if it's such a small town? Oh, no. I feel like I fit in. Oh, you do? Oh, yeah. Okay. But I feel like I'm just like. I've never been to Mississippi, but I want to do a show for my Patreon where I can go do wild ass shit and like record it.
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And there's this girl, Hannah Barron, that does these like water things in Mississippi, I think. It might be Alabama. Would you ever do anything like that? Like what do you mean water? Water. She like goes and she like scoops the fish up with her arm.
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Hannah's lucky. All right, you've heard me talk about children's vitamins so many times, and typical children's vitamins are basically candy in disguise, but that's not what we're looking for.
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Three. Yeah. Okay. I also, I have a two year old. I have a four year old. I have to leave my kids for work, but you are a stay at home content creator. Yeah.
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Life of a SAHM podcast edition with Kylie Pitts
So your content resonates with so many people because it's authentic, but it's just natural to you.
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Life of a SAHM podcast edition with Kylie Pitts
I agree. There was a time where I was traveling with my third son because I had him all the time. And so just like I brought him to every single podcasting, even if we podcasted in Georgia, Texas, anywhere, I brought him everywhere. So I do understand. But hopefully there's a time you do get a little bit of a break. Maybe you and your man can go on vacation. Maybe one day.
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Life of a SAHM podcast edition with Kylie Pitts
I do cook. So have you made mac and cheese on TikTok? Yeah. See? Okay. Then I asked you.
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Life of a SAHM podcast edition with Kylie Pitts
I can make chicken Alfredo. I tried to make mac and cheese homemade, and it came out like soup. Did you bake it? I tried. Oh. It was not good. See, I'm on a diet, so I can't have it right now.
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Life of a SAHM podcast edition with Kylie Pitts
They're like, what if it's like something crazy? Wait, you might be too young. So when I was 16, you would have been like six. These... green tea pills came out and like, I was, they came probably from the black market and we were in high school and right out of high school, just taking these green tea pills. We have no idea where they came from. Like that was the thing.
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And we'd be in the bathroom all day, but we were doing it because we were dying to be skinny.
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Life of a SAHM podcast edition with Kylie Pitts
But we had no, no other life. How do you decide what you share versus what you don't share?
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Own 60 acres. Yes. And then you live on it and then you're going to move from your house to the new. Are you building it or you're buying it?
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Life of a SAHM podcast edition with Kylie Pitts
I love that so much. That's literally people tag me in compounds all the time. And I'm like, no, that's a dream. I know.
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That's kind of crazy. I don't, I think it's like a farmland thing, but even if I took, okay, I have seven kids and then, and then my house. So really if we have eight houses on 20 acres, one acre piece, we would still have over 10 acres to keep farming. That'd be like a little subdivision. Okay. So do you think that TikTok has contributed to the ability to,
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to move, to buy a house, to build a house, to do any of those things. I mean, yes, definitely contributed, but we were talking about building before I even started TikTok.
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Life of a SAHM podcast edition with Kylie Pitts
I have to know when you started content creating, because I was scrolling through your Instagram, not your TikTok, but I was scrolling through your Instagram and I noticed that he's not really in a whole lot of your content. And I also don't have Elijah in mind. So when you started doing all of your content, did you, did it sort of just take off and then you told him about it?
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Life of a SAHM podcast edition with Kylie Pitts
Even if you go private, I built my house with a private builder. And that's what we were going to do. Yeah. Because I, I have the house that I built now is on farmland, but it was through a private builder. And I mean, they'll give you a timeframe, but you actually won't get into it until like six months after that. So it's crazy. Um, but yeah,
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has so your grandma not your grandmother your grandmother-in-law basically your mother-in-law does she live on the land yes and then what about your mom no my mom lives about 20 minutes away okay that's still not bad though it's not bad and what do y'all do for fun in mississippi
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
Welcome to the shit show. Things are going to get weird. It's your fave villain, Kale Lowry. And you're listening to Barely Famous. All right, Gypsy, thank you for coming on the Barely Famous podcast. Thank you for having me. Of course. So I read your book cover to cover in a couple hours. Yeah. And I'm really excited to talk about it. I run an online book club. So this was right up my alley.
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
Right. So she didn't have her own identity. So you sort of took on what your mom felt, which I mean, when you're young and you only have the one parent in your life, you what are you supposed to know? That's you're just going by what you're taught. Yeah. Um, in the book you talk about a half sister, but it wasn't clear if that was Mia or if there's another half sister. I have two half sisters.
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
So you have Mia that is Christy and Rods and then you have another half sister. Yes. And do you have a relationship with her?
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
Right. It was great. And so has your dad maintained a relationship with her or she's kind of been separate from everybody?
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
For sure. And so your dad was sort of like, I mean, your dad, he's pretty good looking. Yeah. So I can see why I understand how all this has transpired. But so do you think that they'll have a closer relationship moving forward? Do you think they're trying? Yeah.
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
Yeah. No, it's tough because I think once you grow up a certain way and you live in, you know, a certain lifestyle or you live in a, Maybe you got she in Louisiana as well. So even if you're in a different area, I think it's really hard. I met my sister as an adult as well. And I feel like I love her. Right. Like that's my sister.
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But I think sometimes once you're an adult, it is so hard to sort of create those relationships. And, you know, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. But I hope that you guys are able to to have like a further relationship. Yeah. Yeah. Um, have you ever talked to your dad about why he was willing to marry your mom because it was the right thing to do?
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Um, but I, I don't think in the book you mentioned him, you know, maybe putting the same efforts into that sister. Like, did he just never really have a relationship with her mom?
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
So he had to sort of choose between the two. Okay. He's a player. I get it. I get it.
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
I mean, I have four baby dads, so it's fine.
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
Yeah. I mean, what 17-year-old is? I mean, I know people in their 20s that are not... I wasn't ready. And I had three kids before I was 25. So I completely understand that. You talk about how close you and your mom were. You were talking about the nicknames that you guys went by, baby and honey, right? And talking about bathing and sleeping together.
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
Okay. I mean, he doesn't really need to know your truth is your truth. And I feel like at the end of the day, he can't dispute what your perception of any of this was, right? Correct. I mean, I get that. So, um, the people that you developed relationships with while you were in prison, do you talk to them still?
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Did you ever feel like the relationship was an enmeshment?
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
Right. So you were the daughter, the friend, the partner.
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
All of the things. Yeah. From a really, really young age.
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That's... And how do you feel about that now? Do you feel like you'll know sort of where the boundaries are for your daughter when she's born?
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
I always – I have a hard time. I have – A 15-year-old and then I have seven kids all the way down to the age of one. And so I have a really hard time with the parents that call their children their best friends because I feel like you have to be their parent first. Right. And I think sometimes parents – and I've done it at times too and that's why I speak from experience is like the –
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Blurring that line and then having to take a step back and be like, okay, wait, I'm your parent first.
Barely Famous
Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
Yeah, yeah, exactly. There's definitely clear lines that we have to set. But in the book, you talk about your baby bottles. And I don't think that I ever heard that in like the headlines or the shows or the documentaries. Is that something that is exclusive to this book?
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
Are you comfortable talking about it now? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
Okay. Definitely go get a copy of this book, My Time to Stand. And so in the book, you talk about having a baby bottle. And up until the night of the crime, you were packing a baby bottle in your bag. Right. What was that about? Can you talk about it?
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Like we're talking a bottle with nipples. Did you talk about bringing change? Yes.
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That is so hard for me to wrap my head around. How do you feel about that when you think about it?
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But that was my normal. Right. So during that time, you didn't know any different. No. That was my normal. What is people's reaction similar to mine where it's just like you truly are addicted to narcotics and drinking out of a baby bottle?
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Oh, I thought you were going to say seven years. No, about seven months to go. So what does that mean? So when you get released from prison, you go on parole for what was the time frame?
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And then- The night of the crime happens and then you are – you couldn't take the baby bottle to prison. Right. So what was that like? Was it sort of like a cold turkey cut off the bottle sort of deal? Yeah.
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
So in some ways that had to be liberating. Yeah.
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
Yeah. I mean, rightfully so. I feel like your entire life had to be built off of anxiety. I cannot imagine. So CPS comes just one time in your entire life. Entire life. I don't even have words because I've seen CPS get involved in situations for much, much less and either do something or don't. And so when you look back, I mean –
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
At the time, did it even cross your mind to tell CPS what was going on?
Barely Famous
Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
Well, you're a kid. You didn't know any different. And you were also told to be basically taught to be afraid of them.
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
And you... would have thought that you were, what, I guess 29, right? Like if this still continued.
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
Okay, and then once you're released from parole, you're done? Do you go on probation or anything like that? No, I'm done. Like, the sentence is complete. And then could you move out of state if you wanted to? I could, yeah. Do you have any plans to move out of Louisiana?
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Because it's easier to kind of hide the years as you get older, right? Like you could pass for 29, you know, sitting in front of me today. And so that makes sense. They just –
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I can't understand how when you were talking about in the book, you were talking about the medical records and, you know, the name spellings were off and then the dates of birth were changed and those all sort of slipped through the cracks too.
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Maybe some of the files are not going with her, right?
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
Even now, I think that they still struggle with that, right? Like I moved from Pennsylvania to Delaware and, you know, my doctors were asking for records and I was like, I don't have those. You know what I mean? So it's sort of easy to lose the paper trail. So your mom would drug herself to sleep sometimes.
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
Right, right, right. So not abusing it necessarily. Right, not abusing it. When she would go to sleep, I know that in parts of the book you talked about still being in your wheelchair. But were there ever times that you did get out of your wheelchair and walk while she was asleep?
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
Oh, wow. Wow. So then did you lose muscle mass in your legs because you were in the wheelchair so much or no?
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
At what point did you realize that you were not actually needing the wheelchair? Like, how old do you think you were?
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
That is so wild. I can't imagine. And it has to be, obviously don't want to speak ill of the dead. Right. But like that has to be mental illness as a mom. I can't imagine, you know, doing these things to, to my own child, let alone any child, but I, there has to be something deeper there. And I wish that we had more answers as far as that goes.
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
Yeah, and all of those are kind of like, I guess, the South, right? Mm-hmm. They're just a lot different. This is my first time in Louisiana, so. Oh, welcome. Yeah. This is not what the weather is like usually. Okay. Well, I brought a winter coat because I was like, I didn't know what to expect. And it's 30 degrees back home. So I was like, what is going on?
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
Right. Right. She couldn't have because nobody was willing to. It's always you're crazy. And I think that. Raising awareness about it now is also, I mean, we talk about mental health all the time, right? Like in where we are today in life, I feel like we talk about it all the time. And if they had that, it might be different. Exactly. But you know, who's to say? So you meet Dan.
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And you still drink from a bottle at this time and you pack the bottle to go to Dan's house. Did he already know this?
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
And Dan was an adult that you met at a convention. Correct. And you guys had a romantic interest in each other.
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
Okay. But you guys maybe had a little bit of an interest, a fling.
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
How old is he? How old was he? He was 36. And he thought you were how old? 15 at the time. So that would be a pedophile, right?
Barely Famous
Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
Okay. Fair. Okay. But it's questionable. It's definitely questionable behavior. So your mom threatened to – or she did actually like out him as – you know, someone who liked children.
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
So in the book, you talk about trying foods for the first time and having your salivary glands taken out. What does that even mean? And when you say that you were trying foods for the first time, what were some of the things that you experienced with eating certain foods for the first time?
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
And have you had communications with Dan since? No. Never. He's never reached out to make sure you were good and okay.
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
Wow. Because he was scared. He was on parole, right? You found out that you were house arrest?
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
He would have gotten in trouble probably for talking to you at that point.
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
Okay. Makes sense. Was this to Dan's where you ask the neighbor – or is this the second time that you run away that you get to the neighborhood and you knock on somebody random's door?
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So he's in the hospital. Okay. So you just knock on some random person's door?
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And then you get to the hospital and you're like, hey, Dan, what's up? Yeah. And y'all just hung out in the hospital?
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Okay. And they also didn't know who you were, like what their story was.
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
I'm so stupid. And then he's like, your mom's here.
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
And you were convinced that she was going to let you continue to have a friendship with Dan.
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And then at that point, that's before the shed incident? Correct. Okay. So the second attempt to escape was in 2012. And what was the mindset at this time? You were like, I already had a failed escape. You go back home with your mom. She tells you you can have Dan as a friend. But you were like, no. I need to escape still because she changed you.
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She changed you to the bed that was between incidents.
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
So did that first attempt give you almost like a hope that you're like, okay, I didn't do this right the first time. I could do it the second time.
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
Okay. So that is actually the next question I have is why did your mom have the BB gun to begin with? Why did she buy that from Walmart?
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So, so you didn't think it was going to kill her? No. Okay. And when you shot her with it, it was to scare her or did you think it would kill her?
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
Okay. Okay. Did you get out of the wheelchair to shoot her with the BB gun?
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
You know what's interesting, though, about taking the photos off the wall, though, and removing them? That, to me, is a little bit more logical because you had fallen through the cracks so many times all the way up until that point. Mm-hmm. If you weren't in the home anywhere, I mean, maybe I wouldn't necessarily think you didn't live there, but it wouldn't have made a difference.
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You know what I mean? So I don't necessarily think that was like illogical. But so you meet Nick online later in 2012 after the second escape attempt, the second escape attempt. And you connected on a Christian dating site. Yes. Where was your mom during this time?
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
Oh, wow. I did not realize that. So when you don't have those glands anymore, what does that do for eating food?
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
And she didn't know any different? She didn't know any different. I mean, to be fair, in a situation like that, whether you're in an abusive relationship with your parent or not, everyone was doing that, right? Like, I was doing that. Mm-hmm. If I had access to a computer, I was going to do whatever I could to get on it and go on AIM and whatever else I could do. You know what I mean?
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Just hide the tab button or whatever. That, I think, comes with some adolescence. You know what I mean?
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
But so how did you know about like a dating site?
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
And little did you know, you were going to get the complete opposite. Yeah. Wow. The things that I learned in this book about Nick was insane. What I remember from like the media headlines, documentaries and things like that was that, you know, you allegedly – someone who possibly was, you know, disabled in some ways. And that was not confirmed or, you know, anything in the book.
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But I think that was – is some – some of what the public thinks. But based on what I read in this book was that he was already having all types of very, very violent fantasies prior to even meeting you.
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And you just ignored it. I just ignored it. Did it ever scare you? Did you ever think he was going to do something to you?
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
You can look past the violence at that point. I can look past it. Yeah. So change him. Right. Or I mean, that's a big one. I think sometimes up until my late 20s, I thought I could change a man. You know what I mean?
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Did he ever know that maybe you thought that he should get help?
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
Yeah. But that never happened. No. I just was like reading some of the things that he and I won't I'm not I don't want to say too much because I want people to read them in the book. But some of the things that he some of the ideas that he brought to you about how to unalive your mom were twisted.
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So did that come up in court, like in trial?
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
So people could find that if they wanted to, I'm sure.
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
This was the first time I had read that, so I don't know if there's a little bit of attention on it in the media, but I was shocked.
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
You have been in the headlines for probably 10 years now. Does that sound about right?
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
Right, right. But I definitely don't want it to go unsaid that there were definitely fantasies of these things before he even met you. Prior to meeting me, yeah. And I think that's a misconception. Yeah. So I just wanted to make that clear for sure. Quote, Nick told me I'd be a woman if he carved me up with a knife. What does that mean?
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Wow. And then you talk about sort of the sexual side of your relationship with Nick. and some of the things that you would participate in. Where was Didi during that time?
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Did you have to go to bed when she went to bed?
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
I don't think that that is known, though. Like in the book, it's – I didn't realize that it was at the same time. But that makes sense because she has to make sure that you're under her – Right.
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Okay. Wow. Wow. And then Nick told you at one point that if you all ever had a daughter together, he would take your daughter's virginity at 13.
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
That's so interesting. So when you're eating foods, you need to drink a lot. Did they tell you that was going to be a side effect or were you too young at that point to understand like what that meant?
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And he had an alter ego essentially, or the other personality that was Victor? He had a few. Oh, he had a few. Okay. So I know, was Victor the evil twin? Victor was the evil one. Okay. So looking back, are you afraid of him?
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Yeah. Yeah. I don't think I've ever met someone like that. And so I think that we have to be, you know, be aware and be careful.
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Right. How do you feel about online dating now?
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Where did Nick's mom think that he was going? She knew about you, right? To some degree? To some degree, yeah. Did she know the level of, I guess, the depth of your relationship at that time?
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Right. Okay. And have you talked to her since the night of the crime? She has passed away.
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Oh, wow. Do you know if Nick was allowed to, can you leave for a funeral in prison?
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So were you able to do any of that stuff for DeeDee?
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
No. So interesting. You have microdeletion 1Q21.1. Correct. It's a chromosomal change in which a small piece of chromosome 1 is deleted in each cell. This increases the risk of delayed development, intellectual disability, physical abnormalities, and neurological and psychiatric problems. But you sort of went unscathed. Is that right?
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That's so interesting. And there's no way to obviously replace them.
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
But it's unclear whether your mom knew that or not?
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
That's so interesting. Just from speaking to other family members or anything, did your mom fall under any of the typical symptoms? No. No, she did not display any of the symptoms. When I was pregnant, not for all the pregnancies, surprisingly, but I was able to do genetic testing. I don't know if you did it. It's all this genetic testing for genetic disorders.
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And I came back positive for something, but then it wouldn't necessarily like one of my children wouldn't get it unless my partner also was a carrier okay so is it is it not it could be like that but also developed without correct so um
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Do the foods taste the same otherwise? No. I wouldn't know any different, would I? Right. No, I guess not. And so could you get regular foods like blended and put through your feeding tube or it was just strictly like. I mean, that's possible, but it's not recommended.
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Right. So she could be unscathed like you where you're carrying it, you have it, but not necessarily affected by it. Exactly. Same thing for your daughter. Correct. OK, that's so interesting. I didn't I had never heard of it until I read it in the book. And so it's really interesting. And I went down a rabbit hole of Google and I'm like, I just I don't know because I had no idea what it was.
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You briefly touched on the bottle possibly having an effect on your teeth. Right. But your teeth were also pulled out. Correct. They were extracted. My front ones. but not necessarily because of the bottle or it was because of the bottle?
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That was my question. I had said maybe like certain medications will deteriorate your teeth or if If you're taking any sort of liquid, if it sits in your mouth for a long time, would that contribute to it?
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Why now? Why are we writing a book now? Is there a reason?
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For sure. Going back to your – is it a genetic disorder? Yes. Okay. Going back to that, how did you tell Ken?
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Maybe you've already explored this, but is there a world where if you did something like IVF that they're able to test the embryos beforehand for that?
Barely Famous
Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
But it still doesn't decrease or increase. All future children will still have a 50% chance. Yeah.
Barely Famous
Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
Isn't that nice? Like you're like, why are we the ones that have to be carriers for something? Have you all thought about more kids in the future or.
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
Right. I just wonder if, you know, if you were if she were to be positive, if it would be sort of because you are sort of unscathed by it, if it would be the same. But I guess it's unpredictable.
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That's so interesting. And in the book, you talk about, you know, the correctional facility that you were at. Does the word correctional in the name of a prison mean anything? I think that it does.
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I mean, that's all you can do. I think, you know, worrying about it is going to be a thief of your time and your joy because you're like, I want to be excited about this. I don't want to worry about all the other things. And You know, if that is the worst that happens, it's livable, it's manageable. Do you know what I mean? So I think that that's, I mean, that's good, right? You know what?
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So I got pregnant, sort of similar situation to you. I got pregnant while my divorce was still fresh. We hadn't been divorced for 365 days. So my ex-husband had to go file a denial of paternity. Oh, okay. And then my son's father had to go file acknowledgement of paternity. So do you have to do the same?
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So essentially, like, legally he's the father?
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
Okay. So he won't have to pay like child support or anything because he's the father. Okay. Okay. Do Ken and Ryan have a relationship? Absolutely not. Do you still have to talk to Ryan?
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So, so it can be a part of the sit down or no? Absolutely not. Okay. I never know. Like, I mean, how do you handle it? So how does he feel about it? How does Ken feel about you having a conversation with, with Ryan?
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
But it's interesting that he would text you and try to have conversation but not be willing to sit down. Yeah. But OK, so going back to your book, please tell me what the writing process is like while you're in prison. Like, are you writing letters or how are you? Phone calls. Phone calls.
Barely Famous
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Well, and also just trying to put things in the book that weren't necessarily public knowledge through the documentaries.
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
Because I was nervous about what was going to be in the books. I was like, haven't we seen everything? But there are some details in here that I wouldn't have known unless I read it. Correct. Yeah. But so you had to get pretty close with Michelle and Melissa. And so what was that like? Did you ever question like their intentions or have, you know, trust issues?
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So you think that it's more of like a rehabilitation facility?
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
So do you keep in touch with Melissa and Michelle now? I do. I texted them this morning. Oh, you did? Oh, I love that. So that's cool. And they're investigative journalists?
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While you were doing any type of interview, whether it was for your book or for a documentary or anything, did the inmates treat you differently? Like, did they know what you were doing when you were, you know –
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
Do they have to get permission to come in? Like, do you have to give permission to them? Yes.
Barely Famous
Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
Oh, interesting. I always wondered how that worked and if you would be treated differently.
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
Was she an influencer that stabbed somebody?
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
Okay. Because I know that there's like state prisons or federal prisons, but they don't necessarily always have the word correctional in the name of the That's interesting. I didn't know that. I don't know that for sure, but I'm, I've noticed, or at least I think I have an Alessandra saying yes. So I'm going with yes. Um, I want to dive headfirst into page three of the book.
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I actually dated an inmate in Missouri. Really? Yeah, I did. He was at a federal prison. Oh, okay. You know, I hear that the federal prisons are a lot better. Really? Yeah. I should have been on Prison Brides. You got your GED in prison. Do you have any plans to further your education? I do.
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
We can get you a podcast. Oh, that'd be fun. I have my own network. I can talk. Yeah, you can talk. I mean, you're great at interviewing. So what is one thing that you hope that people take away from the book?
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And so this is simply a book of hope. I love that. I mean, I think too, I've been in a domestic violence, you know, relationship, very toxic. And I think the cycle was sort of the same as like you see in a In a moment to get out, but then you fall back to the toxic cycle because of the comfort or you're used to the chaos, but you don't know that in the time. So, right?
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Like people will be like, well, Gypsy, you couldn't have got up and walked out of the house. No, you couldn't because you were in this more of a mindset of, you know, that sort of cycle. It was like a mental, not a game, but like a mental abusive cycle too. It wasn't just the physical cycle. Exactly.
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Obviously I want people to go pick up the book and read it, buy it, all of that. But you used a metaphor where you talk about, it was, you know, your, your throat was going to be cut or so it was more of like a life or death sort of, um, situation. Can you sort of describe what that meant to you in a way that, you know, people will hopefully want to go buy the book?
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Right. And I think that you're right. Other people – other forms of abuse and toxic relationships sort of can relate in that way.
Barely Famous
Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
I think that's a good point. Um, I do have a couple of general questions that are not necessarily related to the book. Um, did you read anything in prison? What books were you reading in prison?
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So like stupid facts that nobody really uses things like that. Okay. Okay. Um, As you stand today, how do you feel about your mom?
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So you have more empathy and compassion. I have more empathy and compassion for her now. I understand that. What was it like meeting Ken's family and how has his family reacted to all of this?
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
We get along really well. We have a lot of fun together. Do you think that you guys will get married as soon as the baby is born?
Barely Famous
Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
So y'all are not breaking up because I read rumors. Oh, hell no. He said I'm pregnant with his baby. He's not going anywhere.
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99% of what is on TikTok and social media is rumor. Okay. Well, I'm happy to hear that. And how close do you guys live to like your extended family, your parents, your siblings?
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So his family is more spread out. Okay. But you have a support system where you're at. Correct. Okay, good. That's awesome. And do you have any rumors that you would like to clarify? No.
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I'm not even going there. Well, I appreciate your time and you coming on Barely Famous Podcast. Where can people go get your book?
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Right. It sort of paints the whole picture.
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
Okay. I understand. The book was very well written and I was really impressed with how thorough it was. There were a couple of things and we'll get to it later on about Nick and some of the things that I didn't really know. I don't know if I just didn't follow his story as much, but In the book, you said that you were in a silent standoff, right?
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Okay. So it's been a work in progress for a long time.
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
So your mom was desperate to sort of keep control over you. Looking back, do you still feel the same way?
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
And there was some things in the book that I... I was surprised to read because, you know, we hear all kinds of things in the media and people come up with their own theories. But was writing this and sort of going through this entire process for you cathartic and sort of like therapy for you?
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Okay. So maybe some of the other things that were happening were... in relation to, you know, self isolating, but she didn't, she wasn't really aware of what she was like, how deep this was going, how, how much it hurts. Okay. That's interesting too. I, I actually only ever heard of Munchausen by proxy because of Eminem, right?
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And I'm like, you know, I need to dive more into that. That's the, that was my sort of first, um, lesson of what, what the illness, I guess, uh,
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is or was and that was the only time i had ever ever heard of it until your story um and so i think that your story has definitely brought more awareness to it for sure um if you had to guess how many times do you think that you've been under anesthesia probably over a hundred probably and do you know what the side effects of that are like do you have i think i've read um
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Something about like short term memory or long term memory. Do you feel like you feel any side effects, long term effects from it?
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
Right. Right, because you were a minor. Right. So that makes sense. In the book, too, you talked about your – I don't want to call it an addiction because I don't necessarily think that you called it an addiction. Do you think that you had an addiction?
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So by accident or did you like were you already taking them and you felt the effects and so you eventually, you know, got to a point where you were abusing them or do you think that it was more by accident?
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And your mom was aware of it, but didn't say anything. Correct. Because I think that's what I read in the book. And I was shocked by that. Correct. But that sort of fell into... subconscious or conscious plan of, you know, her kind of keeping you close, it sort of helped keep you there, right?
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That's so interesting. I always wonder with addiction, my mom's an addict and an alcoholic. And so I always wonder how sort of that can happen.
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
And what would that do? Would it put you to sleep?
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
And so would you spend a lot of time in that state of mind, you think? Yes. I know at one point you talked about how you took the last of your mom's pills and then you guys had to go file a police report in order to get a refill because that was the only way that you could get a refill on the narcotics. Correct. When you think about that now, how do you feel?
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Yeah. I mean, I just, but as a mom, you're about to be a mom. So it's like, could you even imagine like helping yourself and your daughter do something like that?
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I just, I would be so curious to know, you know, you know, if she was here today, like where her mind was at in that moment. Cause did, did she need them at that point or did she, do you think she did need them?
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Okay. I think. And I don't know this for sure. I'm not an, I'm not an expert, but I would guess that it probably has a different effect on you as a child. You were young and you didn't necessarily need them. So it's going to have a different effect than someone who's actually using them as needed.
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Oh, wow. And so she was probably double your height and weight or, you know, whatever.
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
In the book, I was shocked to find out that Christy and Didi knew each other. Yes. Before your dad and Christy were together.
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Surviving Control with Gypsy Rose Blanchard
That is so interesting. So was that a point of contention? I believe I read in the book that it was a point of contention. Didi felt like Christy sort of took her place and was with your dad. Is that right? Correct. So your dad and Christy actually grew up together. Yes.
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Has Christy ever expressed that she didn't like your mom?
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Yeah. That is so interesting. Did you have your feelings changed at all? Like, did you not like Christy growing up because of what your mom said? Exactly.
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Welcome to the shit show. Things are going to get weird. It's your fave villain, Kale Lowry. And you're listening to Barely Famous.
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Oh, we should... Is he nice? I don't know. I've never met him, but he seems like he would be nice. He's brilliant. Have you met any... I don't think I've met any comedians now that... Because normally comedians are like...
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They've got to make sure their jokes fit, right?
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Yeah, that's so funny. So what is your favorite hat to wear, right? I know that you are all the things, but what is your favorite hat to wear?
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One of my twins, his name is Verse. Verse. Verse, yeah. Why did you call him Verse? I just love that name. It was, I guess that word. Verse. Verse. Like from the Bible, verse. Verse. Yeah. So I, this wonderful woman in Australia made, I guess she, what they call them jumpers, like a sweater. She hand knitted it and it said his name on it and it had little bumblebees on it.
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And so ever since she gifted that to me, I associate, like I think of bee's When I think of verse and I think of verse, I think of bees and I just love them. I think they're so cute.
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Did you know that you were going to have twins? I found out I was going to have twins right away, but I thought they were both going to be boys.
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interesting but this is two eggs two eggs yeah okay so that means it's in your family yeah well it's in my family and also I know it doesn't come from the male but he also his mom's a twin and I didn't know that yeah so it does come from the mom's side a lot of people think that if the dad has twins it's genetic but it's not it's not true yeah it's mothers um and so we have them in my family and he has them in his which is really weird oh my god yes yeah amazing yeah
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Right. When you say you grew up watching it, so did you live in the UK and you just toured here, or did you eventually move here? No, I lived in the UK, but we all had American television. Oh, you did?
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Yeah, but when you actually got to New York, how did you feel?
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spICE on fire with Geri Halliwell-Horner
So the difference between... I guess the celebrity world here and in the UK is very different?
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Okay. I'm going to look it up. That'll be my homework on the way home. Yeah, totally. And it's got a really good soundtrack. We're all about the music. Have you been on book talk lately? Do you get on book talk? No, I, I haven't been on it lately. Okay. So I know you're on Goodreads. The books are on Goodreads. I don't know if you're on Goodreads, but I did see the books on Goodreads.
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So they're definitely there. But I was going to say, I think BookTok has really taken off and really helped authors with getting their books out. to new audiences. And so I was going to ask what you thought maybe the reaction to your books has been on book talk, but I can let you know. Can you let me know?
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I can. I can. Um, because I know that Rosie Frost, the first, because this is a duology right now, but it will be a true trilogy. Yes. And book one was a New York times bestseller. Yes. How did that feel? What did you say when you got the news? I was like, it's like mind blowing.
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people of all ages that come to your signings because they know a lot of, you know, people my age knew who you were growing up and then we're also having kids and explaining to our kids who you are, but then they know you as an author, not as a pop star. Yeah.
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Which is, my oldest is around that age. Okay.
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Okay. Well, I'll let him know. Yeah. Here you go.
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Right. Yeah. No, I think that's relatable for everybody. And I think we all change sort of not identities, but we go through that throughout our lives.
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Um, so we briefly touched on a third book in the works, which is really exciting, but what do you think the main differences, and I sort of already touched on this, but what do you think the main differences between writing a memoir? Like, were you writing a real life things that were happening as they, as they were happening.
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And then this was like, you're setting deadlines for yourself and it was a little bit different.
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a pop icon, but also writing the, the memoirs shaped the way that you shaped your characters.
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So Slay You. You are like the icon behind Girl Power.
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Right. But in order to create a character like that or maybe recognize that in me, would you say that you also faced adversities and things like that?
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I can imagine that you probably experienced a lot of that too, just going through everything and being as famous as you were your whole life. That had to have presented its own set of challenges.
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Do you think that with the rise of social media, could you imagine having been as famous as you were growing up? or I guess not growing up.
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Yeah, at least. And not to say that it's not, it wasn't hard, right? But like thinking about, you know, maybe Britney Spears or Christina Aguilera, a lot of their early...
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struggles with fame I would say struggles or challenges rather you know and same for you and the Spice Girls and you know everybody they it's not not everything is on video maybe like a tabloid or something I don't know do you think it is harder or do you think it's I don't know here's the truth like if you ask like like you're a great grandmother right and look at
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Everyone that I've met from the UK is so much more polite than Americans. Oh, really? Yeah. Like calling someone darling. And then you sat right here next to me and was, or asking about me. That would never happen with an American. Really? No. Well, maybe that's just, you know, is that confidence? Maybe. I don't know. Maybe.
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No, but I don't think anyone that I've ever interviewed has been like that. Am I the first British person? No. I had another author on who's British, Alice Feeney. She writes suspense thriller novels. I had her on pretty recently. I loved her. She was, again, one of the sweetest women I've ever met. I just love everyone. I think I'm going to move to the UK. I think I'm going to move there.
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Well, I just love it. I might be British. I think I'm British. I'm thinking you're a bit Scottish. I am. Are you? Yeah. But like a bit Scottish. Okay. Yeah. It's like Scottish English. Did you do your... I did Ancestry and 23andMe. I did both. Okay. And which one's the best one to do? So 23andMe has the health aspect that you can do. So it'll give you like what your percentage of
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likelihood to be allergic to certain things or what type of body type you have or do you think it was helpful I do because now that I so I just recently had a breast reduction surgery okay I'm gonna get back in the gym and it sort of gave me like my body composite composition my body type and so that gives me insight to how I should work out to be in the best shape which is super helpful and
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um it just has like cool fun facts in there um i'm terrified of having alzheimer's so it gives me like my likelihood of that so i definitely think 23andme 23andme yeah and the other one is ancestry so that gives you more about that one's more like building your family tree and seeing who you're related to like i think i found out from there that i was like benjamin franklin yeah that's pretty cool it is but um
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I am. Yeah. So they're both cool for different reasons. Just do both. Honestly, just do both. It's cool. And you can connect with relatives. Can you? Yes. Oh my goodness. Like I found cousins on there that I didn't even know. I actually found out recently, like I went down a whole rabbit hole about like my dad, who's maybe I shouldn't be Lowry.
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today's episode is bringing you a full dose of girl power and by that i mean who you might know as ginger spice we know her as jerry hollowell horner and not only is she a pop icon she's also a writer and i absolutely love her this is like me trying not to fan girl jerry is inspiring a whole new generation of girls with her new book she has rosie frost the duology that she is working on she started it in 2023
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My last name is Lowry, but maybe I shouldn't be Lowry. So there's a lot of drama on there. If you are wanting to open that can of worms.
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Well, that's like me. I met my dad when I was 17.
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Well done, you. Well done, you. Thank you. You have all these books. I'm so excited for the third one. That's really exciting. We actually went out and got the first book today. Thank you. Yeah, because I was like, I'm going to do, I have an online book club. So we're going to give them away. But we only had book two. We didn't have book one. So it's like, we can't just give away book two.
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We have to give away the set. Okay. You know what I mean? Very good. I like this book club. Yeah.
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Based on the history lesson of Henry VIII and, you know, women and you talked about how he was like 55 and he married a 15-year-old. Very interesting. by any other name would be right up your alley. Okay. Yeah. I think you would really like it. Um, so you first, your first ever book was in 1998. Yeah. And that was a memoir.
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They used to have a show. I had Tamara on and she did it. She went on a show where they do all of that for you, which I thought would have been really cool. Because sometimes you get stuck when you go down on Ancestry. There's these leaves that you add to the tree and it's all the people. And sometimes you can get stuck or maybe there's someone with the same name.
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Yeah. I would love for me to come from a really cool history. Like what? I don't know. Maybe like a Scottish king or an English king of some sort. Why not? But so far, I haven't found that. But maybe one day. Maybe one day. It's fine. Maybe one day.
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But maybe because as we grow and evolve as people, our perspective shifts. Yeah, totally. And hindsight is always 20-20. So maybe just like looking at it from a new lens. Yeah, that's true. That's true. Yeah, that's a nice, that's a great way to say it actually, a new lens. Yeah.
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Because I think when we go through something challenging, we might be angry or resentful or not understand why X, Y, Z is happening. But maybe 10, 15, even 20 years down the line, you're like, wait, I needed that for whatever that reason may be. Or maybe you're like, I still don't understand. And so sort of just...
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What has it been like transitioning from writing memoirs to children's books to now fiction? I think so.
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then i'm bit unplugged into like the socket in the wall rather than the battery right does that make sense yeah no that makes like at first it might propel you but then what happens when that when eventually you let go then what and it's exhausting no it's so exhausting resentment hate anger all of it yeah it's absolutely exhausting to keeping it up absolutely it tortures us more than it tortures the other person i would definitely agree with that
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Did you do audio books for these? Yes, I did. You audio, did the audio for them?
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But see, we love that. I always ask for recommendations on a good audio book that has the different accents, the different characters, like all of that. It's called that. Yeah. Okay. So for anyone that's listening, that is a part of Chapter 7 Book Club, definitely check Check out the audio version of Rosie Frost series. Yeah.
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all out there so i love that i think that the full experience whether you're reading it the book version or you know the physical copy kindle audible whatever you're doing you get a song actually with the book and the audible oh okay you just scan it i love that so before we do rapid fire you guys can buy the rosy frost series at barnes and noble amazon wherever you guys buy books you can also find it on audible so i highly suggest listening to the audio version
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So this or that, I guess we could do for rapid fire. I think that would be cool. Okay, go for it. So you appeared as a judge on different TV shows. Which one was your favorite? The Rivals, The X Factor UK, or Australia's Got Talent?
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Oh. Okay, so you've also acted. You've done Spice World, Crank High Voltage, and Gran Turismo. Which one was your favorite?
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Do you prefer the like unscripted versus scripted or do you prefer acting? What do you mean? Like for when you were judging and do it, I guess they were like more like a reality, real life.
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Would you ever do judging again for like American Idol or The Voice?
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Can you tell us one thing that people don't know about you? Well, that's riveting. That's interesting.
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Anything that we don't say in America? Cheerio.
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Well, on that note, thank you so much for joining us on Barely Famous Podcast.
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Yeah. And how have your, have your fans from, you know, I guess, from where you started in music to now sort of followed you into your reading and writing journey? I have to say they have.
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my previous you know incantation then you're gonna get some music in there just for you you just scan it I do love as a reader when books have like a playlist at the end or some kind of song that just it just adds an extra layer a little elevated what's your favorite book Oh, The Nightingale. I haven't read that. Oh, yeah. It's a World War II historical fiction.
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the first book released and now april 2025 the second book in the duology is out this is jerry hallowell horner and let's get right into it jerry welcome to the barely famous podcast i'm so happy you're here oh thank you very much for having me i loved the history lesson on henry viii you're so welcome i loved it and we have to talk about your books because i am a huge reader and i love reading
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By any other name, which is by Jodi Picoult, and that's also historical fiction. And then I also loved Wild Dark Shore just came out.
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yeah yeah how do we feel about that do you see it becoming like a tv series a movie anything like that very exciting i'll circle back when i'm you know when i can okay Well, that's exciting news, right? And how do you balance all of it between motherhood and everything else that you're doing and then writing too? Because as you said, you can do it anywhere.
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But also, I've written books and sometimes it consumes you, right? Because you're like, all I can think about is what's next in the novel. So how do you balance all the things?
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Yeah. Do you think that you have... included pieces of yourself in your characters or pieces of your family?
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Yeah. No, that's the worst. I hate when that happens.
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So you sort of transitioned from, you know, you're a mom, you are, you know, you were a pop star and now you're an author, you're a bestselling author. So let's talk about it. How does it feel?
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Did you know that you always wanted to be a writer?
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Did you share any of the same, like did any of the girls that you toured with or other celebrities that you met along the way share the same interests as you with like writing and books and things?
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What is your favorite book of all time, would you say?
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because it just made me permanent jewelry yeah it like makes me feel put together what do you mean like what is permanent jewelry like you can't take it off it's like like you have to cut it off there's places all around here why am i so behind on life and do i live under a rock same no your rock is bigger than yours very small because you can see over it what the fuck i just literally can't i almost said that's word
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I did give my life to the Lord almost two years ago.
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Yes. Well, you – we saw each other – when were you here?
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So we saw each other two months ago, three months ago.
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Mind you, before we get to that, I have to mention that – I laugh every single time I think about you coming out on that stage and me bawling of just a proud moment for knowing where you started and where you are now. And, like, I think about the scenario of which I was crying because I'm so proud. And I'm, like, I'm literally sobbing. And you're up there singing, getting dicked down in Dallas.
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I'm cooking for about 70 people. Yes. Yeah.
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And I'm... I'm in shambles. Like, I'm so proud of her.
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I... I laugh every time I think about it. I was like, I was really bawling while you were singing Big Down in Dallas. What should I sing in Austin?
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For the better. A lot more positivity, joy. I feel like it helped me seriously wash away and get rid of do away with my last relationship I was in because I feel like if I didn't turn to the Lord, I would have continued that same toxic cycle. It just was not healthy at all. It wasn't healthy for any of us, any of us.
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No, I feel because when you love people and you value a friendship, you pray for them and meet them where they're at and just have the faith that they'll come to that moment as well. I don't feel like the friendships necessarily change. I feel like it's more so of like a how can I word it? Like, I feel like I just, I have more, I have more appreciation for people in like an understanding.
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So you don't, because there's more grace there to understand that not everybody is going to be where you are. Because I wasn't there for almost 30, for 30 years. I was, I mean, I've always been a Christian, but actually like living my life for the Lord, I was not doing so. I was, there was a lot of, there was a lot of things that I needed to change. And I don't know.
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I feel like you should just still love the people, love the people that you have in your life and understand that people aren't going to be where you are at and that's okay. And just pray for them that they can get there. And if they don't, there's an understanding that there's always, there's, there's, I don't know how to word it. It's so hard to talk about because I'm like,
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I just don't feel that it's right to judge people for what they decide to do. I don't necessarily have to agree with it, but I'm not going to judge you for it. I'm not going to condemn anybody for their decisions because people didn't condemn me for mine.
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And I'm like, I literally looked at her and I said, I will do yours. Leave everyone else's alone. Get out of the kitchen. And And I was like, you don't cook in here.
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I don't want you – first of all, I don't want you to be scared because that's not the case at all. I feel like I have patience and understanding and love people more. Now, do I think that – Does it make me sad? Like certain decisions that people make in my life? Yes. But I also sometimes don't always make the best decisions. Just as I'm Christian doesn't mean I'm like a robot. I make mistakes.
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I literally was cussing this morning because I was pissed at something and I have to reel it back in. I'm like, you really need to calm it down. Like I make mistakes. I definitely make mistakes. I'm just more cautious of like making those mistakes and understanding that like I don't have like some, there's just certain things to me that's just not worth to do anymore.
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Not even just for like my faith before it, not my faith, but my, for my, um, my walk with the Lord, but for my health too. Um, I, there's just a lot of things that I changed and I cut out of my life, but people, I know a lot of Christians that do things that I don't even do. It's just, for me, it's a personal choice, you know? And it doesn't mean that I don't like, I have friends who are
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frequent church goers and very involved in church that still drink and do what, like you still live your life. Like, it's just, I just feel like I, the Lord has come into my heart and it fills me more with joy. I feel like I'm a lot happier.
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And that's the ultimate thing for me that I feel like I'm able to talk to people and spread that happiness versus rather than saying like, Oh, whenever someone has asked, like, Hey, how are you? You're in centers. Be like, Oh, I guess I'm all right. Like, you know, rather than that glass half empty, it's like the glass is more half full now.
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And I feel like for me, just because I have that relationship with the Lord, that it's because of the Lord, not because I'm like making all these changes. I have to cut this person out or this person out. Like that's not the case at all.
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I fly here and I stay here and I'm usually here for about a week and I cook every single meal.
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I think that with any friendship, like if you come to me about something and you're running – you're seeking advice – My advice is always going to be the route of like, what's going to be the better outcome for you in the long run. I'm not going to sit there and Bible thump you. I'm not going to just throw that at you like that. I'm going to more so be like, Do I agree with what you did? No.
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I still love you. But maybe next time you could do it like this. Try it like this. And if you do it, you do. If you don't, you don't. I can't control the dynamic of what people decide to do. And that's the beauty of like with where I'm at. I know where I stand and I can only give that advice. But I'm not like if you don't do that, I can't be your friend. Do you, does that make sense?
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I, cause I, I like, I love, I love you for who you are. And that's why we've stayed friends for so long because I don't, I also don't indulge into other people. Like if somebody is having problems, I only try to give them the comfort and the positivity versus like investing myself fully into it and bringing on that burden.
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Cause I feel that with friendships and relationships, we tend to put on other people's burdens and problems onto ourselves and
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Put it on me to make, to upset me. It's more so like, man, that really sucks that that's going on with you. I'm going to pray for that, but I'm not going to bring that onto me and put that stress onto myself. Okay. So versus used to, I would, I would be, I would like stress me out. I would internalize it. I would be, wow, that's like, like, how can I fix that?
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And I can more so like give like my advice to it. But like I can't fix it if that makes sense. But I don't want you to be scared.
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2016 still to this day was my favorite year of my life.
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you have an understanding for their point of view and not argue about their point of view. I think that that's maturity. I feel the same. Like if you don't have the same beliefs in certain things about parenting, about religion, about politics, you can still be friends with somebody.
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You just have to understand that you don't have to have the same views to know that you still like that person for who they are, not by their beliefs. I think that it goes for a lot of things. People live their lives – I have a lot of friends who live different lives than me and different than you. So many people. Just like you said, with your ex-husband, you were able to –
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be in that marriage, even though he was Catholic, you were not, you know, I think, and it goes, it's very different with friendship because you're not aligning your life together. We're not, I'm not basing my life off of our friendship and like, we're not doing life together. Right. Like a relation, like a marriage.
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So you're saying it's like almost easier because of that or no, I think so with a friendship, I feel like at a marriage, it can, there can be, that's usually the biggest problems in marriages, finances, Religion, politics, politics. Yeah.
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Yeah. Finances for sure are in religion are two of the most common factors of divorce. If they don't understand that there's like a difference in beliefs there before they establish before they get married. Right. I feel like that's very common, but in a friendship, I don't feel that way. I don't know. I'm not like just out here. I don't know.
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Well, I've been heavily involved in church for two years and we've still been talking, friends. I know, but I guess the first –
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Okay. I think that's where I was like, I thought in my perspective, it went like, well, and like, you like had really good questions and I feel like I was very, I don't know. It felt normal. I don't know. Maybe my perspective was different. I love what you just mentioned to me. I, I love with all my heart. Okay.
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I have. One of my dearest friends is one of the gayest people on this planet. He's coming over for dinner tomorrow night, and we're having a movie night. I love him so much. His choices don't define me, but I love him. He's a great person, and he's good to my kids. He's one of my kids' coaches at the gym. And I don't see him any differently than he's my friend.
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At a Scentsy. Yes. Scentsy, whatever that was.
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Like that doesn't, that what he does doesn't bother me. It doesn't bother me at all. Just like I love Becky.
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So I feel like that's the problem with the world that they have put it in people's minds that all Christians are the same. Okay. I don't want you to have that perception of me because I feel like people who are like that, um, aren't really living life for the Lord.
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Like they should, because there's no reason for a Christian to judge or condemn anybody of what they do or what they choose to do, but they still won't get into heaven. That's between the person and the Lord. I don't, I don't make that choice for anybody. That's between if you're a believer or not, that's between you and the Lord. When that day comes, that's not.
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I'm going to love them while they're here.
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No, I would never not love my friends because of – I was struggling with that so hard. Really? Yes.
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There's been people, they call it people who were heavy into church. They call it church hurt. People who've been in a really religious family growing up, they've been hurt by their family and just like the way they treated them. And that is, that is very known common thing for sure. But I hate that that's become the, Generalization. Generalization. The perception of all Christians. Yeah.
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Just like... Like a stereotype. There's like a stereotype.
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Just like in politics. Well, oh, because you're this color, you must be this. You're... Oh, when... Oh, because you're religious. Oh, you must hate gay people. Oh, because you... This and that. You must... Like, it's... It's very like... That's what I feel like our societies come to. It's very black or white. And it's not. There's so much gray area of people like...
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Loving people just prefer who they are, not because of what they decide to do, what their skin color is, what their religion is, what their politic views are. I just feel that's become so like that's what's going that's what's happened in the world, unfortunately.
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A lot of that is the media. The media makes people believe in it. They're wanting to separate us in that sense. So and we won't even get into that.
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and alessandra's nodding her head in the background like yeah that's the problem is that that that's what they want they want the separation of people people they don't the more that we come together the more that we understand what's really happening and they don't want us to come together collectively i do believe that i think we are the problem and that's with everything if you notice it's
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Christians shouldn't be friends with non-Christians. Non-believers should not ever, ever speak to a Christian because all Christians are this way and not all non-believers are this way. All gay people are this way. All heterosexual people are this way. All that's what they've made it out to be. And that's unfortunate because it's not, that's not the case at all.
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Cause I know a lot of really good hearted Christian people who love all people. I know a lot of people. I mean, go, the girls go to a Christian school. I'm around Christians all the time and people, there's so many things that people do that I don't do. Yeah. Vice versa. Because we, that's not why we're not here to be the judges.
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I really do. I would never, ever base my decision of our friendship off of that ever. Okay. Like ever. I'm glad people change their personality. I feel like I'm like, sit here and talk to you. And I, my personality is the same. I just don't drop the F bomb quite as much.
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Well, I used, I, I mean, I cost like a sailor and I feel like too, with that, like, I feel like even before I decided to give my life to the Lord, I was like, there's just things I needed to work on within myself. I was like, why am I feeling so negative? Why am I dropping the F bomb? Every other word? Why am I doing that? For what reason is it? Is it filling me with happiness? No.
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Biological father trauma. All of that. Lincoln was not even sitting up. He was an infant. Yes. He was on the tit the whole trip. And you were so worried about like I was ruining your time. And I was like, I literally am the biggest homebody. We could stay at this hotel the whole time and I would be just fine.
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Does it make me feel better to talk that way? Not really. Maybe I need to make that change. Like, those were, like, little things that I needed to change. Like, and it just kind of all, like, tied in together. I don't necessarily think that it just happened to be, like, oh, I'm a Christian now. I can't cuss. I can't have sex.
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It was more like, you need to get your life together, Sterling, and you are... You cry way too much. You're sad about – like there's something wrong. Like you need to – like we need to reel it in and we need to make changes.
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That was more so like I feel like the core of it and that's why I feel that I am so happy now because it's not – it's truly just like a lot of self-reflecting and I've been single for a very long time. Two years? Yeah. Almost three years. Yeah. Cause we were, you know, we broke up in 2021 and then we kind of were, we, the end of 2021 was like right before Thanksgiving.
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We were kind of off and on up until my birthday, 2023. So it's been almost two years.
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No, you bought me a car. I bought you a car as hush money. Bought me a car as hush money. Because I slept with your husband. Because you slept with my husband. Never been married.
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Meanwhile, the video that was taken for Thanksgiving.
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The video of him and Lux. I took that video.
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I took that video and she was like, send me that. That is so cute. Because the kids did love him. So they were like. First of all, that man never. He didn't have a shirt on in that picture. No, he didn't. He never wore a shirt.
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Right. Because you're a disgusting whore. I want to circle back to something really quick. I have to sit on the edge of the chair. I have to sit on the edge of the chair because my feet don't touch the floor. Speaking of rumors, you did not buy me a car. No, I wish I did. Never bought me a car.
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Okay, so we already decided when we're... G-Wagons. The Granny G-Wagons. Period. Okay. Okay. You bought me a car. What else? Oh, you took me to the Grammys. You took me and my family to the Grammys. First of all. On a California trip.
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chilling in the room or chilling wherever and i would have lincoln breastfeeding but from there we were just we literally were inseparable i swear we booked i literally booked a trip to come see you like i think like a month while we were in the bahamas i literally was like i'm i'm flying to delaware why i'll come to see you like you did you know i sure did and then um we sterling and i got pregnant yeah
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With me and my sisters. And your mom. And my mom. And I did not invite, Sterling invited me.
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I want to go to CMTs because I like – The CMAs? CMAs. I just think they just have them.
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My mom hasn't went in a couple of years. I don't know. I don't know why she doesn't go anywhere. I kind of stopped going just cause like you got work. Yeah. Work.
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My daughters and both of my girls are in competitive cheer are, and that's literally the core and like the busiest time of competitive cheer because NCA is right around the corner right after the Grammys, like after the Superbowl and all that stuff. So I haven't been in a long time. but we could go to another award show.
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You did. At that one hotel. I was so proud of you because you don't try anything.
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I won't comment on that. I will never forget you calling me when you first started dating a certain individual and you wanted to cook for this man. I need to be the best chicken alfredo I've ever made in my life. Homemade from scratch. Not like the sauce in a jar. Yep. Stayed on the phone with her the whole time she cooked it. FaceTime. Heavy whipping cream. All the things. All the things.
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oh he was nice though he was for them no enjoy the chicken no don't enjoy the chicken alfredo it's kale's recipe this is where we're different that's that's where we're different i'm like enjoy and she's like don't enjoy choke on the chicken choke on the chicken um like oh no do i need to take you to the hospital that's where we found each other out yeah i guess you're like i'll like push you down the stairs and i'm like well if they fall and hurt themselves i have to help them up and i'm like just let them struggle a little bit
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It wasn't even like butting heads. I can't even tell you why we fell out.
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We were like cool at first, which was weird. Yeah. But that's how they are. I think it's because I started to – the things he was doing and I was like – Telling me about it. You need to get – you need to go. He needs to go.
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Oh my gosh, I forgot about that. We talked to friends.
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Oh, he was? No, that guy was not my boyfriend.
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I told you 2016 was fun. 2016 was a wild ride. That was a fun... I will never forget. The music, everything was such a vibe in 2016. People in the whole world collectively agree. Have you ever seen the TikToks?
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She was obsessed with that song. And she played it at every wedding. First of all, I've never met somebody that's been invited to more weddings in my life. She, Becky. Everyone invites her to the wedding. Well, she's a good time. She's a good time. But she played that song everywhere and she would do her little.
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Yeah. I think that – oh, I do remember. Did we fight? No. Okay. I remember – okay. I do – Her memory is as bad as mine. It's usually pretty great. But we were like – we only didn't talk – it was only like three months. It was when you were pregnant with Lux. You were pregnant with Lux. Yeah. Yeah.
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We literally started talking a month before, again, before a month before Lux was born, but we were still talking. I remember you showing, cause you sent me pictures of your belly and I was like, it's so crazy to me that you were just not showing that much because like you're, you had just had a tummy tuck.
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Showing. And then you came and stayed with me for Christmas.
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So like with Lux, you couldn't tell you were pregnant like at all for a long time, a very long time. But I remember, I remember what it was. What was it? It was an incident that happened. That was my final straw that you told me. And then like a couple of days later, he was back at your house. And I was like, are you effing kidding me?
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I was like, when is enough going to be enough? Are you going to just, are you, am I going to have to be planning a funeral for you? You said that to me. I did. And you were so mad at me. You were bawling. You were mad. You were like, you, you can't, you have no room to talk. Your relationship is so, I, that's what it was. Your relationship is just as toxic.
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Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 1
With Lincoln. It was just you and Link because –
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Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 1
And I was like, but I've never been physically, he's physically hurting you. I was like, yeah, I'm getting cheated on.
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Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 1
left and right funny but i'm not he's never put his hands on me never never did never ever and i was like that's where the line should be drawn and you were not with that and we literally here it was like more like an f you f you it's like if you can't f and get away from him so we i was like i was like i literally cannot emotionally like this is this is hurting me as your best friend this is hurting me because we were like this oh
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Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 1
Yes, we told each other, like, any inconvenience that happened in our life, I... You knew about it. Guess what? Somebody just... Somebody just... Cut me off. Cut me off on the highway. Like, if you're going to be able to do something about it. No.
Barely Famous
Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 1
Your life, your middle name is Scandal.
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Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 1
hope that he kills me so that i don't have to do this that's how deep i was like stuck yeah it's it's such a like the trauma bond that you have and like the codependency is so real i don't have it anymore no say that thank god no for real but i get it because like you I feel like even though I – like your situation was like all of it in one. Like it was physical, emotional, all the abuse.
Barely Famous
Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 1
I dealt with emotional abuse and like you're – the love bombing after it happens is so convincing.
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Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 1
Scanny. Praise God. You have your tubes tied so you don't have the opportunity to name a child Scanny. They're not just tied. They're cut out. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Who's your – what's your doctor's name? It's a midwife. Okay. Your midwife. I will call and thank them.
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Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 1
I'm not just your situation. And like I was – whenever I – in my relationship that I was in, it was new. So there was a lot of like – there was a lot of newness and excitement. So like I'm going through like the, the, the fun part of my relationship and like the newness of it. And you're going through like the serious stuff. And I'm just like, I'm not understanding why you're staying.
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Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 1
And then whenever I ended up being in a relationship that was, I was in that relationship for almost five years, seven, almost seven years. Was it that long? Yeah. We met the end of 2016. I can't wait to do this just on the couch. Oh, I can't fucking wait. For nights and nights.
Barely Famous
Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 1
Oh, I think Kristen probably knows that story. Have you told her the one about your mom was gone for a long time? You had to go to the neighbors to get food? Yes, she did tell me that. Okay. Oh, it was my uncles. Your uncles. I know. I can't like, I mean, I feel like seemingly like I had such a good childhood. So like hearing some of the stuff that you say, I'm like, I just can't even fathom that.
Barely Famous
Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 1
Like I just – I mean that is – hold on. We have – we could literally be like – this could be like four-part series, guys. Sorry. We can – yeah. In the Bahamas, reverting back to the very beginning, that was like our conversation of how we bonded. Like talking about – because you were like so – basically like I just said, I was like I had like a pretty decent normal childhood. Like it was great.
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Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 1
Yeah. Except for XYZ because of my biological dad. And you're like, oh, that's not like my dad that I always call dad that I talk about. I was like, no, that's my stepdad. But he's my dad. No, that's your dad. He raised me. No, and he's my dad too. No, literally. She looks more like my mother than I do. No, Tay-Tay could be my mom. Literally. My mom is a blonde, like a true blonde.
Barely Famous
Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 1
She has no blonde children. And then she came around. I'm like, is this yours? Is this yours? She's also tall. My mom is – they're the same height. Where did they come from? They swapped us at birth. They definitely did, even though we're a year apart. Are we? Yeah, you're going to be 33, right? Yeah. I'm going to be 32. Wow.
Barely Famous
Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 1
I am. But your thought process and like your placenta, the placenta thing and like painting it.
Barely Famous
Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 1
Well, they only have like a one out of seven chance to guess which one.
Barely Famous
Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 1
We know he's had the juices. Okay. I had three babies in the span of a year. No, literally.
Barely Famous
Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 1
helped to not that it helps but like i was pregnant i did find out i was pregnant first i told you i was pregnant and you're like oh my gosh i hope that i'm pregnant this that and the other and then you ended up finding out like a couple weeks later that you were pregnant yeah wow it was my last pregnancy yeah it was almost nine years ago that was nine years ago yeah she's about she's about to be nine here i am only two kids i stopped not
Barely Famous
Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 1
Right now. Okay. So the last... If it's funny, like I might laugh and like cough and I might sound like a smoker. I don't smoke. I've been sick and I sound ridiculous when I get tickled. So bear with me.
Barely Famous
Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 1
But outside of that, we never fought. Right. No, we never, except for about the chicken.
Barely Famous
Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 1
That one was a no for me, dog. He was a nice guy. He was very nice. That was the downfall.
Barely Famous
Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 1
You were also in your depression grieving phase.
Barely Famous
Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 1
That's why, like... That's not okay to treat someone like that. It's not, but I feel like that's why it works with Elijah because he's also very nice and very calm and collected.
Barely Famous
Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 1
The difference between that relationship and Elijah is that he's very... When you are in that crazy phase, he'll just like walk away and be like, I'll come back whenever you're done. I don't have time for this. He doesn't. Versus that other relationship was more like, what can I do to fix it?
Barely Famous
Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 1
And Elijah's like, has no interest in trying to fix it when you're like that.
Barely Famous
Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 1
First of all, that is not how it started. I said, I'm so happy you and Becky are friends again. You know I've always loved Becky. You were like, you've met her?
Barely Famous
Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 1
Yeah. So are you doing like another tummy tuck?
Barely Famous
Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 1
Oh, that's amazing. I want mine done so badly. That's why I have questions. Yeah. Did they say like recovery is a lot smoother?
Barely Famous
Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 1
Because I remember getting mine done and you were asking questions because you were like, I really want mine done. And then when we got them done like a year later, we were like, I hate them. They're way too big. And I still to this day, almost 10 years later.
Barely Famous
Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 1
Bigger because I put on weight, lose weight, put on weight.
Barely Famous
Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 1
Remove your nipples? Yes. They did that the first time? Yeah. They removed them? Yes. No. Yes.
Barely Famous
Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 1
I have the same scar too, but they don't remove it.
Barely Famous
Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 1
Mine wasn't like that. So they did mine, then they cut a line down underneath. They moved the nipple up, but it was still attached. Mine wasn't. They took the nipple off. I thought they couldn't do that because it would mess up your production.
Barely Famous
Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 1
I did not know that. Why did I not know that? And I used to watch Dr. Miami faithfully. We were obsessed with him before you got that guy. That's why I had to go to him because I was like, I'm obsessed. I was on – I only had Snapchat to watch him.
Barely Famous
Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 1
Like I had no hair because then I will spend 10 days together.
Barely Famous
Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 1
Oh. Praise God he's going to be up for that because I was not waking up for that. No.
Barely Famous
Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 1
For lipo 360, taking your nipples off, mood reduction.
Barely Famous
Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 1
So is that like a burning? Or is that like a He's pulling them together. So he's going to cut one off. So he's going to make the fupa smaller too. Yeah.
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
Welcome to the shit show. Things are going to get weird. It's your fave villain, Kale Lowry. And you're listening to Barely Famous. Welcome back to another episode of Barely Famous Podcast. Today we have Ashley Flowers. Welcome to Barely Famous. Thank you. And congratulations, published day for The Missing Path. Yeah, finally. So exciting.
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
I mean, that makes sense to me, but I still find it so fascinating that so many of us, myself included, are so fascinated by true crime. Because what about it? What is the morbid curiosity that we all have?
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From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
How do you think people who listen to crime junkies or read your books can change the way that they're consuming the true crime? Because obviously we're not going to stop consuming it. Right. But you know, how can we help, I guess, I know you talked about crime stoppers and things like that, but. I think there's a lot of ways.
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
So do you just like carry a notebook around and write notes down all day? Or do you sit down and you do deadlines and you, you know, create a schedule for yourself?
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
I agree. Um, I think you're, I think crime junkies is the only, uh, true crime podcast I've heard have a call to action at the end, but I don't know. There are definitely others. I'm sure there are. I just, I don't, not off the top of my head that I can think of. So I think that's really cool that you guys do that. Yeah, for sure.
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From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
What do you think sets this book apart from, you know, other books in the same genre? Um,
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From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
And I appreciate that as a, a fiction girly, just overall, I, I don't love thrillers that have such far fetched, theories and, like, twists. I'm like, okay, now this isn't for me.
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From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
Yeah, like, this isn't for me. And so I do appreciate the realistic grounded in reality, honestly. But so when you are covering cases on Crime Junkies, but then also with your novels, like, how do you... How does your brain work? Do you feel like you can solve some of these unsolved mysteries? Because I feel like when you have that type of brain that you're like, this is it.
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
There are a couple cases, though, that I just don't think that I... Like I obviously have my own theory, but not one that I'm like, okay, this is what happened. For sure.
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
Really? Dude. I thought maybe you had it figured out, like you would be the one to figure it out. Listen, I'm still trying.
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
I think everyone was really impressed and also really excited that you got to interview- John Ramsey in his home. That's what was that like to interview him in his home? It was weird. Did you get any eerie, eerie feelings?
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
Because he's so far removed from her as his daughter. It almost feels like she's a granddaughter, I think I read online.
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
So, I mean, it's... Did your feelings change compared with what you thought before you interviewed him?
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
I don't think he did it. That's just my thoughts. I won't put you on the spot and ask you what yours are because if you have meetings about it, I don't want to like jeopardize whatever you have going on. But I don't think he did it. He might know what happened, but I don't think he did it. That's, those are my thoughts on it.
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
That's exactly what I think, but I don't think it was him. I don't know. It's so weird.
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
Yeah. Yeah. What was your favorite part about writing The Missing Half? And also, what was your favorite part about writing All Good People here?
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
Is there anything that you would pull from real life cases that you've talked about on the podcast and would say, okay, that could make sense in a story, obviously not, um, you know, exact things, but just you're like, okay, well that's a really twisty piece of this case that could work in a book. There.
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
Based on things like she stole a lipstick or she – As if that gives any – what does that have to do with her going missing, right? Like is she less of a human?
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
I don't know how you do it because I'm just a fly by the seat of my pants person. So I think I would just – it would take me a year and a half to write a book.
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
Do you feel like you also being in the spotlight, you have audio check, you're an author now, you have the podcast, you're a mom, like you're doing all of these things. Do you feel like people also pick you apart and feel like they know you based on However much you show. Oh, I'm sure. Yeah.
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
Yeah. It's bad. How? I don't know. I, and I'm getting better at it. Like I have like a team that helps me, but I. You also kind of like grew up in it, which has to be a lot harder.
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
Yeah, I feel – and to your point, like I feel like I'm still stuck at 17. Like I feel like people still hold on to who I was when I was 17, 18, 19.
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
Which I don't even know how you do it all. So how did you – did you always know that you wanted to write books? No. You didn't?
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
It's so weird because I'm like, I guess I don't put myself on that same level. So anytime like you or, you know, I had Carly Fortune in here earlier, like for them to know who I am feels so weird because I still feel like I'm 17 and like just –
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
Like, I don't give a – Yeah. No, I get that. I definitely have imposter syndrome. Same. Well, did you have imposter syndrome for this book or you were like – it had been so much time since you wrote it that you're like, I'm ready for it to get out. Oh, I'm ready for it to get out.
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From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
I know. How do you separate? Yeah. I kind of touched on this a little bit already, but how do you separate the emotional, like reality, your reality with all of the heavy cases? How do you separate them? You just, you just do like, do you go home to your family and you're I'm a mom and you don't talk about crime cases?
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
So far, so good. I feel like I've never met a man that is as invested in true crime as I am. I fall asleep to the ID channel. Same. You know what I mean? Same.
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
Like, I'll be that lady. Or even just like act in a series or something. That would be really cool. People love a good crossover.
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
Have you had calls about, um, all good people here?
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
Well, because I think at least from what I've heard, they have to, like, I don't know how many pages all good people is here or all good people is Here is. Thank you. Yes. I don't know how many pages that is, but what I've heard is they have to like cut it down, like basically cut it in half to make it into a TV, like a movie script.
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
And so it's really hard when you've worked so hard on this baby and then they have to cut it and change it to make it fit into, you know, one and a half hours. Yeah. I can imagine that that would be really hard to take.
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
I don't like just go write another story. Why? Why do you even want mine? But you have high hopes for this one to be on the big screen. Yeah.
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
Oh, she's so good. So those two people, would you want a limited series or like a movie?
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
That would be so cool. You'd have to get an EP credit. I'm like, I am this close to writing it myself.
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
Before it just completely goes out of your head. Yeah. And do you just put it in your notes app?
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
I love that. You always know when you have a good feeling, right? What do you hope people take away after reading The Missing Half?
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
I mean, you wouldn't have known unless you did it. I know.
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
Yeah, I don't know how we get the audacity, to be honest. Crazy. Yeah, no, for sure. Do you have a case or cases that have stuck with you since 2017 or even before that, before you started Crime Junkies? All of them. All of them.
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
How long do you study or research a case before you talk about it on your podcast?
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
And so then for one episode, you – have put months and months or weeks together to do one episode, but then the next week you have to have an episode to air. Yes, ma'am.
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
No, because I've stressed out about just regular recordings and we're just bullshitting our way through the episodes. And I'm like, do we have enough topics for next week? And you're over here investigating like lengthy cases.
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
80 people? 80 people. Did you ever envision this is where you would be or did you dream big from the beginning? I absolutely did not think this is what I was going to be doing.
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
We use Slack. I don't use Slack. The team uses Slack.
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
And you're like, I can't, I can't live without Slack. Yeah.
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
Do you know what AIM is, Lissa? Do you? Okay. They're, they're in their twenties. So I didn't know if they, I wish they would bring that back and sidekicks because the sidekicks for AIM business.
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From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
Yeah, no, truly. I'll just be the assistant, the coffee runner while you have that meeting. But that is so funny. 80 employees is insane. And here you are with books and audio Chuck and crime junkie. And I, how do you do it all? How do you balance being a mom and this? I mean, like I'm trying, I hopefully, hopefully it goes well.
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
I know, okay, you said it took you for, or you wrote it a long time ago. Yeah. Okay, so tell me about it. Let's talk about it. Yeah, well, the book's been done for like a year and a half. Oh, so what was that waiting for?
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
And we have to scream for her, and it's freaking beautiful. I love that. I just had my first daughter, so I'll be curious to see how she gets to be when she's around that age. Oh, my God, it's so fucking spicy. Oh, she's spicy now, and she's 18 months old. And she's a twin with a boy, so the boy is, like, super cool, calm, and collected, but she's spicy.
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
So when you're saying, like, she's on stage and, like... Oh, yeah. But, like, that's my dream for my daughter is for her to, like, have a fun personality and, like, be fun. Oh, yeah. So, I mean, I'll accept her no matter how she is, but... it would be fun to have one that is really... A big personality.
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
Oh, I love that. I love that. Do you think she'll take over Crime Junkies when you're done? I think she's going to try. That would be amazing.
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
We were talking about it before you guys came in here that your voice is meant for podcasting, radio and stuff. Thank you.
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
Do you edit your own stuff or does someone else edit? Because I cannot hear my own voice. I don't want to hear my own voice. No, no, no, no. When I say it on the podcast, that is the first and last time I'm saying it and hearing it. I had to edit a few episodes early on. What do you think the turning point in your success was?
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
When you said you gave yourself one year and you sort of hit it at that one year mark, For people who are trying to break into the podcasting space or the writing space and want to be an author, like what would you – how did you – how do you think that Crime Junkies really hit the ground running?
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
You sign other shows to audio Chuck, right? So do you help them also break into the space or is it like people that like, are you helping them develop or is it already established shows?
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
Right. Okay. That makes sense. I have one of my best friends is trying to break into the podcasting space. So I hope that she listens to this and that helps her. Oh, perfect. Yeah. And where can people find The Missing Half, all good people here? Tell us where to find you, Crime Junkies, and AudioChuck.
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
Oh, that's really exciting. Yeah. Thank you for coming on Barely Famous. Thank you so much. This is amazing. Yes.
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
But what made you leap, take the leap into podcasting, right? Cause we, you started Crime Junkies around the same time I started my first show in 2017. And I'll be honest with you. I only did it because my co-host asked me, she reached out to me and was like, Hey, do you want to start a podcast? And everything that I learned about in, you know, going to school for radio, TV and film was like,
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
there's no money in podcasting. This isn't going anywhere. And so I was just like, I'll do it for her. I didn't actually want to do it. So like what made you even want to get into podcasting?
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
And you've been doing a press tour. So what's that been like?
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
Okay. So people can go see Crime Junkie live. I've got two more shows left. So why did I not know this? I don't know. It's so weird because like on social media, I'll have like we did tour last year and they're like, how did I not know you're coming to my city? And it's like the algorithm. If you don't see it, you don't see it and you completely miss it.
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
And what's wild to me, too, and this is like we're going on a social media tangent.
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
I literally thought it was for the book tour only.
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
Oh, that's so exciting. I've heard it's fun to go to Las Vegas right in the spring, so it's right before it gets too hot.
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
It'll be hot. I guess it'll be hot regardless. So when you first started Crime Junkies, did you then, so Britt wanted you to listen to podcasts. So did you go to her and you're like, all right, let's do this? Or you kind of just came to the idea together and we're like, we're going to podcast.
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
Yeah. No, it's perfect timing, I feel, because we're just coming off of spring break, but going into the summer. So people will have more time to read. That's what I'm hoping for. Exactly. Okay. So what inspired The Missing Half?
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
I love that. What did she think? What was the reaction that you got, I guess, for both books?
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
And you guys grew up together. You were childhood friends. Is that right?
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
I think that's my dynamic. Also, when I show up to podcasts, my co-hosts always have topics and I just show up. It's like, I'll ad lib off of whatever you're saying because I don't have enough original thoughts, apparently. Yeah. Okay, let's talk about Rocket Money for a second because I'm obsessed with it.
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From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
This is how I was able to save for my ingrown pool, but also the first time I ever logged into Rocket Money, I canceled eight subscriptions right off the bat because I forgot about them. I either wasn't using them or I forgot about a free trial and I didn't cancel, but you guys can sign up for an account with Rocket Money and choose $0 when given the option for how much to pay.
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
Rocket Money is a personal finance app that helps find and cancel your unwanted subscriptions, monitors your spending, and helps lower your bills so you can grow your savings. And you can see all of your subscriptions in one place and know exactly where your money is going. Into the new year this year, I was like, I want to make sure that I'm cutting back on spending where it's unnecessary.
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
And that's essentially what Rocket Money does. For those of you who don't know and don't want any of those subscriptions, they will find them and cancel them for you. So Rocket Money's dashboard gives you a clear view of your expenses across all of your accounts. And you can easily create a personalized budget with custom categories to help keep track of your spending.
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
See where your monthly spending trends in each category so you know exactly where it's going and where you can cut back. You can also get alerts if bills increase in price and there's unusual activity, or if you guys are just going over budget, you guys can track all of that through Rocket Money. The new goals feature automatically saves money for you, so you don't even have to think about that.
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
So it'll help pay off bills, put away money for a house, or just build your savings in general. but Rocket Money makes it so easy. Rocket Money actually has over 5 million users and has saved a total of $500 million in canceled subscriptions, saving members up to $740 a year when they use all of the app's premium features.
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
Cancel your unwanted subscriptions and reach your financial goals faster with Rocket Money. Go to rocketmoney.com slash famous today. That's rocketmoney.com slash famous. rocketmoney.com slash famous. Okay, so was there any point during this writing process for The Missing Half that you were like, this is it, this is going to be the book?
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
So you already knew before you even started. Yeah.
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
Okay. I literally have no idea how you do it because you talk about crime cases on your podcast and now you're writing about it. Do you ever like feel like it's heavy or like for your mental health? You're like, okay, I've had enough for a minute. No. Really?
Barely Famous
From Case Files to Fiction with Ashley Flowers
No, I've interviewed a lot of authors and all of their – none of them have a similar process.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
I'm thinking of, you know, being a business owner myself. If one of my girls got pregnant and had an injury, right? Related to the pregnancy or not. Sure. if they can't do the role that they were in before they got the injury, I'm going to find a place for them within the company that they can do. Right. Because I'm a girl's girl.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
And I recognize that at the end of the day, like you're not just a number, you're not replaceable. You know what I'm saying? Like, of course I can have someone else fill the role, but it's not the same. Right. And I just feel like with your fan base and everything that you've brought, of course, that's so hurtful.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
Unfortunately, that meant lots of changes in other aspects of her life and deciding whether she was going to continue to be a WWE wrestler or not, or maybe it wasn't even her decision. So let's get into it with Leah Vandale. Welcome back to another episode of Barely Famous Podcast. Today we have Leah Vandale, formerly known as Carmella or Mella. Welcome to Barely Famous.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
For those listening who are not familiar with WWE, you have to be able to act, right? There's storylines and there's all kinds of things like that. when you, I don't want to say left cause you didn't leave when your contract was frozen and you had your son, what was the storyline that you had just like ended on?
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
I mean, it happens. Sure. And you have to... As a company, WWE needed to be able to pivot when they needed to pivot. Sure. Exactly. And so that part is what it is. So was any of your storyline... I can't remember because I do watch it with my kids sometimes. But was... Is your husband, your husband in WWE?
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
But so I say all that to say that you could have done something with your husband while you couldn't be in the wrestling ring. And so there are definitely so many ideas that you could have done, especially with both of you guys being such a big name. And he was doing commentary for, he's doing it for NXT now, right? Yeah. Okay. So originally doing it for WWE.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
How does that change the dynamic between you and your husband now? Because he is still part of WWE. Well, NXT. Yeah.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
Hello, thank you for having me. I am a little bit nervous about this because this is the first time you're ever doing something like this. Yes, it is. And people who are familiar with WWE know you as Carmella. Yes. So you have been out of WWE for almost two years. Yes. But not by choice. No. So let's talk about it. Sure. And it started with... You, first of all, let me backtrack.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
I could write a book. You also have Snatch. Snatch, yes. Let's talk about it. So I did get some information on it. I pulled up the website. We're going to link it in the description. What inspired Snatch and what is Snatch?
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
Well, I'm glad that you did that because I've had four losses and, um, And when I opened the website and I saw it, it was like, wow, this is amazing. And I think that more people should know about it. And to your point, I mean, I didn't really talk about my miscarriages or anything like that because what do you – if someone else hasn't related – how can they comfort you?
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
When you're talking to other women who've experienced the same thing, you feel a different sort of connection and comfort. And so I think that's really great. Were the women in WWE supportive? Yes. Very, very supportive.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
No, it's, it totally is. And I'm sure Corey is, that's not his real name. Matt. Can I say his? You can say Matt. Okay. I don't know what to. I know. It's so confusing. I think I, who told me there's like a name for like having to stay in character. Kayfabe. What is it called? Kayfabe. Kayfabe. I want to make sure I don't break anyone's characters.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
Okay. This is like, this is real life. Okay. So, and what was Matt's reaction to you starting Snatch? He's so supportive of it.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
Welcome to the shit show. Things are going to get weird. It's your fave villain, Kale Lowry. And you're listening to Barely Famous. Hey everyone. Welcome back to another episode of Barely Famous Podcast. Today we have Leah Van Dale. She's formerly known as Carmella as part of the WWE. It all started when Leah was a dancer and cheerleader for the NFL and the NBA.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
It's so crazy how long. But first you were a cheerleader and a dancer. Yes. But how do you make the leap from cheering and dancing to WWE?
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
That's rocketmoney.com slash famous, rocketmoney.com slash famous. I did not realize this happened a couple of weeks ago. Yeah. Yeah. I thought this was like last year and you've been like, so this is fresh.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
Maybe it's with snatch. Maybe you're going to turn that into just like a worldwide making, you know, making people
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
If you could suggest improvements, where do you think they would be? Specifically for the WWE and what happened to you throughout this whole process, the lack of communication, feeling like this is an attack on your womanhood, your motherhood, and what value you bring. So where would you suggest the improvements? Where do we start with change? I think...
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
What do you say to the women who are thinking about it? Because at this point, I would look at this. If I was in the WWE, if I was in the company and I saw this happen to you, I would have to think twice about whether or not I could start my motherhood journey.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
Yeah. Which feels really unfair. Yeah. And just as a human being, it's like, you feel helpless. Yeah. When you, um, Realize that something was very wrong. Can you walk us through the journey of realizing that something was wrong with the nerves and and after birth? Yeah, so I Had I got an epidural.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
But that would also be where the epidural goes, right? It wasn't.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
You're better than me. Everybody's getting sued if it was me.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
No, truly. Because I think women really changed the dynamic and the entire WWE industry. And I think that's really cool that you got to be a part of that. It's really cool.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
You're like, I want to go back to work and get better.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
So what do you tell... You have a blended family with Matt. What do you tell the kids? Do you just say, can't run around with you guys today?
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
And that is necessary for WWE. What does that look like? What is like a regimen for someone? Oh, my gosh.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
So it's more for like actually being able to be able to keep up, not because they want you to look a certain way, but I'm sure they also want you to look a certain way.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
I have to like, Leah is a bad bitch too. So we actually saw, we went to Disney in October. We saw some, Don't catch me lying on his name. Solo Sokoa. Oh, yes. Yep. Freaking out. The kids were freaking out. And I was like, shh, shh. He was right in Orlando. No, he was really sweet. He was great. So you can't do the hardcore endurance stuff.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
So then how do you keep up with just regular keeping Leah well on a day-to-day basis now?
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
I think we have kids that are roughly the same age. Do we? My twins are 16 months. Oh, okay. So that right around the same time. Twins. Girl. Twins are, they're crazy. Although they're, my twins are not walking yet. So I mean, one of them is sort of walking, so I'm not, but then I have, um, I had Rio who was 11 months older, so they're like Irish triplets.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
So I keep up with him. I don't think that I could ever keep up with a WWE workout plan, regimen, any of that. So, um, kudos to you. Um, so will you still go support any of the shows? Like while, um, I don't know.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
And again, never say never. What would you say to any of your kids that wanted to join WWE or NXT or any of the... Oh my goodness.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
things start to take a turn about 10 years into the contract or 10 years into the franchise? Sure. Well, not necessarily a turn. I just got pregnant.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
Did people give you shit about getting pregnant while you're under contract?
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
And it's like that's what matters. Absolutely. Oh, my gosh. And men don't have to think about giving up their career to become a parent the same way that women do. They don't. And, and that's just in and of itself, it's heartbreaking because, I mean, you think about, we were just talking internally about, you know, one of our girls, you know, wants to try to have a baby this year.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
And I said, great. And we're going to fill her role until she gets back. And if she chooses not to come back, that's her prerogative. But the fact that women have to think about whether or not they're going to be able to keep their career if they're, they're in a place to thrive. you know, decide, do they stay at home or do they not? I mean, you wanted to have both. I did.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
And there's no reason why you can't. So I think it's really heartbreaking that they, you know, and, and I know this isn't to, you know, talk shit about the WWE or anything, but maybe, maybe this would help open their eyes to the situation. And you didn't have to choose between being a mom and whether you were injured or not, there was, there is a place for you. Right.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
So I just think that's, you know, heartbreaking. Yeah.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
No, all things can be true. All of it, you know? And I don't know. I just feel like if I could write a letter to them,
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
And actually just listen to that. I'm listening to Mel Robbins book, Let Them. Oh yeah. And so it's covering different aspects of the Let Them theory. And one of the pieces of that was like, you don't want to be somewhere that you're not wanted. So let them not invite you. Let them not include you. Let them not resign your contract in your case.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
And it doesn't mean that it doesn't hurt, but at the end of the day, I think that it's just like what you do with it, how you react to it. And I think, you know, you telling your story and you telling your truth, you're always going to have your, your fan base, your diehards and your family, of course. So I'm so grateful for that. Absolutely.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
And I, I'm excited to see what you do with snatch too, because I think that I, that was the first time I had heard of it was when I agreed to do this interview and I was like, yeah, I would love this. I got on the website and I thought it was really cool.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
And I, you know, I actually just had an interview with a woman who, um, she had a stillborn and so she's connected with a lot of women for miscarriage and still, you know, stillborns and things like that. And so just women who are going down that journey, this will be a really good place for them to sort of have, um, A sense of community.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
And I love that. So what was the deciding factor for you in wanting to speak up about this? Because I know that from what I know, I don't know, but from what I know, the WWE kind of has like a tight leash on what things, what can be said and, you know, how you use the name and things like that. So did you ever think like, maybe I shouldn't talk about it at all?
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
So it must have been on there and you were talking about how you're going to come on a podcast and you're going to share your truth and stuff. And I could imagine that your DMs were flooded at that point, wondering what is going on. I told you before we started recording that I went to WrestleMania with my kids last year and...
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
The following that is WWE, I have never in my entire life seen anything like it. It's insane. I mean, we're talking the walks of life from... Grandparents to babies. Shapes and colors from everywhere. People next to me flew in from Ireland. I was shook. I could not believe my eyes. It was the craziest thing I've ever seen. And that's something that you have for life. For life.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
That is so cool. I think I saw also, is Charlotte Flair a female wrestler was, or she was, I saw her at an airport one time.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
Yeah. So I only know a little bit from what my kids, and then I think the only other mom that I was aware of in WWE was Becky Lynch. And then. So it was Becky Ronda, Ronda Rousey.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
but I mean Nikki came back right yeah I mean I know it's not the same sure but there was room for her to come back yeah and that's true like that's why I'm saying like never say never right in the future maybe yeah don't be a hypocrite like me I said I would never go back to Teen Mom and then I made a cameo so um
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
So I already asked you, but just for a clear answer, what would you like to see for mothers moving forward specifically in WWE and athletes across the board?
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
No, that's terrifying. So, but how, how did the WWE react to you getting pregnant in the first place? They were fine. Supportive.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
I think that it's really important that you just noted that this isn't a regular job, right? And, and I don't, I'm not using the word regular to be disrespectful, but this isn't a nine to five. And so when people hear that, I don't want them to misinterpret what you're trying to say, because we're, I mean, I think there should be more support across the board
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
for moms in general yes but this is not a typical office job this is not you're not a teacher this is very special circumstances and I think in order to make everybody happy but also to include moms in the storylines and to have women as part of the storylines is so important for WWE in and of itself that it is important to have support there.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
Last year I had Becky Lynch on the podcast and her kids were in the hotel room and you know she travels with them but I don't think that that's always realistic to leave them in like maybe for her, love that for her but that's not for everybody and so you know making sure that you have a space to bring and travel with your kids because if you are in another country for
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
days or weeks on end, you have to, you know, have the support there and you want to do both. So why can't there be support for women to do both? Right.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
Maybe we can be the HR for moms in WWE. You and I team up and we go in there and we're like, hey, here's what we see for WWE and all these other athletic places or entertainment. I don't know. Maybe that's what we're implementing here. Sometimes on the podcast, we talk about the mental load of women and how men's lives don't necessarily change the same way that women's do.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
And we briefly touched on that. But I think that it's just important to highlight that. men don't have to think about any of this, right? Like they don't, and that's no disrespect to Matt, right? Like there's no disrespect to Elijah.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
Um, but at the end of the day, they're not having to think about choosing between anything, travel and career or, um, you know, an injury or birthing a child in the first place. It's like you had to think about it. You thought you could have both, you know, your career and your, and, and being a mom,
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
But you didn't even have to think about the fact, like you did have to think about what if something happens to me. Right. And men don't really have to think about it because... They're men.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
Yeah. Well, I mean... B, make sure you're fit. Make sure you're breastfeeding. Don't do formula. No, God no. But be a mom because your time is ticking. But then also you have a career, don't you? You want to have a career. And then also make sure you look the part. But you also have kids and you can't work because you have to be with the kids and you're not allowed to be away from the kids. Right.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
And so... I mean, it's insane. Like, it's fucking insane when you think about it. So when you guys were both, you know, working and things like that, did you... have to work at different times so that somebody could stay with the kids? Or did you both go to every place together? We traveled together.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
For sure. So what's next for Leah? Not Carmella, not Mella, not WWE. What is next for Leah? Yeah. That's such a good question.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
Okay, so do it. Oh my God. Could you imagine? Yes, I can. Yes. Are you kidding me? I would die. You better call your agent when you leave here. You're like on the way to the airport and you got to call your agent. I'm in Philly. I'm like, I can meet you in New York right now. Right now.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
Totally do Broadway. I mean, you think? Do it. Yes. I'll call myself. I'm like, hold on. Put in a good word for me. Leah Van Dale is on her way. Okay? Yeah, so Broadway and momming, of course.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
If he grows up and asks you why you left the WWE, what would you say?
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
I think so too. Thank you for sharing your story. Thank you so much for having me. Of course. Before we go, where can people find you? On socials, your website, snatch.co? Snatch.co.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
So you let the, the WWE know that you were pregnant and they were fine. They were supportive. You go to have your son and you, you got seven weeks off.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
If you're lucky. If you're lucky. And that's like light working out. So at the point that they reinstated your contract, did you, did they know that you had the diagnosis that you had with the nerve damage? Okay. So they still brought you, they reinstated it knowing that you had nerve damage. Okay.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
Well, you tried to work while you were pregnant. Exactly. You know, I just feel like it would be so much of a different story right now if they valued how hard you were willing to work and what you were willing to do for the company. Exactly.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
That's a long time. There are people who don't stay with companies for 12 years, especially in the entertainment industry, because I feel like they're the turnover and you want the next best thing, but you've been the next best thing for the all 12 years. Do you know what I mean?
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
And then she took the leap into the WWE, which is amazing. Leah's dad was a former pro wrestler who worked.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
Like this doesn't feel right. Like you're a human being. You want real answers from a real person, not this robotic legal. And I get it. It's all, everything is a liability, but also to be treated like a human being and a woman and someone who's dedicated 12 years of your life to this, to this company.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
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for the wwe and so it's not really a surprise that she made this leap i absolutely loved her character carmella and she was with the wwe for 12 years and we've been seeing all of your questions all of your comments and today we're gonna get some insight from leah herself about why her contract ended so abrupt at some point she decided she wanted to enter motherhood
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So when you're walking into the comedy show and you look at your husband and you are telling him about the call or you have it on speakerphone, how does he react? Because he's still with the WWE. He is still with the company.
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watching what was, like, what were, like, the top of people's priorities, like, was really crazy to me. You know what I mean? Really? Yeah. And I think, like, that was where I started making those videos. And it was a really fun – those videos were so fun to do, like, that whole period.
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I mean, that's, like, that's so much of the job is, like, yeah. People watching because you –
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it's not even watching because you're interacting with them right so it's unintentional essentially it's like but it's like you're watching you're hearing you're conversing and you're like talking to people who would like you would probably never encounter in your day-to-day life because you live in such different parts of new york not even geographically just like social echelon wise right um that it's like it's just really interesting to see i just remember i remember like a feeling back then of like when people were coming back from the pandemic i just feel like
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So do you know it's not an island? Absolutely not. It's not an island? So it's a little state between, like, it's under Massachusetts next to Connecticut. It's, like, kind of like where, like, the part of Massachusetts that, like.
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everyone's crazy was like 60% more out. Like people's masks were a little bit more off. And like, I think you guys are fucking nuts.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
Great. I was like, yeah, you guys are fucking nuts. Like, and it was just funny. Like, like some of the, I remember like when those videos were doing, like we're kind of like really going. Cause like I, most of those duties I did like four years ago now. And those were like really going around.
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Like some of the lines that people would quote most to me, I'd be like, that is a direct quote from someone in the restaurant. Like, like I remember like one of the classic ones, I had another character that I did really early on. That was like a kooky lady who was going to restaurants during COVID.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
And like, she looked at me one time and she holding a glass of wine, mind you, this was like early pandemic days. And she was like, I have to say I am,
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
loving this pandemic lifestyle oh and i was like i was like i can't people are dying kim yeah and like my face like the face crack i was like like what do i say like like what do you say so that was like a lot of those videos came from just like literally being immersed in because everyone else was still at home it was like restaurant workers are considered essential workers so i was like out there with all my restaurant co-workers and like like the subways really during that time were really crazy because it was like restaurant workers nurses and like
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
city trades people and like that was it so like the subway had like such a different vibe it was honestly kind of nice because it was like everyone was like pretty cool and then all these looney tunes who were at these going to restaurants not the looney tunes yeah i don't think so i live in delaware so there's we only have chain restaurants i talk about this all the time so frustrating because there's no mom and pop places
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
I know that's hard it is true I've noticed that like touring have you been to Delaware or like Philly because Philly is about an hour from us I did shows in Philly but like New York has the chain restaurants like right in the center like in your Times Square like your Atlantic Terminal but like obviously when you go out like not really totally but like it's been interesting being in some of like the smaller cities and being like oh yeah like in some of these towns like the place to go is like the on the border
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
Like why would you do a mini? What does that mean? What do you mean mini Chili's? It's like – Like a kiosk?
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
Yeah, you want to soak in the ambiance of the chilies for a little bit.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
Well, especially like chilies food is not something you want to eat quickly because you're already getting like one of the worst tummy aches of your life that day. So if you eat it fast, it's like.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
Because I've known for shitting my pants. So it's like. There's only so much Imodium in the world, you know.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
So do you see where Massachusetts is the one that has like the elephant trunk that kind of swings out?
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
It's to be honest, that is your life is so different than mine that I don't even know that I understand it well enough to be able to like do a character of it. Do you know what I mean? Like I, the idea of having, will you make a joke about me on stage?
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
The next time I'm here. I wasn't going to do a comedy show at 10 in the morning.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
I'm doing Joe's Pub in New York City, which is my favorite place to perform. Two nights. It's the hour I've been touring. Really fun. And then I'm doing four shows in New Orleans Valentine's Day weekend. So the 14th and 15th of February, I'll be in New Orleans. Come see me there.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
And then do you know where Maine is? Like the top, the like horse head at the top?
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
I haven't been to New Orleans since I was truly five years old, so I'm really excited.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
Totally. So I usually... I there's a lot of variables. It depends. Like sometimes I'll route the shows. And so I'll have like a week where I'm doing like four cities. And then that's like a little bit more like really crazy. Right. So like and then if I'm just doing like a one off weekend where I'm just going to like. Like, this weekend I'm going to Atlanta. Oh, fine.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
And it's, like, that I make it a little bit more leisurely. Okay. Just to make it nice. So, like, I'm flying. And this is me. I'm also, like, being a little fiscally irresponsible with this because, like, I'm spending more money than I need to. But, like, I'll fly out the day before, stay there, and then leave the day after. Okay.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, like, so it usually involves, like – But yeah, so basically it's like flying there, checking into the hotel, figuring that out. My show has like the slightest bit of tech. So then I usually have to get to the venue like an hour early to kind of like run over that and just get situated. And then I'll meet the people who are opening for me unless I brought them.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
But oftentimes I let the venue book them. And then I'll meet them and like chat with them sometimes to do like a little kind of pace around the green room, like prepping mentally for like, just kind of like running through what I'm going to do. Then I'll do the show. Then I always go out after the show and do like,
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
like i like not a meet and greet like i don't charge for it but i'll go out and like say hi to people who are waiting and want to say hi and take a picture and i'll do that and that's always super fun and then i my favorite thing to do after that is i love to go out in like whatever cities i'm in it's gay bars and just check out the gay bars and see what they're like in that town um because like every town's kind of has like its own like flavor and vibe yeah um which one's your favorite what city do you think the standout so far because like like obviously like new york i love
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
yeah san francisco was amazing la i have like so many friends there so like that was super fun the one that like kind of was like the sleeper hit was minneapolis really incredible so fun yeah have you ever done asbury pride i've been to asbury park many times but i've never done asbury park pride okay i've done that that's actually where i met my ex-girlfriend actually no she saw me that's we didn't actually meet there um i'm gonna go this year okay fun yeah i like asbury i love asbury park it's such a fun town um
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
Yeah, so Minneapolis was like my standout. But yeah, and that's like a normal day and then I'll come back to New York.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
Yeah, I think it's because like there's a lot of rural area around it. So it's a city that pulls in all the gay people from all those rural areas. So it kind of becomes like a little concentrated.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
And it's like, it's just so fun. It was just so fun. There's this bar called Saloon. It had like five different rooms. There's a chicken finger stand.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
Oh, we go for the chicken fingers. Period. It was so fun. And like that, the Minneapolis...
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
I think sometimes in the cities where maybe not everyone in that city is as accepting or friendly or like just LGBTQ open, the queer spaces are like that much more special and like that much more sacred and that much more like beautiful because they're like, there's a true sense of like protection and love that is happening when like, people in those spaces like gather. Yeah.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
Do you know what I mean? So it adds this like level of like magic to it. That's like really gorgeous. So I, that it almost like doesn't shock me.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
Yeah, I mean, it's a shit show, but it's fun. Oh, yeah, of course. But it's fun as hell, yeah.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
There's some islands off of it, but it's part of mainland America.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
Yeah. And I know, I mean, I know gay guys who it's like really important to them to have kids.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
I mean, yeah. I mean, I think innately a relationship becomes more like just in terms of like relationally, the term, you know, brother and sister can just have, like, it doesn't look the same for every relationship. You know what I mean? Right. There are aspects of how, like my sister and I are two and a half years apart. We have the same two parents.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
We were together for everything. You know what I mean? So like, there are like, there are aspects of like our personality. I mean, her and I are so different. We're close, but we're so different. Like, there are aspects of her and I's life that like no one will get, but her and I, you know what I mean?
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
No, no. So I'm originally from Rhode Island. And then we moved to Vermont when I was like six. Also in New England. Yes. And then I was back and forth a lot. And I guess that's to say like I come from like a funny family. Like everyone's loud. My mom's side of the family is like half Jewish, half Irish. Irish Catholic. Like very loud. Very like.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
But, like, no one experiences similar childhood to me as my sister. With my brothers, they're, you know, they're 10 and 14, oh, no, 15 years younger than me. So...
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
that's not quite like uncle vibes but it is like i am their older brother you know what i mean like there's i think there's like a there's an age i'm from a totally different generation than them i was one of them was two when i went to college there's more of like a there's it feels like more of i have like a responsibility as an adult and then like obviously with my youngest sister she's i'm literally 27 years older than her so like that feels more like like in terms of like
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
I went to college at UVM, my state school, and I only went there because it was the only school I could afford. I got into my dream schools and couldn't afford to go to them. So I went to UVM, was devastated about it, didn't really like it. So then I found this really cheap program to go abroad for all of my sophomore year.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
And I remember at some point in those first two years of college, my mom kind of sat me down or talked to me. I don't really remember... My mom let me know like, your sister is really hurt about how, oh, it was my freshman year. It was before I went to England. My mom was like, your sister's really hurt about how rarely you call her. And I was like, why would she ever want to hear from me?
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
That girl hates me. I was like, I was like, I could, I was like, I was like, mom, you're wrong. Like, there's no, I was like, there's no way she's never said a nice thing to me in my entire life. And I'm like, almost not being hyperbolic. Like she like, I was like, that girl hates me. Why would I ever call her? Not even like, cause I'm mad. I'm just like,
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
You know, it'd be like – it's just like she doesn't like me. Why would we talk on the phone? And then it turned out like she did. You know what I mean? And then like – but it was the kind of thing where we would talk and we would fight. Like we just had – it took us so long to get to a place where we could be close.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
And now we're super close. We still fight sometimes. Like there's – I mean there's things – That's everybody. Yeah. And there's also like I think because you were children together once, like – My sister can do something that'll piss me off in a way like no one else will. And I'll go from zero to a thousand in a way where like if my friend did the same thing, it would piss me off.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
And I'd go from zero to like 11. But like siblings just do something else. And so you learn how to navigate it as an adult.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
kind of everyone's roasting each other from trauma or just naturally you know i think a wintry mix of both um but but um and then my dad's side of the family is funny too but like i think there was like a natural proclivity towards like humor in my family and then i they and then like i think also moving to like a small town rural area from like a fairly like metropolitan area for sure kind of like forced me to you know use my skills to get people to like me so i think of and then also being like
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
My family was super supportive of it. Like I always say, like there was like bumps in the road of processing it, I would say, but like no one was ever going to kick me out of my house. I was never like unsafe because of my sexuality and my family. I think that like, it's hard to explain.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
I feel like sometimes my friends and I talk about this a lot, talking about being like gay and closeted like longer than 10 years ago. Cause I've been out of the closet for almost 17 years now. Like being closeted like over 10 years ago is like hard to talk about on like a public platform now or talk to like
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
younger queer people now because it was such a different time okay and like I think people think about it in black and white where it's like are people homophobic or are they not and it's like there were people like a lot of like people in my life would make like very homophobic jokes or like make pejorative comments about gay people but like
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
they didn't have like vitriolic hate towards queer people. And they didn't have just like more like it was just culturally like mainstream movies and TVs made punchlines about gay people, like, you know, like things like that. But it was like, so there was like nuances to it. Like,
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
I knew that gay people were still viewed as like less than, but like within my family and circles, I was like, no one's unsafe for being gay here. No one's like completely rejected for being gay here. No one's getting. And then once I came out the level of acceptance, like even ramped up even more. And now my family is like very queer friendly and they,
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
And they always were to an extent, but it just was different back then. It's hard to explain. Like there are jokes that got made in front of me before that would never be said now. And also I think anytime, if any of my family that said those jokes now were to hear it, they'd be horrified, but it was like normal back then. And it didn't hit as percussively towards them because they weren't gay.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
I think that me being gay and also, I think there was just a larger public conversation about like, the i don't know the more open diet more of an open dialogue i guess so yeah i don't know i think that like i think there was an overcorrection that's happened since of like not being able to make any sort of like harsh joke about like any identity or anything like that.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
But back then it used, I mean, you were there, we were, you were like young then, like, like the humor that was, we, the humor that was like mainstream humor when like you and I were like 10 to 15, 16, 17 was like hard. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, and things like that. And so I think, but like, no, my sister was never like, fuck you. You're gay. My sister was always like super supportive. I love that.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
Yeah. Yeah. Like no one in my family was like homophobic in like a real way.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
Yeah. It sucks when like it, fortunately my family, that was not the reaction at all. Like, but I also, I think the other thing was like, for me, when I was like, I say this all the time, it's like, I was like a really, really effeminate child.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
And so I was not someone who had to come out in any sort of way that was like shocking. My coming out was more like a stopping of denying. Like I, you know, I was called gay, but not forced out though.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
Not the thing was like, there was nothing to out me about because I guess like I had hooked up like a few times, but like, it's not like I secretly had a boyfriend or was like secretly like sucking dick behind the bleachers all the time or something. Like I just like, but like, I like, I was definitely gay and like, but like,
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
I got called gay the first time when I was like literally five before I was like, wait, but that's not, you can't, you can't sexualize a child. But I was like feminine. I was like very feminine, but like, and I'm not talking like, I'm talking about like by other five year old, like, I don't know. Like it was like, like, so it was just more of like a stopping of denying.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
I don't even know how we got on this. Oh. So like, it wasn't, I also think that was part of it. It's like, it wasn't, no one was like shocked. No one was like, wait, what? Like people were kind of like, I remember my mom was like, I think my mom, by the time I came out, it was like very emotionally prepared for that conversation because she knew at some point it was going to happen.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
the only gay guy in like a small town I think all that led to me being like funny but then when I moved to New York like almost 11 years ago to be a like an actor and a comedian and a performer and I think I had to learn how to like do it in a like professional and consistent way and like perform it like how do I take how I know I can be funny like I remember I used to really feel like
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
You know what I mean? And I think like my sister, to some extent, I think like my sister and I, it was funny because I just don't think my sister and I at that point had any sort of rubric for having like vulnerable conversation. Like we would, all we did was like fight.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
So for me to sit down and like have like an open, honest moment with her, like we had no skillset for her to be like, Oh, thank you for telling me. She was like, okay. Cause like all we did was fight. And I was like, okay, cool. You cool. And she's like, yeah. And I was like, cool. And then I like left the room. Like, I kind of remember like, that big.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
Like, I think she was in her bed and I, like, walked in and I'm, like, standing in front of her and I was like, I'm gay. And she was like, okay. And I was like, cool. And, like, walked out of there and I'm like, her and I just didn't have the tools to have, like, open and honest and vulnerable conversation. Yeah. We do now as adults, but yeah.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
It was just, like... Oh, because you didn't understand that they slept in the same bed?
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
Do you know what I mean? Well, that's, like... That's, like, one of those things, like, I think that a lot of people don't under... didn't understand back then is also like, it was, it's not a big deal to gay kids or sorry, queerness in general is not a big deal to children until adults tell them it's a big deal.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
Sometimes I think it's a litany of things. Yeah, for sure. I also think it's not unrelated. I think just in general, a lot of that shit is not unrelated to what you were talking about earlier of people who get really mad, like people with kids who get really mad at people who don't have kids, where it's like you're jealous of someone making a decision that you didn't think you were allowed to make.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
Yeah. Maybe you're insecure. Or have felt free enough in their life. And not even that you wanted to make that same decision, but the fact that you're seeing someone make a choice that you did not know was available to you.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
Ooh, you know, I really go both ways on this. I really go both ways on this because I think that some of the most egregious shit that people do
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
like annoying shit that people do especially in new york they then cite main character main character energy and it's like they're cutting the line like they're like cutting a bathroom line being like main character energy it's like no you're being an asshole you're being an asshole but i do think it's like helpful to view yourself i think it's like one of those things where it's like if you're someone who's worried about being self-centered or worried about being attention whore or worried about you are what then you are no i was gonna say the opposite okay if you're worried about it
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
you probably aren't because you're being considered enough to be worried about it.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
I know I can be funny like at the bar with a bunch of people like shooting the shit, whatever. But like doing that in a way that is like translating into writing a script or performing on stage or doing an improv scene like that took a lot of trial and error and learning and stuff like that. So it's like a mix of both. But I started at the Upright Citizens Brigade. You know what that is? No.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
Yeah. So it's like, I think it can be helpful for some to be like, put yourself as the main character of your own life. Like stop centering someone else, someone else's concerns. So I like respect that. But I think the, I think it has been co-opted into something like demonic.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
Some people just want to be a star and like are. And they are.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
I think I'm here for people with talent doing good work. So like if someone's talented, I don't really care.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
Who doesn't? Who doesn't want to have rich parents? Who doesn't want to have rich parents?
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
I mean, like, look, like, do I think, like, I think sometimes when you have that, like, access to that level of privilege, it has its own problems and maybe makes you, can lead you more prone to, like, depression or malaise or being an asshole, like, da-da-da, sure, but, like, plenty of other life circumstances can.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
If someone, like, if someone is talented and the work they do is good, I don't really care that they're a nepo baby. Okay. If that's not the case, maybe I do care more.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
It's not, well, yes, but I think it's more so also just like, think about your life. You were in Delaware in a rural town and you hit the lottery. You got on an MTV show at 16 and then were an interesting enough personality and did the thing and now look where you are.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
Think about what the shot of you having the level of success you had in the entertainment industry was being where you were in Delaware when you were 14 compared to what your kids are in terms of proximity they have to a mom with a podcast network.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
It's who you know. I think that some people use nepotism to talk about people with rich.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
But I think nepotism does mean connection. But I think where it gets blurry is that rich people know rich people. So even people with rich parents.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
Sure. But I think a lot of times like someone's rich parents, like maybe their dad isn't in the entertainment industry, but they play golf with like an executive at Universal or whatever. There's things like that that I think happen. But I, again, to answer, do I, am I pro or against? I don't, if they're talented and the work is good, I don't really care.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
It's like a it's like a it's a comedy theater that was that it's reopened since. But it was like a huge comedy theater in New York back in like. the early 2000s, 2010s. Okay. And I started as a student there and then became a performer on their main stage shows.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
So do you. So it doesn't matter. You don't need them. Yeah. No, I don't use them. And I guess like I don't really have a thought process as to why I just have it.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
Yeah, I don't care. I guess unless like I think the only thing that gets really shitey is if you're selling sort of any sort of like fitness or wellness or thing and you're using filters like that feels fucked up to me. Yeah. But like otherwise, I just don't really care. I think like there's a practical thing where you have to think about like what is the realistic solution where it's like,
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
the internet makes people feel like shit about their bodies and like their faces all the time. Like that is true. And I think we should like do stuff to like prevent that from happening. But like the reality is like, we kind of can't stop people from using filters and we kind of can't stop people from using face to change like what their bodies look like in photos.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
So like the solution has to come from within to an extent of like you as a person have to learn how to like not compare, not obsessed.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
I feel like that or even like the smoothing filter on on TikTok. I don't really think that there's anything wrong with that. Like if you just.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
That's the same thing with like – that's what I'm saying with like if you're going to sell – if you're selling like workout plans on Instagram but you're facetuning your abs, like that is false advertising.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
Well, you just said publicly that you have a tummy tuck. So that means no.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
you're never seeing a dance video from me. That's not happening.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
shake my ass at a party or at the club sure but like i'm not doing choreography right i could do a little two-step here and there yeah but like no no no that's not happening like i'm not renegade was never happening for me yeah i'm not doing renegade i'm not i'm like honestly not doing the apple dance i could do the apple dance the apple dance like from the brat album well who's the brat album brat brat summer is that a person wait this is oh my god this is there's nothing crazy when you realize how like being gay is such a bubble
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
And then I did that for years, kind of until the pandemic. And then that was when I couldn't be performing live anymore. I started making videos online to kind of fill that gap. Okay. And then that kind of changed my career a lot, got a lot more eyes on me. And then I kind of transitioned back into live performance once stages were open again. And then I kind of just kept doing both.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
You don't know about Brat or Brat Summer or the Apple Dance?
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
Brat is the name of a Charli XCX album that was one of the biggest albums this year.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
You should listen to Brad. It's a good album. Okay. But there was like a dance to this song that was like very popular. And I can literally pull up the dance because I know that I follow the girl who did it.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
Two different... I would say yes, it's rave music. No, it's not like Panic at the Disco. Okay. It's like... Because I love Panic at the Disco. It's not Panic at the Disco. It's like Manic at the Rave, kind of, would be more the vibe.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
Wait, that's crazy that you've never heard of Brat. Okay, cool. I love that.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
If he's done the Apple dance. Yeah. Your son definitely knows who Charlie XCX is.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
Do you listen to music at all, really? Are you not, like, a music person? No, no, no.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
The one that came out 15 years ago that like is now just resurfering. Yeah.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
I mean, yeah. God bless. But, um, thank Rihanna. No, I think like, let's start. I think after, I think on your drive back to Delaware later, listen to brat, listen to, um, the chapel run album.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
Oh, that's hard. It really changes. I mean, like my like diva that raised me is Lady Gaga for sure. For sure. But like I listen, I listen to like a lot of music.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
Um, I've never like super connected. I do really like the song with Beyonce and he looked so good during that Beyonce performance. Yeah. But I, oh, I did like that one song on the Spider-Man soundtrack, Sunflower.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
I think there's so much, like, It's like algorithms. I feel like, I don't know. It's such an insane world to try to break out. There's so many people out there now. But no, you should check out Tinashe. I think you would really connect with her music.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
Oh, I haven't listened. No, he's so hot. He's hot. I like a lot of his music and everyone's like really going up for the new album. I haven't listened to it yet, but I'm excited too.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
I think it depends all on timing. I think outside of 24 hours, it's not rude. I think just being like, hey, I'm not feeling well, or this thing came up. Obviously, depending. If it's a big plan, if it's a reservation that was really hard to get and you've been looking forward to it, they're within that. Day of canceling pisses me off, unless it's an emergency.
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Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
Sometimes it's just fucking rude. You're being an asshole. I also think in general, there was this like thing that was kind of going, I feel like every generation develops a version of this. And I feel like that I really remember hating it when millennials were doing it. And I feel like it's kind of coming up in Gen Z now where like, it becomes like cool to be antisocial.
Barely Famous
Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
Like there was like very much that, like that, like, that like millennial thing of like, like, like being like what, what people thought my twenties would be. And it's like people at a club and like what I actually wanted my twenties to be. And it's like drinking wine alone on the couch. And it's like, so that's like lonely alcoholism. Like, let's be serious. Like,
Barely Famous
Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
And I just feel like there was this thing of like people being like there were so many memes about like being so excited when someone else cancels plans. And I was like, that's never been my experience. Like I want to be out in the world with people and socializing. And I'm not saying everyone has to be an extrovert.
Barely Famous
Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
But I think sometimes I'm like, I think what you actually guys are actually doing is falling into like the traps of capitalism where now all you do is work and then you don't spend time with your friends and be out and be social. I think it's like I'm very pro like, no, go do plans. Be out there. I mean, it's why I live in New York. You know what I mean?
Barely Famous
Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
Yeah. I mean, I'm like, I'm sort of the opposite where I would say I'm maybe staying in two nights a month. I'm like out there always. Um, but similarly, but, but almost the opposite, like, I don't have any kids. And part of why I know I don't want kids is because I like this part of my life being super social. And two, one of the only things that has sucked about – not even sucked.
Barely Famous
Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
One of the only downsides to becoming a full-time comedian is I lost coworkers. I don't have – I work alone.
Barely Famous
Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
Do you know what I mean? Yeah. My working is like writing alone on my laptop going – And, like, obviously if I go to a show, like, I have, like, fellow comics. Right. And, like, I'll see them there, but that might be one hour of my day.
Barely Famous
Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
Right, but, like, back when I worked in restaurants, you know, I would see, like, I would have, like, my crew of people that I saw, like, 30 hours a week. And, like, did I like working in restaurants? Like, yes and no. But, like, did I like having friends...
Barely Famous
Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
that I saw like 30 hours a week yes I did like that and that's gone from my life so to fill that social tank I'm out there a lot like if you're out if your co-workers are your friends I think that makes a lot more sense yeah and I think there's also like that fine line between like your co-workers are not your friends but in this industry and what I do for work it's very different than
Barely Famous
Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
I think they're just different again. I think it's just different. I think that like, you know, people of like taste move to like cities. Like, you know what I mean?
Barely Famous
Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
I just think they're different. I do. I connect more with New York always. It's my home. You know what I mean? Um, but I don't think there's anything. I always think that like people who get really obsessed on like this versus that with like the cities, it's like you're, you're insecure in your own city. Do you know what I mean?
Barely Famous
Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
Like if you really fucked with like New York gays, like you wouldn't have to shit on the LA gays. You know what I mean? You just be like a New York gay.
Barely Famous
Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
I think that there's like teasing. You know what I mean? Yeah.
Barely Famous
Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
I feel like, I feel like there's like the stereotypes, but again, I think it's like very internet based of like on Twitter and stuff. Like you'll have like, and it's not just LA. Like, I feel like there's like a lot of jokes about like DC gays or like, Oh really?
Barely Famous
Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
Or like Boston gays. Like, I feel like there's like stereotypes within the gay community of the different cities. And I think that shit's all fun. But at the end of the day, if someone's like, I fucking hate Boston,
Barely Famous
Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
is that people will comment on my videos accusing me that my voice is fake, that this isn't my real voice.
Barely Famous
Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
And people talk about it all the time. I get comments on it. They'll be like, why does he do that with his voice? They're like, why does he make his voice gayer for views? Wait, what? I just thought it was you. And it's so crazy because as a child, I was literally bullied for how I talk. And so it's so crazy for me.
Barely Famous
Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
So then I did a whole series of videos where I revealed my real voice to be like, sorry guys, you caught me.
Barely Famous
Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
It takes me a minute to get into it, but yeah, I can do it. Ask me some questions and I'll answer them.
Barely Famous
Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
It sort of depends on the season and what event I'm going to. I really like, you know, during the summer I tend to say more neutrals. That feels so unnatural. It's uncomfortable. I try to set my voice in a little bit lower part of my throat and just be honest and open about who I really am.
Barely Famous
Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
how i actually talk uh and it feels uncomfortable because it's it's scary being who you actually are you know and uh i can only do it for so long before i start to actually feel crazy like i have to yeah for sure but this the one that i there was like two different ones that i saw and the mom was like yelling at her son and she's like why the fuck are you talking like because she was like
Barely Famous
Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
slash j cornell okay and you can sign up there and you'll get like alerts when my when i'm coming to like your city or a city near you and then where can people find you on tiktok what's your jake w cornell it's perfect love that thank you so much for coming on this was so fun if you ever want to come back let me know anytime
Barely Famous
Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
Yeah. I mean, I started posting really early days. Like I started posting on TikTok in 2020. Okay. Yeah. It was like there weren't as many people on it. So like if you made a video that was funny, like it was getting a lot of views.
Barely Famous
Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
I can't call myself that, but I'll take the compliment. Thank you.
Barely Famous
Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
No. So I was making I was just making funny videos. I first the first video I posted, I actually didn't post on TikTok because like TikTok to me felt early days like it was not for me. The kind of videos are being posted that were really funny were more like.
Barely Famous
Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
absurdist and weird or like that's what I was watching and I was like oh like I don't think my my stuff would translate there as well so I was posting it on Instagram and then someone was like you should be posting this on TikTok and I was like oh I guess so and then I made a couple TikToks they did really well and so I just kept posting there and yet my TikTok grew really quickly again because there's just I don't think there were that many people posting there
Barely Famous
Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
I think you can't claim you should be like, if I were like, I'm one of the best New York gays, like you can't do that.
Barely Famous
Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
Um, and I, and then my Instagram followed shortly after and then, yeah, it just kind of kept growing, which was amazing.
Barely Famous
Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
I'm upset for like, I think it's scary that the government is like taking a thing away and like with like when clearly the population doesn't want it. And like, I think that like there's scary things about that for sure.
Barely Famous
Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
um and I think that a lot of people are going to be really negatively affected like I overall I overall think it is like a net bad for sure I agree um in terms of like me and my career like
Barely Famous
Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
fortunately i also have instagram and i also my whole thing from the beginning was like i never want like the reason i was like i prefer comedian over influencer is like i never wanted to be like a social media personality or like an influencer that's not my passion it's not your bread and butter right like it's in addition to what you're already doing right and so i always i always had like a personal rule of like i don't view that part of my life as my job like okay i like
Barely Famous
Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
No, that's different. That's like a vocation. I can't claim the best of an identity, I feel like. You know what I mean? For fear of what the reaction from the other New York A's would be. Also, that's an incredible population to say you're the best of. We're talking about some of the best artists in the world. I think you're one of the best. Well, I'll take the compliment. Thank you so much.
Barely Famous
Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
the videos I post, I mean, you've seen them. I, it's literally me walking down the street, talking into my headphone mic. And that's really is as simple as it's always been is like, I'll be walking to the gym, get an idea, talking to my mic for a minute and then post it.
Barely Famous
Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
Yeah. It's my warmup. Let's call it my warmup. I could never, I love, I should, I walk a lot, but I think that's also part, but, but to that end, like, it's not like I'm losing my creative outlet. Like I'm very fortunate that I'm performing live. I'm writing projects. I'm like, I'm doing other things. Um, it's mostly helpful for me to sell tickets to my live shows.
Barely Famous
Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
So hopefully I can keep doing that on Instagram and hopefully people who see me live can come, can, will tell other people, go see him live or podcast or whatever. Um, so yeah, it's, I have complicated feelings about it. I feel fortunate that I don't personally feel like I'm losing my job.
Barely Famous
Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
what about it angers people so they say that? But the actual argument of, like, it not being... I don't understand what angers people. Yeah. Like, do I think it has, like, insane perks? Yes. Do I think that... But the... Do I also think it's absurd that you can make X thousands of dollars off of posting one one-minute video? You know what I mean? But that's not our fault. Correct.
Barely Famous
Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
You know what I mean? The system exists. Yeah. There are other things. Health insurance is absurd, in my opinion, yet working for health insurance companies is still a real job. I don't know. That wasn't even the most sound argument. But it sort of is. I don't know. If you do something that pays you money, I think it is innately a job. Yeah. So there's that.
Barely Famous
Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
Yeah. I mean, I would leave if like I booked a show in LA or if I booked, you know, I would go do that. But like, New York is home for sure.
Barely Famous
Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
I love the West coast. It's not for me. It's, I always say when people do like the kind of New York versus LA thing, my thing is it's not about being anti LA. It's just that New York is my home.
Barely Famous
Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
You know, it's like, it's not about not, it's not about not wanting to, to be somewhere else. It's about not wanting to not be here. Do you know what I mean? I get that. I can get that.
Barely Famous
Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
It's overwhelming. It's also not for everyone. I think that's the other thing is that I think people feel with New York that it's like, it's a, it's a morally virtuous thing to want to live here or it's a cool thing to want to live here. It's a cool thing. It's like a good personality trait to have lived here. And I'm like, it's just not for everyone. You know what I mean?
Barely Famous
Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
I feel like people do it to be like, you know, I wanted to be able to say I lived in New York. I feel like you'll hear that a lot as someone who's moving. Like, you know, I came here. I did the New York thing. I wanted to say I lived here for a few years. And I'm like, that's weird to me.
Barely Famous
Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
That's not how people talk about other places. I did the thing. I moved to Skokie. I wanted to say I lived in Skokie. What the fuck is Skokie? It's a suburb of Chicago. I don't know why that was the first thing that came out of my head. I just think it's an interesting thing. It's like
Barely Famous
Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
No, I think the purpose of living somewhere, unless you have to live there for whatever X, Y, Z reason, is to invest in a community, invest in a place emotionally and interpersonally. And if you're moving here just to say you were here for a few years and then leaves, you're kind of just a leech, in my opinion. I can see that. Yeah.
Barely Famous
Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
I think that watching what they've done for each other, like coming out for each other.
Barely Famous
Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
Right now, I think disproves a lot of that, but I understand. I think there are people in every city like that. And I think social media is, entertainment highlights those people more than other people, like disproportionately.
Barely Famous
Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
Yeah. I think that like, I mean, I think that you have like a little bit more
Barely Famous
Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
to prove in certain ways and i do think but like i don't i guess like with that i don't try to think about it too much because i'm not really in control of it right you know what i mean all i can do is be good yeah and let that speak for itself i think the thing i get a lot that always makes me laugh is like you know and like like people will come see me live i've been touring since since uh last july so i've been i've been doing i've done you're not burnt out
Barely Famous
Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
You also have seven kids. You know what I mean? That makes sense.
Barely Famous
Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
Like I'm originally from New England. I'm from Rhode Island originally, which is like where my whole family is.
Barely Famous
Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
But that's still part of your life. You have a lot more responsibilities than me, objectively. You know what I mean? I think that I can just hop on a plane. I don't have to worry. You know what I mean? Right. But that's still to say, I've met hundreds of people who have come to my shows and stuff. And I'm so thankful for them to comment. It's so funny.
Barely Famous
Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
But so often what they'll say is like, you know, we didn't know if you were going to be good because we haven't. And I only have just now I was really, really bad for a long time about taping my live stuff and putting it online. Like, OK, so it's like I understand if you watch kind of. Oh, we were talking about that off mic.
Barely Famous
Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
But like kind of like people don't always translate outside of like the box they put themselves on.
Barely Famous
Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
Outside of their own channel or outside of their own production. Yeah.
Barely Famous
Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
So, I, a lot of times after shows, people were like, that was so great. We were nervous. It wasn't going to be like, or like, we didn't know, or like, I'm actually so surprised. And it's like, it's funny because for me, I've been doing, I've been on stage longer than I've been online. You know what I mean? Like I've been doing comedy live for 11 years.
Barely Famous
Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
I've been doing posting videos online for four or five. I mean, coming up on five. So it's like, to me, I'm like, yeah,
Barely Famous
Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
it makes sense to me why you would think that and i actually kind of like it i like that people i would rather people come and be like oh shit he's good at what he does like and i feel like it's his other side of me people don't the inner like a lot of people in new york know about it and a lot of people have seen me across the country now touring have seen it but like showing people like oh there's a different side to me that's not talking to a microphone on this on my phone that is also has something to offer and it's been fun to like see that and it's
Barely Famous
Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
it's fun to see how it's like evolving and how it will continue to evolve.
Barely Famous
Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
Gay Brooklyn dad is like, um, very, he has a name. Um, I've never named him.
Barely Famous
Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell
Um, but I've named all the other people in his life, but his whole thing is very, you know, he's, it's like, he's like the Brooklyn version of keeping up with the Joneses. You know what I mean? It's very like, he's very concerned about,
Barely Famous
From Isaac to Elliott: A Story About Identity and Boundaries
Welcome to the shit show. Things are going to get weird. It's your fave villain, Kale Lowry. And you're listening to Barely Famous. Happy Friday, everyone. Welcome to Barely Famous. Kristen's sitting with Elliot and myself for this episode. And she's not on camera, but she will be interviewing us for Elliot's episode. Happy Pride, everyone. I'm super excited to sit here with my son, Elliot.
Barely Famous
From Isaac to Elliott: A Story About Identity and Boundaries
I had words with two people specifically who did not come to me and they reshared stuff about you that really pissed me off. I blocked them. I told them, don't ever fucking talk to me again. Because at the point that you and I did not share them and you did not share them, what the fuck made you think that that was okay for you to reshare that without talking to me and confirming with me?
Barely Famous
From Isaac to Elliott: A Story About Identity and Boundaries
It did not come from either one of us. Right. I think those are fair boundaries and what's understood should not have to be explained. But for some reason, we're sitting here and explaining. And I think the cool thing about Patreon, like the people who are on this Patreon. It's real.
Barely Famous
From Isaac to Elliott: A Story About Identity and Boundaries
They are respectful and they have been patient and they know that you're going to share and I'm going to share what we want to share. And they're the ones who are supporting you and they're the ones who...
Barely Famous
From Isaac to Elliott: A Story About Identity and Boundaries
um are going to support you whether you decide to share what's in your personal life or you don't they're just here to support you and i love that about this community specifically because they're not pressuring you i see their comments i read what they have to say i know i see their feedback and they're not they don't expect you to just share everything and i think that's what that's the community that we want to continue to build off of and obviously we know that the internet comes with trolls and the internet comes with people who are hateful and they want to they prey on downfalls but
Barely Famous
From Isaac to Elliott: A Story About Identity and Boundaries
I think for this community itself, like, we're not really speaking to you guys. We're sort of speaking to everybody else who is not being respectful of a minor, right? Like, at the end of the day, you are a minor.
Barely Famous
From Isaac to Elliott: A Story About Identity and Boundaries
And for people to go on social media and talk about your sexuality or to talk about, you know, people in your personal life, your friends, on their social media is, to me, crazy because you are a minor and your friends are minors.
Barely Famous
From Isaac to Elliott: A Story About Identity and Boundaries
So some will argue, then why be online at all?
Barely Famous
From Isaac to Elliott: A Story About Identity and Boundaries
Well, I think it's a catch-22, which is what we were talking about before we started rolling. It's like, it is a catch-22 because... We have created a safe space within this community on Patreon and most of the Kale Lowry universe, we'll call it. We've created a safe space, but there are obviously going to be trolls that infiltrate that somehow.
Barely Famous
From Isaac to Elliott: A Story About Identity and Boundaries
It's a catch-22 for you too because you're in a weird position where you're like a pseudo-Nepo baby and you have the ability to make money on social media at 15 years old. And you have the ability to share your passions for...
Barely Famous
From Isaac to Elliott: A Story About Identity and Boundaries
you know like ASL and pride and like just be a regular kid on social media because so many regular kids have social media but then what is the balance like yeah and I think it's just trying to figure out what that balance is you know in this unique position that you're in
Barely Famous
From Isaac to Elliott: A Story About Identity and Boundaries
Yeah. And that's a fair ask, I feel.
Barely Famous
From Isaac to Elliott: A Story About Identity and Boundaries
It's been... A roller coaster because obviously I'm so proud of him. I'm so proud of you. And I want people to see you and like know you and feel your energy and like. You're so passionate about things that people, I think, overlook. And so on one hand, I like want you to do all the things right. Like you have a real opportunity to impact people's lives in a really important way.
Barely Famous
From Isaac to Elliott: A Story About Identity and Boundaries
And, you know, I know that we've, we've faced a lot of challenges leading up to this point and, Um, Not that I ever didn't want you to share who you are with the world, but I just out of protection wanted to make sure it was the right time and the right place and in the right way.
Barely Famous
From Isaac to Elliott: A Story About Identity and Boundaries
But on the other side of it, like I understand what comes with that. And I just want to protect you from all of those things. And it's hard because I don't. And I'm speaking for the entire cast, and I hope they don't get mad at me for saying this, but I truly don't think that any of us understood the implications and impact of what we would have on our children. And at the end of the day, like,
Barely Famous
From Isaac to Elliott: A Story About Identity and Boundaries
we weren't thinking that we were exploiting our children for myself. I signed up for the show out of pure desperation and needing money and needing to figure out a way out of the situation that I was in. I don't think that I ever thought about where we would be in 15 years. I thought it was right now. I'm going to get paid. I'm going to figure this out and I'll get my life together for my son.
Barely Famous
From Isaac to Elliott: A Story About Identity and Boundaries
And so I have a hard time now because I'm, I know the benefits of social media. I understand the benefits of being a public figure, the opportunities that can come from it. But I also know where that leaves us mentally sometimes. It can be draining. It can be so many good things, but it can be so many bad things. And so as your mom...
Barely Famous
From Isaac to Elliott: A Story About Identity and Boundaries
I want to protect you and I want to be able to say, okay, that's great, but don't do this, this, and this. But I also understand as a human being that sometimes we have to learn the fucking hard way. We've got to do it ourselves to learn that lesson. And sometimes it's the same lesson over and over again until you fucking get it. I don't know.
Barely Famous
From Isaac to Elliott: A Story About Identity and Boundaries
It's a really weird place to be because I know so many people that I've talked to on Barely Famous that have been like, I would never let my child be a part of this industry or my child's never getting social media or I understand all sides of it. And I think that no one situation is alike necessarily. But I know for you. there's a place for you to be passionate about ASL online.
Barely Famous
From Isaac to Elliott: A Story About Identity and Boundaries
And there's a passion. There's a place for you to be passionate about your vinyl collection. And there's, you know, room for you to do all the things that you want to do on social media. And there's a balance, but I think that we, we do really need to find it. Yeah. To find your balance, but also for people to respect that, like you are a child.
Barely Famous
From Isaac to Elliott: A Story About Identity and Boundaries
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From Isaac to Elliott: A Story About Identity and Boundaries
Because I think a lot of times I have wanted to say things about myself or explain myself or prove everybody wrong in some way. And my friends will be like, Kale, just wait. Like there's a right time and there's a right place and there's a right way to do it. And you're going to regret it if you do it any other way. So just sleep on it. Give it some time.
Barely Famous
From Isaac to Elliott: A Story About Identity and Boundaries
Social media wasn't out there the same way it is now. So if I was 16 and pregnant today...
Barely Famous
From Isaac to Elliott: A Story About Identity and Boundaries
I would have a, I think I would like to think that I would look at it from a different perspective because I could see all the apps, all the internet, all the trolls, all the forums, all the, all the things back then Instagram came out after you were born or I got on Instagram after you were born. So it was very different. And so I think that also played a part.
Barely Famous
From Isaac to Elliott: A Story About Identity and Boundaries
Do you ever feel resentment because I had us on TV your whole life? Like, do you get upset with me or angry with me ever? No, I... It's okay if you have been.
Barely Famous
From Isaac to Elliott: A Story About Identity and Boundaries
we stopped rolling you asked me if it was important for you to share this and what was it it was about taking pictures with people when people come up to us in public i don't mind i'm an adult i have you know i can make my own decisions but we have come across times where people be like isaac get in it or they'll physically grab him oh yeah specifically the jelly roll concert in philly that lady yeah
Barely Famous
From Isaac to Elliott: A Story About Identity and Boundaries
physically grabbed him to be in the picture that's not okay yeah um just respectfully you know keep in mind he is a child and he's a minor and and he's probably going to say no, regardless. He doesn't like to be in pictures.
Barely Famous
From Isaac to Elliott: A Story About Identity and Boundaries
Well, I think it's hard too because, I mean, we don't know where these pictures are going. We don't get to see them. If they're on somebody else's phone, we don't get to see them. So it's like we don't know where they're going. And you can't ask them. I have three chins sometimes. So I don't want – if I have – it's an ugly angle. I don't want it to get posted, but people get so excited.
Barely Famous
From Isaac to Elliott: A Story About Identity and Boundaries
And I get it. Like I do. But he's a child. They go through puberty. They're going through their own little identity things and trying to figure out who they are. They don't want pictures like that on the internet. Yeah.
Barely Famous
From Isaac to Elliott: A Story About Identity and Boundaries
And I feel like that's exactly what we're doing today is finally being able to share your story on your terms and your words and not letting other people influence your decision or take away your autonomy and your ability to share your own story. So it's going to be an emotional experience. Episode 90 seconds in already crying. So I'm just proud of you.
Barely Famous
From Isaac to Elliott: A Story About Identity and Boundaries
truly with the rise of ai that can do anything with any image that's terrifying oh yeah that's another thing and so we're not saying this to be mean and say like we're not thankful for you guys because i think what you're saying is like you love to talk to people i love it but the pictures is it's hard it's ai is so powerful but also so scary it is you know we're not saying it to be rude or not thankful for you guys it's just you know yeah keep in mind he's a minor yeah
Barely Famous
From Isaac to Elliott: A Story About Identity and Boundaries
But he's still a human being.
Barely Famous
From Isaac to Elliott: A Story About Identity and Boundaries
Can I share why I... Thought you were not doing Isaac to build a separation between your life on teen mom and who you are today.
Barely Famous
From Isaac to Elliott: A Story About Identity and Boundaries
That's why I thought that we, I mean, and I don't really remember the conversation. I just know that like Elliot started coming home and like all his teachers. So you started going to a new high school. It wasn't the high school that you like would have gone to. Um, The paperwork all said Elliot, like the teachers were writing Elliot and it was like comments about Elliot.
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And I was like, wait a minute, are we going by Elliot now? And it's so funny because it's hard once you know somebody has a certain name, right?
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My childhood people, you know, my mom's whole side of my family, even my dad's side of the family calls me Kaylin. Like it will never be Kale.
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I got the nickname Kale when I was in eighth grade and it's stuck ever since. So for me, I don't... If you call me Kaelin, you must have known me from my childhood.
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So for you, everyone's always called you Isaac. So now retraining our brains to call you Elliot, obviously we're getting used to it. But Creed... Yeah, started calling me... Recently, he's four and he started calling you Elliot. And it's so funny. He's like, who, my brother Elliot? And I'm like, first of all, how easy was that for him? But like, I think...
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I can appreciate the separation between who you were and who you are today. I think that that is cool for you to recognize. It's cool for you to sort of
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And I hope that maybe this will help somebody watching the story, like look at someone that they love, and maybe they have been homophobic or haven't been supportive of someone.
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I couldn't think of a – I wanted your first name to be Elliot, but I couldn't think of a middle name at that time. If I could go back, I'd name you Elliot Ace.
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Yeah. That would be what I would have named you.
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Because I didn't – Isaac is cool.
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When people call me Kaylin today, obviously you can call me that. But Kristen can call me whatever she wants. But when certain people refer to me as Kaylin, I'm like, you don't have a right to call me that. It's weird.
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It's not who I am. It is, but I get it. I get what you're saying.
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you know being gay or part of the queer community I really hope that this will challenge them and cause them to self-reflect a little bit and understand that like it doesn't matter who you love at the end of the day like as long as you're happy and safe like that is the goal right like life is hard enough I don't I don't get it and I have just loved you through all of it through everything so that's my little those are my feelings
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There's so many things I want to say. There's specifically to this, nobody wakes up and tells their family they're straight. Literally nobody.
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The other thing is, being born gay versus choosing to be gay, are you choosing to be straight? Because last time I checked, when you are straight, you just wake up and you're straight. So why would it be different for someone who's... Nobody's choosing to put themselves in a place where they're facing adversity and dangerous situations. Nobody's choosing... I agree. Yeah.
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Your child is not choosing this. This is something that is... They're born with. I believe they're born with. And so if you don't like what I have to say, I encourage you to do some research to really look into it and understand why you just feel like it's wrong. That is the only reason. You feel like it's not natural, but it is.
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Because if it wasn't, nobody would choose just to be gay, just to be gay.
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It's easier said than done. I also think that people are homophobic and don't realize they're homophobic. They don't understand why they're homophobic. They just have been taught their whole lives that it's not natural and to be gay or to be part of the queer community. And I think that they have to understand that first. And that takes a certain level of self-awareness to even get to that point.
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And so there's a lot of work that needs to be done. But like I said earlier, I think when you have kids, you have to choose to love them unconditionally because you cannot control who they love. You cannot control what their sexuality is. And for me, I never gave a fuck. I, if you came home and told me that you wanted to marry a woman, cool. You tell me you want to marry a man. Cool.
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I don't give a fuck because at the end of the day, that part does not affect me or my life. It only affects you and who you love is who you love at the end of the day. I'm not going to sever a relationship with my child based off of who he loves or doesn't love. Right. I'm not going to forfeit a relationship with you because I don't – but I also don't think that way either.
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Like I am also – I love who I love. I've been with women. I've been with men.
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Because sometimes you don't even know someone's gay.
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I think that there is a stigma surrounding the queer community, the gay community, that is like you're different.
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Again, like, I can't put myself there because I don't have those same, like, thoughts or concerns. Just, like, I just never cared.
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Yeah. And they don't... It's, like, implicit.
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immerse yourself in the community try to like you just have to realize that we're not different we're just regular people how did you know that i was a safe space for you to be yourself and to be gay like how did you know that you could trust me or that you could talk to me or tell me or how did you know like what was it well don't cry again
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But how do you know that?
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And what about your brothers? Did you feel the same way about them? Yeah. Yeah. Because I don't think they care. Yeah. Although Lux thought you twerked and that meant you were gay.
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I don't think Lincoln ever cared either. No.
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It's not contagious. I think people are worried too.
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Interesting. Okay, that's interesting.
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Yeah. Yeah. I would agree with that. It's so interesting, though, because I'm like, there are people who don't want their kids around gay people or whatever. And it's like, but my kids around my other sons are around you. You're gay and they're not and they're not affected by it. They don't care. If anything, they'll just ask you questions because they don't know.
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But it's almost like normalizing it for them because they don't think any different of you. You're just their brother.
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Do you feel as though I did anything or your dad did anything in your childhood to make you gay? No.
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People have said that you weren't around your dad enough or I, you know, was doing certain things in my parenthood that... turned you gay. Do you feel like any of that is true?
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So to you, when you look at a man or a woman, what is masculine to you for your generation? What would you say is masculine?
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Or would you say they're just crying?
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Okay, so men crying in our generation, millennials, is not normal. It should be. It should be. And that's why... And that's why part of this is good for this entire conversation is like how we view masculinity versus femininity.
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This is going to be emotional. I have no makeup on because I know I'm going to cry. So are you excited? You nervous?
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So your generation is more so deconstructing the gender roles and the stigma surrounding masculine energy or masculine behaviors versus feminine behaviors and things of that nature. I think that your generation is deconstructing that where – and millennials too. I think millennials are starting the breakdown. But for me, like I grew up with the men in my life and the men –
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My grandfather, my uncles, you wouldn't catch them crying. You wouldn't catch them talking about their feelings. You don't catch them, you know. It's just not healthy, though. It's not, but we know that now, but for generations and things before me, it's like, that was not something that's why, I mean, being gay and being part of the queer community was not talked about.
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It was like, don't ask, don't tell. You don't talk about it. You just, if you know, you know, and you might want to stay away from them because it might be contagious. We're like, today it's like, we're having bigger conversations and raising more awareness around it just being normalized.
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You went to prom. You were asked to prom by a junior.
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A male. Mm-hmm. And those pictures and videos were leaked.
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And then I got home crying.
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How were you feeling when you saw that everything was leaked?
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There's Alessandra, myself, Kristen and Elliot in the room.
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At the point that you did not post it yourself or I did not have permission to post it on your behalf was just a violation. It wasn't even about respect. It was the fact that you're a minor and it was a huge violation of just your privacy in general. And I think that that was really, really heartbreaking. Yeah.
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And maybe they weren't out yet.
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Maybe he wasn't out. Maybe his family didn't know. Maybe his friends didn't know. And now you've put them in a dangerous, both my son and, you know, his date, you put them in a very dangerous position.
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And I think just to have your post go viral or your post get likes, or for your post, like for that instant gratification of yourself, you leaked pictures of minors to be able to say that you heard it first or that you have the information first, or you knew it, you called it.
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Not even money. Because I don't even think anyone got paid. I mean, I think the TikToks maybe, but...
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reposting pictures um for what and that's the problem it people don't understand that if i don't share it it shouldn't be out there you know if you did not share it yourself on your public and and that's the catch-22 that we were talking about is like your private internet stuff is not actually private it's private but it's not private people will people that are on it
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And I've learned that the hard way and I've learned it so many times and I still haven't really learned it is like I want to give people the benefit of the doubt and I want to trust the people around me. And I think, oh, I can just post this on my on my personal Facebook.
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But there are people in your real life circle, unfortunately, that will want to they will prey on your downfall and they will post it and they will take it. And you'll never know. You'll know when you'll find out when it's entirely too late.
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Originally, before this episode that we're recording today came out, he came to me and said that he was ready to come out publicly. And he wanted to do it on Instagram.
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It made me nervous for you to post something on Instagram and then other people to screen record, make videos and make money off of you coming out. It's exploitative and it's not fair. And so if you're going to share your story, then you should be able to tell your story in your own words. I'm not making a dime of profit off of this. This is going to you.
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So you have the right to tell your story, but you should be the one benefiting from your story. And that was what was important to me for you as your mom. Part of the reason why I was just saying like for people to repost and to reshare, to be able to have the final.
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Final word on who you are and what you're posting and who you love is like... To me, it's disgusting for everyone out there that thinks that this was done for money. It's not. It's just... You know, Elliot felt like it was time to share his story. And in my opinion, he should be the one that collects any money that comes from it. It's his story, his words, his terms, his everything.
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Yeah. Once all these pictures and things leaked on social media, they just kept coming.
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You texted me and you said, I'm not letting this slide, by the way, I won't wait till pride weekend. And I will be posting a video about this because my boundaries are crossed and I won't let it go on anymore. We have made it very clear to them and they continue to disrespect me. It was, it's, It was a full circle moment for me because I have been in that place so many times.
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And Kristen, Alessandra, other people have said, Kale, just wait, just wait, just wait, just wait. And I would be so angry and so upset and so heartbroken about whatever it was that I just wanted to speak on it right now.
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And this is where that cliche saying comes in, like, what's done in the dark will come to light. But I literally texted Elliot back and I said, don't do that. You're going to regret it. I promise you.
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And any time that I have immediately responded out of, you know, being emotionally charged, anger, hurt, whatever, because I wanted to explain myself and get the last word and for people to see me for who I am. It always backfired and it always made things worse. And you said, in what way will I regret this? And I said, they will not listen to you either way, no matter what you do or say.
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You're letting them win if you do that. And I don't agree or support you posting the video. You said, I'm a human being. And if I speak up, they'll shut up. And I said, you're allowing them to rip this from you. They don't give a fuck. And no, they won't shut up. They literally won't. They'll spin whatever you say and it'll get worse. You'll give them everything they want.
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They'll say, oh, confirmed. Yep. He said it. I knew it. And then what? You said, but they're going to rip it from me anyway, so I might as well speak up. And I said, might as well not. You're acting on emotion and impulse right now.
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And you said, but I can't wait any longer. I said, you're not going to solve anything. I understand the frustrations because I've been there. You can absolutely wait. You're going to make it worse. I have not seared you wrong yet. And it's not worth it, Elliot. I promise you. And you said, I just don't understand people. I responded and said, you will drive yourself crazy trying to.
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You cannot control what they do. You need to take time. Use this as fuel to make sure you say everything you want to say. Write it in a note on your phone, but you cannot let them win this. And he said, OK, I love you. You're right. I am acting on impulse. It's just not fair that they can get to me like this. And I don't even know them.
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And I just said, it's okay to be mad, but write it all out on your phone so you start to feel better. It's not fair. It's actually heartbreaking. And I fully agree. This is something that you should be able to speak out on your own terms. And you shouldn't be responding simply because people are –
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instigating and making you feel like shit about it it's like yeah this should be a proud moment it should be a happy moment it should be everything that you want it to be to inspire other people and i don't want you to speak out because you're angry or you're hurt yeah it definitely was um out of impulse after that that i wanted to speak up sooner um
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I think I've said enough things out of anger and you've seen that and felt it that it never really turned out well for me. Yeah.
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I felt it from both sides. Like I felt like I understood both sides of it for the first time. I understood your perspective or Alessandra's perspective or anyone in my corner's perspective for the first time on the other side of it. And like in the moment, You don't want to hear it. You're like, but I want to do this. I want to say this. I want to get this off my chest.
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But like truly there is no – they're going to feel how they're going to feel regardless. So let them hear this entire episode. Let them hear it from your own mouth. Let them – let you not be emotionally charged and it will be perceived –
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they're going to end up having their own feelings regardless, but it might be perceived differently when you're speaking from a place of love and compassion and inspiration and aspiration and all of those things versus emotionally charged anger. Because I mean, look at my entire life on team up. Everything came from an emotionally charged place. Everything came from an angry place.
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And a lot of people did not. I mean, I'm getting messages now that are hearing me from the podcast saying, Oh, I have a completely different perspective because you said it differently.
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You have a different tone on your podcast versus on the TV. That would have been you. Elliot is speaking from a place of anger, of hurt, of heartbreak, of, you know, all of these things versus you coming on here now and having an actual conversation and a dialogue versus talking at people.
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Couldn't have said it better. Thank you all so much for tuning into part one. I hope you guys will spread love and positivity surrounding this. I hope that you guys will show Elliot support and give him grace through all of this. This is a very brave thing for him to do. And I hope that you guys tune in for part two.
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And Isaac is going by Elliot now. We'll talk about why I didn't wear any makeup today because I... Figured I'd probably cry at some point. And, um, it's probably best just to go in fresh face. I'm super excited and also nervous apprehensive a little bit because obviously this is a very sensitive subject or maybe should be treated with care. Um,
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Yeah, I think some of the conversations that you and I have been having lately is that there is a difference between your private life and your public life and you have every right to hold on to certain things to keep them private and to put out whatever it is that you want to put out.
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However, I have tried to explain to Elliot these last several months is that whatever you share on a private platform, unfortunately, We'll also get leaked. So your private Internet life is not actually a private life. Right. And so, you know, I have a private Facebook page that I don't add anyone to.
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But I understand that even though those are all people I know in real life and I don't add anyone, I don't know. That's still very possible. I still have to be even careful with that because that can also get out and it has. And so trying to explain that to Elliot has been a little bit challenging because we feel like we can trust the people in our lives.
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But I think that it's become very apparent over the last several months, if not a year, that that's not the case. And so you're trying to find the balance of what you want to share because... Just because you grew up on TV doesn't mean that you necessarily want to put all your business out there like I do.
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And I don't want anyone to ever think that I am teaching you to put all your business out there. It's like whatever you choose for yourself should be respected by the listeners, the viewers. And I think that there is a world where people can love you for putting out what you want to put out and not necessarily putting all of it out.
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People can love you and not expect you to sell your soul to social media.
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I do feel like for my specific situation that I have to put all my business out there and I have to go to extra lengths to film certain things before it gets out by other people. And I don't want my son to live in a world where that's the case. But I do understand that that is the case. We are in a very unique situation where... We, I mean, just to use my own life as an example, right?
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Like it's usually because if I don't, someone else will. It's sort of like my pregnancies. All my pregnancies have been leaked. So for you. I think there's a way to do it where it's private, but it's not a secret.
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Agreed. And for you, I, that's what I would hope is that, but people will respect it. And I think so often to have boundaries. Yeah. Just having boundaries surrounding it, but. boundaries are for us, not for other people that just because we put them and say, these are our boundaries doesn't mean that they're going to follow them.
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Sometimes. Sometimes I think that I've set the tone and there would be so much work to undo and so much reworking and rebranding and re-everything to set boundaries now. I literally talk about shitting myself on the podcast. There are no boundaries in Kill Our World. If anything... Maybe it will help you learn what to do and what not to do.
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From Isaac to Elliott: A Story About Identity and Boundaries
And you can understand how much are you willing to share and set that tone right away, set the bar right where you want it. And so for me, it's like I've already shared so, so, so, so, so much. When I scale back, people think, oh, she's keeping secrets. But really, it's I want to try to maintain some sense of like normalcy or privacy.
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From Isaac to Elliott: A Story About Identity and Boundaries
Yeah. They think I lie. They think I'm keeping secrets. And that's like, you can't help people's perception, but that will happen to you too. So you have to be careful and have to be sort of methodic on how you want to approach everything.
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From Isaac to Elliott: A Story About Identity and Boundaries
You know what I mean? Well, I think there's a difference between an influencer, a content creator, and then someone like me who literally shares everything. And I think that you've watched and you've seen rumors about me that you know are not true. And so...
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From Isaac to Elliott: A Story About Identity and Boundaries
you kind of get to look at the bigger picture and decide what you want for yourself when people are not deciding what they want for you and taking it and running.
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From Isaac to Elliott: A Story About Identity and Boundaries
And I'm not crying because I don't want to do this. I'm just crying because this is a really, this shows your strength. I'm just really proud of you. It's a really brave thing to do because not everyone can or wants to, or has the safe space to live authentically like themselves. And so just tears of pride, truly being proud of you.
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From Isaac to Elliott: A Story About Identity and Boundaries
When you say set boundaries, what does that mean for you? Because I think that we need to make that very clear. What are your boundaries? Are you saying that you're not going to talk about your personal life? Are you saying that you'll speak on things when you want, that you really don't want to put your personal life out there? What are the boundaries to you?
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From Isaac to Elliott: A Story About Identity and Boundaries
You don't want people commenting saying... What you should share, what you shouldn't share, what they think of you. You don't want any of that.
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Sleepless in Spain
Welcome to the shit show. Things are going to get weird. It's your fave villain, Kale Lowry. And you're listening to Barely Famous. Welcome to Barely Famous, Kristen. Hello. I'm eating dinner in Spain.
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The palace was really cool. The level of detail and the paintings that were on the ceiling of these rooms that had like a hundred foot ceilings. I don't know if I'm being dramatic about that, but I don't know. No concept of depth and measurement. I have no idea. It's sort of like the ancient Egyptian palace.
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We need to talk to a doctor, okay? Like, here's the thing. This is the craziest... connection but I because you have to be exposed to that bacteria or to that virus or to whatever in order to get said illness right like the people that say oh if you go outside in the cold you're gonna get sick no actually that's not how it works you have to be exposed to said illness right for some reason
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pyramids right like how the fuck do you do these crazy intricate paintings on the ceilings in the fucking 1700s like i just i can't i'm like resourceful they probably built like scaffolding yeah but like even then to to think about it you still have to be laying i guess you would lay on your back And paint?
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But don't you feel like even then it would be sort of skewed to the position that you're in? Like, I'm not going to write the same way with my hand if I'm writing above me.
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Like, it's just so fascinating. So Creed was like, wait, the king died in his room. Like he was so fascinated. And then there was a crown. I didn't get to see the little note card of like whose crown it was, but there was just some really, really cool stuff in there. And they had a one room that was probably more than one room, but that was completely granite. It was all granite.
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um granite every like all the moldings on the wall and stuff we did an aquarium we did segovia tour of segovia i personally would not recommend that with kids i truly if i'm being honest with you guys i would not recommend coming to madrid at all um For me, I just have not found it to be as fascinating as other places. And I would not say that it's kid-friendly to go sightseeing.
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The sightseeing, the sightings are also very far from where we are. So that could also play a role. Segovia specifically was really hard for...
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creed because he's four and it was a lot of walking and so you go and you see this castle and we thought we were going to get to go in the castle the same way to go inside the royal palace so we get there we do a lot of walking we think that we're going to go into the castle and then creed was all disappointed because we didn't get to go in the castle and i can't blame them because i was also disappointed
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So it was just one of those things where it's like, I guess if you have the time and you're in Madrid, like sure, but like don't spend 12 days in Madrid. You know, like if you're going to drive through and maybe see some of like, you could truly in one full day do Segovia, Toledo, the Royal Palace. And then I can't think of a fourth one. You could do them all in one day.
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I mean, it would be a lot of driving, but you could do it. And that's really all you need. A lot of this, it's giving big city in the US. Okay. So yes, there's history here and I don't want anyone that's listening to this to be offended or upset by this, but this is just my, my personal take on it.
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It's just, if you have time to do it as an adult, maybe, but like with kids, no, but I wouldn't have known that if I didn't come.
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there was a European, I want to say he was from London and he was on TikTok and he was, he came, he's in the US right now, or he was in the US when I saw the video. And he's like, you know, a lot of us in my country, we talk about why Americans don't, a lot of them don't have passports and a lot of them don't go anywhere. They don't leave the United States.
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And he gave this whole perspective on how different each of the US states are and why you don't really necessarily
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need to leave the country to see like really cool in different places because we have it all within the us but also that it's so expensive to travel within the united states itself that leaving the country is so expensive for america that a lot of americans just don't do it so it's it's Very different from in Europe. Like I can be in Portugal in five hours. You know what I mean?
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Like I could be, you know, in another country in a couple hours, get on a train and it's not a big deal, but they, we don't have that luxury in the United States. Like we can't get on a train and go to Canada. I mean, we could, I guess in theory, I don't know.
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Every time I don't sleep for several days in a row, and when I say don't sleep, I mean significant hours in the night where I'm not sleeping. I'm not just talking about waking up once, twice, three times, tossing and turning. Like, truly not sleeping, up from one to five, up from one to four, just really, really bad sleep. That LA trip fucked me up. So I'm wondering if...
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Well, I texted Isaac because he did want to come on this trip, but because of the days of school that he would have had to miss and just the workload that it takes to make up work at his school, he was like, I just still can't swing it. I texted him and I was like, you're not missing anything. And I'm glad that you made the decision you made because you would have lost your mind.
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decided to come here and have to make up that amount of work and miss out on that amount and miss out on that amount of in time like real time stuff I think he would have been really really disappointed and really upset and I just told him I was like I'll take you somewhere next year and you know it'll be a time where you don't have school and he was like okay yeah I mean I just I also think
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So we're here for soccer. For anyone who didn't know, I probably talked about it a hundred times. He was picked to play soccer here in Madrid. And it's Saturday. The soccer program was Saturday to Saturday. Okay. But because the eight and a half hour flight and the six hour time change, for us, it made more sense to extend the trip both in the front of the trip and the back of the trip.
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And I did originally have plans to go to Portugal after because it is only a five hour drive. With me getting strep and then how bad the food is and just sort of other logistics of where we're staying, we were like, no, we're not going to Portugal. We'll make a separate trip. Like, absolutely not. The soccer portion itself is every single day.
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So from, I'll do like a little run through of like, this has been every single day for him. So when people were messaging me on like Facebook or texting me and they're like, hey, did Lincoln get to play yet? Did Lincoln get to play yet? No, he got to play every single day. So it's not like, you know, a one and done, like we're paying here to watch him play one time.
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So Saturday to Saturday, 8 30 AM. And mind you, he's in a room with roommates. So he's not staying in my room. He's not staying in the other room that we have. He has two roommates in a room and we don't really see him. So it's like sort of like, um, like a college little experience, like a sweep away camp.
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Except for I'm in the hotel room down the road, down the hallway. So 8.30 breakfast, and then they leave by 9 to go to the soccer field. And they're doing training sessions from 9 to 11. Then they have a snack time. And then they do training from 1 to 2. And then they have lunch. And then they do matches or other training sessions from 5 to 7.
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And then they come home, eat dinner at 8, take a shower, and lights out by 10. So we don't see him except for, um, we can go to games or we can go to a match, but we can't, like, we can't go to the practices and stuff like that. Or I don't know if we can go to the practices, but, um.
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We have been doing better. I think even at home too, like, I think that we sort of were holding ourselves to unrealistic expectations.
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expectations and standard standards for being at lincoln's stuff before we had other kids um you know i had lux and creed but you know he and he had eli but in certain situations i feel like we were like oh we'll always be able to go to every single practice and then you know the older that we got and the more kids that we had specifically me
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Either I was exposed to strep that caused me to not sleep for those days leading up to having strep. Or if not sleeping, I couldn't fight off the exposure to strep. Like, I just don't understand why it's always strep. Like, Kristen, you've known me for 13 years. Why, when I don't sleep, I immediately get strep? I don't understand.
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um but we you know he emailed me the one day and he's like i'm not gonna go to practices on your weeks like if you're gonna be there he only he doesn't need us both to be at every single practice and so that kind of opened my eyes and so it's been okay and i know that he's right here in the hotel and they you know go to the it's it's good and so there was an opportunity for parents to go on a tour with the team
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And I looked at him and I said, do you want me to go on the tour or do you want to be with your friends? And he was like, I want to be with my friends. And I was like, okay. So it was one of those things where like I was trying to let him have a space. I think living with a roommate for a week has really opened his eyes because, you know, he doesn't even share a room at my house.
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So sharing a room with two people that you don't know that you've never met is truly like a college or sleep away camp experience. I think he's really liked it overall. I think it's hard meshing personalities together to sleep in the same room, but he's like, can I come shower in your room? Can I come take a poop in your room? Can I do?
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And so it's just been, I think as a mom, a really, really good experience for him. I don't know how he... I don't know how he feels about it, but I think for him as a mom, I think it's really, really great.
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Oh, and his, and his grandparents, which is so cool. It's also his godmother, which is really cool. And it's for, you know, that's his first cousin. So.
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I don't think any, I mean, I think even Lux and Creed will remember it forever. And Lux and Creed have been making the best of all of it. And, you know, they've learned a lot on the trip. We've been practicing Spanish vocabulary because I can still get on the app for school. And so Lux has been, and we're in the perfect place for that. And so we see words in Spanish and that's helping.
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I mean, I would absolutely do another trip like this, just not here. And I would definitely, do a lot more research about where, because the other thing too, is if I would have known Madrid is what it is, I maybe would have split the trip up with six days and six days being somewhere else. So that way it would have been like two pieces. Yeah. Because like I said, it would just take a train ride.
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I mean, I don't know if that's only for like European citizens. I don't know how it works, but I think that with a little bit more research, I could have done a little bit different planning.
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Right. That's the other part of it is like, you know, we've been going to the games at night, but outside of that, you're like, I don't see him. So yeah, we, I, we didn't know. I, I, and I'm, that's fine. Like it's, it all worked out and I think that it's all still fine. But yesterday we went to, it was like a late, late lunch, early dinner in Segovia.
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And for anyone that's listening to this, that has a weak stomach and Kristen you're eating. So I don't know if I should tell you, but like it is part of the story.
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It'll be fine. Well, trigger warning. It's about a dead animal. So if you don't want to listen, skip the next 10 minutes. Um, so we're at the, we had no idea what to expect. This was included in the Segovia tour. You go into this restaurant, it's been there for like decades. And one of their traditional meals, I guess you would say is like a whole roasted pig.
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And it includes the face and the hooves and everything. Like they, I took a video of it. So I'll post it. I don't know if Instagram will like shut me down, but I'll, I'll post it. So it's this guy. I don't remember what he's called. So I'll do some research and figure out what this man is called, both his name and like what his title is, like what he does.
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But he wears a very specific outfit, we'll call it. And I'm pulling up the video right now. And they serve the pig and it's on a plate. And, you know, you can see it and you can see the things and the hooves and the things. So he's holding a plate, like a dish, right? And he's doing this speech.
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and at the end of it he cuts the pig down the spine with the plate okay and then so he's cutting it down the spine and then he cuts it this way and then he throws the plate on the floor and it shatters and then you eat the pig did you eat it no
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Other cultures have, like, this is not just Spanish culture because I know for a fact that other cultures do this and it could be like, like other Hispanic cultures and I'm sure other cultures in general do this. But Lux was so disturbed. Even Elijah was sick and he couldn't eat. So that surprised me because I feel like Elijah eats everything.
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He literally picks crabs like that's dead on your plate and it's a whole crab. So to me, I'm like, I was a little bit shocked by his reaction to it. But Lux was really upset and we lost our appetite. We didn't even eat the dinner itself, which was like other things besides pork and we couldn't eat.
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Well, so it's sort of the same, and I don't think there's any religious, I don't think there's religious contact, or there might be, actually. Some cultures won't eat, like, shrimp because they're, like, dirty. Yeah, they're, like, bottom feeders. And so in some cultures, it's like, we don't eat shrimp for that reason. And then in other cultures, you're like, throw shrimp on everything.
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My kids aren't eating a whole lot while we're here because the food is not great. But two people have firsthand told me that they had food poisoning here.
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Well, I think that a lot of people who have not been here, and again, this is only speaking to people who have not been here or are not familiar with any Spanish cultures, is that people assume, a lot of people assume that like Spanish food is one in the same, but it's not, right? Like Puerto Rican food is very different than Spanish food in Spain, right?
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Like you can't, you don't go to a restaurant here and ask for rice and beans.
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I think that's what people think is that all Hispanic cultures are classified under one umbrella of Spanish food. But that's not the case. Spanish food is Spain. Puerto Rican food is Puerto Rico. Mexican food is Mexico. You know, Venezuelan food is Venezuela. I think it's very different.
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And so I love like out of all the Hispanic foods that I've tried so far, my number one and my number two is Puerto Rican food and Cuban food. Like those are my two favorite, then probably Mexican number three. Right. But Spanish food is not on the list. Like, what does that say? TikTok, it's like, M&M's not on the list? It's not on the list? No, it's fucking not. And it's what it will be.
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But so they have this dish called paella, which we got on the first day. And it's a rice dish, but it still was absolutely awful. It, like, wasn't good. And then I got crucified on TikTok because I was eating Italian food in Spain. And I said, ma'am, I said, Spain is closer to Italy than the United States.
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What is the difference between eating Spanish or what is the difference between eating Italian food in Spain and eating Italian food in the U.S.? Please explain that to me.
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The first thing he was eating was McDonald's. So I don't know. So I don't understand why I'm getting yelled at for eating Italian food in Spain. Like I'm here to try all the things. And when one thing isn't good, I'm going to try the next. And there is such a melting pot of people here in Spain too. Like I think we call America the melting pot, but Spain has so many different people here.
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little like convenience stores and stuff okay so hotels in america have like a little chance in them yeah like i i don't think you'll see a hotel with a convenience store in them more frequently than you won't here there's no convenience items in the hotel so there's no little corner of the hotel that has snacks and toothbrushes and whatever like tylenol like they don't have that
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um there's also not a variety of snack foods in general like if you go to the grocery store we went to the grocery store and we got bananas apples and oranges as the kids snacks were in here but they don't have like a snack aisle and if they have an aisle that has snacks and it's very minimal which is really just so interesting compared to america i mean there's a reason why we're obese and they're not here um
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Obviously, the outlets are different. So if you're traveling to Europe and you've never been out of the country or you've never been to Europe specifically, you have to get an adapter. And this is an example of an adapter. Oh, these are the prongs that they use here. OK, just check the country that you're going to. And it'll and then get the right adapter accordingly.
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The convenience of things nearby is also like everything from where I'm at right now in this hotel is about 40 minutes. So there's not a whole lot that's like super close.
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There's not like a convenience store nearby to like go get a snack or go get it. Like there's just not that. And then the executive lounge that's here, like upstairs, I, you know, I paid a little extra for it because in another hotel, when we went to Disney, it was like a snack bar with drinks.
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So if you needed a quick snack, you know, and or small plate hors d'oeuvres, whatever small light breakfast, just like anything like that, that's sort of the vibes that I would thought it was. No, there's no food up there. It's just drinks.
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Don't let this bottle fool you. This is not a Mexican Coke. This is absolutely not a Mexican Coke. A Mexican Coke is different.
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Mexico. Mm-hmm. And then they're... They have Fanta here and it tastes like carbonated orange juice. It's not like a regular soda. Excuse me?
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Yes. Okay. But this tastes and smells and feels like carbonated orange juice. But I will say that they're freshly – I'm not an orange juice drinker. I don't like orange juice, but I will drink freshly squeezed orange juice. I do not like any sort of – what is it called? From concentrate? Mm-hmm. I don't like fake orange juice.
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Their fresh squeezed orange juice downstairs in the morning is really good. I'm trying to think what else is different. I see a lot of the kids during the week that are going to school, they walk. There's a lot of walkers. So I think their lifestyle here overall is just healthier than America. And so we're coming over here and not... It's like a shock to our system, right?
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Not even just the culture. It's like the food, the... Just being healthy, walking. Yeah.
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No, and I can get behind that part of it. And I think if you added a little bit of seasoning, I'm not saying preservatives and chemicals and all that, but just like a little bit of seasoning, I can get behind it. You know what I mean? And also just being outside all the time. Soccer is so big over here. I think that's why they also have the program. It's on the TV right now. It's all over.
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And so all these families are coming out to go to the soccer and go to the practices and do this and do that with soccer and whatever other sports that you're playing. And so I think that's also big too is like,
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you know you're you're getting out and you're grown people who are not even playing pro are just going outside and playing soccer for fun which we don't do that no like maybe an occasional softball tournament but nobody's really going out there and doing shit in america
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That's a good point. I mean, the drinking age here is 18, but I think that they're so used to it that it's not a problem the same way it is in the U.S. Yeah.
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I mean, overall, it's definitely an experience. I personally like Barcelona and Mallorca, Spain better than Madrid. But if you can stop for a day or two, definitely don't stay for two weeks.
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I'm wondering the same fucking thing. Oh, also on the way here, when we were stopping our flight here, had a layover in London. Our specific terminal had very little food options. And what little food option there was, the one bao bun spot, my kids would not eat that. They didn't know what it was. They weren't going to try it, whatever. Nobody's problem but my own.
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There was also no convenience store items in that place for kids. So there was snacks there, but there was nothing for kids. No diapers, no wipes. I don't have small children with me, obviously, but, you know, I have Creed. They didn't have children's clothing.
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two times have been horrible one time was in high school where um I tried to drink a soda and it came out my nose because my throat was so big I missed two weeks of school two full weeks like five days and five days and then this time those are the two times that it was the worst out of all um I don't know but honestly you saved my life I'm not even kidding like I'm not even being dramatic like that night before I got diagnosed I feel just dramatic to say that you were diagnosed with strep yep
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So if you're traveling and you're doing like a layover situation or you're traveling at night so that you can wake up in the morning and be refreshed or whatever, like make sure that you have pajamas, diapers, wipes on deck in your carry-on because that is a mistake that if I would have brought Rio and the twins that I wouldn't, I don't think necessarily prepared for because I had never done it and I didn't really know what it looked like.
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In our, not wing, our terminal of that airport, I think it was LWR or LHR, I can't remember, of London, there was nothing. So just keep that in mind. If anyone has any really long trips coming up, pack a carry-on with sleeping items. I wish that I would have put my kids in pajamas. That makes sense. And then brought extra clothes to change into when we got to the lounge.
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We were able to use the lounge for British Airways. So just like a little travel tip. And then also the coloring book bags were an absolute hit. Coloring books were a hit. British Airways, I cannot speak for all three. Like there's first class, business class, and coach. I don't know if coach has them, but where we were, they did have headphones already.
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So I had bought them and put them in their backpacks ahead of time. You won't need those. Yeah. And I'm trying to think what else just to help anyone that's traveling coming up. Coloring is big. Do snacks. A lot of people think that you cannot bring snacks on a plane because you can't bring drinks on a plane. That is not true. You can bring food through security. You cannot bring liquid.
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So keep that in mind. Pack your own tackle box of snacks. What else?
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Yeah. We have a direct flight home and I'm just so fucking thankful. And we get six hours back. So I'm hoping that we're going to sleep so fucking hard. Do you want to say what you, how you feel about Spain?
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He has read more books than me. He's read four fucking books. He's reading them in 24 hours because there's really nothing to do. So like, we'll go do something. And then we come back and we read and the kids play like Creed got this little dinosaur thing at the zoo today. And it's like sort of cute. It's like,
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dinosaurs and like this like little flashlight and i'm like not letting him buy anything that won't fit in his backpack to go back on the plane but i mean these little things that keep him occupied and honestly they're working so it's like not a big deal but like you can um you make the shadows yeah yeah so um anyways for people are like how are you reading with kids on um there well they're self-sufficient
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This book, shout out, her name is actually Alessandra also. Okay. This book is the most sick and twisted thing I've read in a long time. And if you guys liked Never Lie by Freda McFadden, I finally found a book that is comparable to that.
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That's saying a lot because that one is so fucking good. This one is comparable to that. And this is so insane.
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I'm almost done. And so when he finished his book today, which he started yesterday, he asked what he should read. So I said that one. I'm reading it on my Kindle.
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He's already read. He's read two books of book club picks. Sign him up. I told him he's leading the next one. Okay. Tell us about Spain. Tell her about what you think. Pros and cons. Tell us about the seasonings.
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I was in the bed. We have two hotel rooms. So, Elijah was like, you need to sleep in this room by yourself. Like, you can't be with the kids. I was planning out how I was going to go to the hospital and I was going to have to stay there. And Elijah was going to have to fly home with the kids. And we were going to have to explain this to Javi and Chris. Like, I was like... I'm going to die.
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I don't have time because I'm getting a boob job. So I don't have time for that. You're right before the boob job. I need to come from, go to Europe and then go right to boob job.
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No, that's a back size. That's not a... She said 28, 30. I will never be a 28. I'll never be a 28. What is that life like? You're probably a 28 right now. I don't even... What's your bust size?
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I haven't had any real issues. I don't think with, I'm trying to think. Traveling internationally was fine. I think getting sick and getting my period, the same day the doctor told me I had strep, I also got my period. And that was really, really hard because I came into this room and have been trying to like hibernate in here and not get anyone else sick.
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And so basically still needing to push through whatever I need to push through doing, like obviously this recording, but also going to Segovia, going to the zoo. Like those were things that I already booked and I paid for them in advance. And then there was a museum of illusions. He ended up taking the kids there by, by himself.
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And like, he's a trooper, he's fine, but it's like, that's the hard part, right? Like that though, that's the real challenge. Cause I could travel with him. That's fine. He's super helpful, you know, whatever, but. being sick, having my period, still needing to push through to do these things has been a lot because I'm not, my body clearly needed me to slow the fuck down and I didn't.
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And then I still didn't and I'm still not. And so it's just that part is where I'm like, I'm burnt the fuck out and I just want to rip his head off. But it's not his fault, right? Like I can't expect him to read my mind. And so that's been a little bit challenging.
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Like I literally took on my, the comforter from this room, the comforter from that room, put on my jacket, laid in the bed and I'm literally convulsing. My teeth are chattering. Like I didn't know what was going on because that's not a common symptom that I get with strep. Um, but this is the, um, All of the stuff. Yeah, I don't know how to pronounce it in Spanish because it's like a crazy name.
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It's going to do it for you. When you don't choose to take a step back and just slow the fuck down, your body will do it for you. And it's fucked up and it's in some ways causes more issues, right? Like I can't expect my four and seven year old to just be okay sitting in a hotel all day long. So I have to push through even though I don't feel up to it.
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And if I didn't, Elijah still has to come through for that because- you know, we traveled all the way over here. We have to make the best of it. We prepaid for things. And I just, you know, I don't expect them to sit here in the hotel all day long. And so it's been, it's been exhausting.
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And I think just a learning curve, I think moving forward, we know, you know, to extensively, because I just have gone off of past experiences and in other countries where it's like, I do, if the flight is really long, like Hawaii, for example, we were there for over three weeks. You know what I mean? Like I knew like,
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The flight time and the time change alone, I could not get back on a flight with three kids in a week.
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I mean, they have liked the experience. They have thought it like, like I said, Creed was really upset when we couldn't go in the castle. So I'm thankful for the experience in that way. Like they're able to see other places and I couldn't be more thankful for that. And just, you know, Isaac's patience with, you know, him not being able to come or whatever, but I think that we'll make up for it.
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And if nothing else, they all, every single one of us got something from it. And I think that's like the only, that's what we can be thankful for. Elijah started his reading journey when we were here, right? Like that's cool.
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Well, here's the thing. And I was thinking about this when I couldn't sleep. I was like, listen, the books sort of pay for themselves, right? Because if I read them, they got one use and then he reads them and then they get two uses. If Isaac and Lincoln ever choose to read them, then they'll get more. And so like they end up paying for themselves.
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And I feel, I feel justified in not reselling them and I can keep them on my bookshelf. So it's like, okay, this is it. This could be good.
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No, absolutely. I was thinking about making a his and her shelf, like the two black ones in the office. I love that. Like I have a little one in the middle that could be all the unread ones. And then the one, like one of the shelves is hers and one of the shelves is his for like what we've read. But then if we both read something, then what?
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Well, I guess you better start reaching out to all of the authors. Hey.
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Yes, 100%. And like you said, I think that this is a trip that we will remember forever for good or bad reasons. You know what I mean?
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But she said that, first of all, you sent me a link. The doctor was at my hotel to see me within 45 minutes. I didn't even have to go anywhere. So that was so good. I truly love that.
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Oh, 100%. You always will always I'm sure we're gonna laugh about this. And we'll have jokes for date. Like, yes, Thanksgiving here was it was rough.
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I am so jealous of your leftovers. The food here is absolutely disgusting. And my recommendation, if anyone listening to this podcast, is obviously always be thankful, grateful, blessed that you're able to travel, which I am so thankful. But the food here is absolutely awful. So my recommendation would be to probably not come to Madrid. It would be to go to Barcelona, Mallorca, Valencia even.
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We get back to the hotel after we do the tour of Segovia. And if you wanted to do a Thanksgiving dinner, it was $89, $89 American dollars per person. And keep in mind, they don't season food. And it was a plate that was, again, this goes back to Europe being just, I guess, better than us. It was a plate that had about this much food on it for $89 per person.
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And it was green beans, some sort of turkey roll. I think there was meatloaf stuffed in it. Oh, okay. And then a dollop of mashed potatoes that tasted like
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Oh, well, I didn't read that part. No, I didn't. It was, I took a couple of bites and I said, I'm going to head up for the night. Thank you so much.
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we were on very different thought patterns no because I had never experienced this level of symptoms yeah the only thing that I knew it was strep was because my neck my throat and then the white patches so I was like okay obviously it's strep but like what are these other symptoms like I'm definitely gonna die so um my biggest fear is when we've had to travel me getting sick and having to like literally get help in a different state so I can't imagine the panic
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Because they don't celebrate Thanksgiving here. But I guess because it's like an American program that partners with Madrid, that was how that happened. And I think we're going to get a lot of hate on this episode. People are going to be like, all Kale did was trash Spain. But honestly, this location in Spain just wasn't for me.
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Yeah. Like tell me where to go for soccer that has good food. I know that this program specifically also partners in London and in Germany, but do they have the same problem with land food in Germany and London? Because obviously- we don't want to run into the same. Also, is it in like a better area? Is there more to do?
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Like, I'm, I'm just wondering when Isaac texted me, he said he really wants to go to Greece. I don't know how big soccer is over there. So I don't know if that's something that I should plan to like do or, you know, whatever. Cause Lincoln has now encouraged Lux who wants to do this program. And it is a week long, there's week long camps in the United States. Um,
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I'm at a loss for words, like real words. Like we're assaulting animals. Like I heard about bestiality, I guess it is. Um, pretty late in life uh most recently which wasn't really that recent was of a an ex Amish person who is on TikTok and talked about the sexual assault of animals in his experience um in the Amish community and now this is like yeah like you're fingering turkey like Yeah.
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Ugh. Yeah. I, like, can't get over that. I'll never support Butterball again.
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I actually cried the other night because I was like, I can't go home to chaos. I told Elijah today when we went to lunch, I was like, listen, the day before we leave Spain, we're doing an order before. So when I get to, when we land back in Philadelphia, I can place the order. The groceries will be there when we get home. We're doing a full order meal planning for two weeks.
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I want to have everything there ready to fucking go. I was like, because this is so chaotic for us to be living, you know, because we, there was like a period of this year where we were eating dinners together, like four or five nights a week. Oh my God. My kids love it. We love it. It just feels like, I don't know. It just feels way better. So I love that idea.
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And if you send me that recipe, I want to try the panko and parmesan. So good.
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I don't know how Spain feels about like prescribing. I don't know how it works. It's so different. Right. So when she, when I told her, um, She's like, you know, I have to give you antibiotics or you're not going to you can't fight this on your own. I was like, I know. And I was like, when I normally get it, I also go on a steroid. And she said, I can prescribe you prednisone.
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I love that for you. I'm so happy for you. I definitely want to do the same.
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True. Cause I also don't have half the kids. Well, no, not half. I also don't have two of the kids for the second week. So that's a good point. Yeah. I'll try the, I'll try the one week. Becky, I was crying in bed texting Becky and she's like, I'll, I'll build your chat GPT to like, I'd like paid for the premium one. She's like, I'll pay for it to like build whatever you need. What did I say?
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I paid for the pro one or whatever so that she could help me do all the things. So when I get back, she's going to help me with that. And then, um, I'm excited to get home. I'm really excited to get home.
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No, I'm excited to get home. I won't be home for long, obviously, because we have a big, big, big interview coming up for the following week of Barely Famous. And I didn't want to put out a best of, so if you guys hated this episode, I'm really sorry. And it was really just to catch up between me and Kristen. We can't hear you, Jane. Yeah, I wanted to tell you guys about Spain.
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I also just wanted, I didn't want to put out something old and we have a really, really, really big interview coming up for next week on Barely Famous. And so just trying to plan out the rest of this month. I know that during the holidays, it gets really crazy and a lot of people slow down listening to podcasts. So if you've made it this far, thank you so much.
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I hope you all had a fantastic Thanksgiving. I'm going to do Thanksgiving, I think December 14th. Is when we're going to do a Thanksgiving dinner because we're just so hungry.
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Culture shock again. At the end of this month, when all my kids are with their dads, I am leaving again to get a boob job. So the next time actually I'll have, I'll be a brand new person in 2025 physically. Not your face. Not my face. I'm not touching my face. All right, y'all, stick with us. Next week is huge. Thank you, Kristen, for catching up on the Spain journey.
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I hope you had a happy Thanksgiving. And I'll see you when I get back from Spain. All right. Thanks for having me. You guys can watch the full video episodes on my Patreon, patreon.com slash Kayle Lowry. Follow me on Goodreads. Don't forget that. Elijah is now also on Goodreads. And you guys, I'll talk to you all next week. See ya. Bye. Bye.
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So then I was also like, OK, because I don't know. We're in Europe. I don't know what they how they feel or how they treat things. And yeah, I was just thankful. I was so thankful. And she was here so fast. She got it through. The pharmacy was quick. Everything was good.
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No, I'm so excited. They announced the stitch movie coming out. I love it.
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Why are you and Isaac the same person? Because Isaac has the Olivia Rodrigo one and he left it in the classroom. He got it back and he's like, I can't drink out of it. I'll never look at it the same with the straw. And me and Eliza are like, change the fucking straw.
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For anyone listening to this and tells me, oh, just go get Spanish food. Oh, go get paella. Oh, go get croquettes. They're disgusting. They're horrible. They have no flavor, no salt. They don't believe in salt here. Um, there's no seasoning. Elijah is like, I'm going home and I'm making Thanksgiving dinner because he was like, I don't know what to do.
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He, we went to, um, Segovia yesterday for a tour. He's like, should I go to the store and see if they have salt and pepper? Like, he's like, there's no, like even this potato is fucking plain. The meat is plain. Everything is plain. There's no, there's nothing. We talked to Javi's family. They're like, no, the food is no.
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but absolutely not here. I was diagnosed with, is diagnosed the right word? That feels really dramatic to say I was diagnosed with strep throat. I have strep throat, so I'm currently on ibuprofen and the lovely steroid prednisone. They also prescribed me a Probiotic, which is nice. That was really kind of them. And I'm just truly pushing through.
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Well, I don't know because the prednisone is making me hungry, which is not really helping. I think I'm going to gain 20 pounds when I get back to the U.S., like immediately gain it as soon as I look at the food.
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We talk about how – While I've been sitting in my hotel room crying about how sick I am, I was scrolling on TikTok. And did you see on TikTok the Dollar Tree Mules woman? Mm-hmm. I bawled my fucking eyes out because this guy was telling the story about how he went to the Dollar Tree and saw this woman and like was picking out all the ingredients from her TikTok.
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I think on Coffee Convos, I told Lindsay about the family dollar that's on my street. And I'll go down there and grab a box of hamburger helper. I don't give a shit. You know, it'll feed the whole family or whatever. But I love resourceful people. And I love that they're sharing it. And there's no shame in it. Because at the end of the day, I think they're helping way more people than...
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you know, the people that are judging, like, oh my God, they made their Thanksgiving out of, you know, Dollar Tree food or whatever the case may be. And it's like, well, if it keeps them fed and it keeps them, you know, if it's making them happy, I just, you know, she, she created a whole Thanksgiving meal on, you know, 20, $20.
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And then she also, you know, said, if you wanted to spend an extra five, like you could do this. And I thought that was really cool. Um,
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A hundred percent. I think it's a combination, like projection. You don't have any friends because at the end of the day, like if I hate something, if I feel strongly enough about something, I'll send it to you and just go about my business. Right. Like who needs comment shit? I mean, here we are talking shit on a podcast. Talking shit about people talking shit. That's fine, right?
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We went to the Royal Palace on day one and that was actually really cool. I always wonder how they preserve certain things. And I wish, obviously this is like first world problems or just whatever. I wish that they were able to make it look more like how it was when they found it because they have like all the artifacts and the items that
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in cases where sort of strategically placed throughout the house, I guess so people can walk through it, and I get that. But for example, in one of the rooms where King Charles III passed away, he passed away in his bedroom. I wish that they would have... set it up like a bedroom. Does that make sense? Because it's like you walk through the bedroom, but I guess too, that might not make sense.
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This is the first day that I don't feel like I'm swallowing glass. So I'm able to actually... They're still swollen, but I'm able to swallow it down.
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So I take that back because people lived in it after King Charles III died. So I guess it would have been maybe somebody else's bedroom or maybe it wasn't used as a bedroom anymore. So I guess that makes sense.
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But the little like note card thing that like tells you about it, if that is the way that you're presenting that room, I just wish that there would be a way to present it as a bedroom because it didn't look like a bedroom.
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He would have survived that, but they cut his head open and searched for the bullet and made his brain into mush. Okay.
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No, I definitely, but yeah, Yeah, like, for that, obviously no one probably slept in that bed after he did, right?
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Welcome to the shit show. Things are going to get weird. It's your fave villain, Kale Lowry. And you're listening to Barely Famous. All right, y'all. Welcome to Barely Famous. Thank you for joining me, Natalie and Macy. I'm so excited to talk about the Expired Podcast. Very excited. No, I'm so excited. Macy and I were just talking. We haven't seen each other in person in like six years.
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And I'm like, but I would literally beat your 103 pounder. I mean, I'm not, but most girls I feel like are more flexible than boys.
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I'm like, yeah, I can. So did Jade want to wrestle or did you kind of introduce it – did you introduce her to wrestling?
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And it's more of an independent sport, I would say, than it is for like a – like you obviously need to show up for your team, but it's more – It's all on you, yeah, and how much work you put in.
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I love that. Yeah. What is the dynamic between you guys with you not having kids and her having kids? Do you guys still get to do a ton of stuff together? Oh, yeah. Oh, we just went on family vacation.
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No, because my best friend doesn't have kids. Kristen doesn't have kids either. And she's been my best friend for like 10 years. And so I'm – it's so interesting because I feel like a lot of my other friends have kids or I meet moms through sports that my kids play. And so I always wondered like the dynamic between you two, especially for the podcast, like does it give you –
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stuff to talk about too or no she tells me about her kids and i'll tell her about my okay so let's talk about your cats how many cats do you have two two i have two dogs i heard one dog one dog i have saint alaskan malamute okay and then jiggy and jagger my cat jiggy and jagger yeah isn't that awesome stop yeah oh my wait you have an alaskan malamute uh-huh are those aren't they like no that's not the ones that are really hard to train is it
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They look like a husky, but they're all white. Okay. They can be kind of stubborn. Oh, he's stubborn. And you also live locally? Yeah. Okay. That's so cool. So it works out. You guys have a good dynamic and a friendship going.
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Oh, I love that. Yeah. At least you're close enough. My best friend lives two hours away from me. Oh, man. So I'm like, if I accidentally Instacart something over there, just keep it. We're screwed. Yeah. At this point, it doesn't matter. Have you filmed for Teen Mom? Am I allowed to talk about this? Mm-hmm. Okay.
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Well, I just think it's important to show the audience of Expired and also for anyone that's listening here, like we want to know who you are. You know what I mean? Like it's important for people to like resonate with you as well. We know Macy, right? But we want to know Natalie as well. So I think it would be cool to like – I don't know, get to know her on a deeper level. She's pretty great.
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And it was? Yeah. It was awesome. I'm going to do the same thing. I'm going to take a page out of Macy's book and I'm going to go back to Delaware and be like, hey, let's do this. Yeah.
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So you mean you don't fall out with every single one of your friends publicly like I do? No. Oh. Got it. Got it. I feel like all of my friendship fallouts have been public and none of the other girls from the show have had that experience at all. That's interesting. Don't you, do you feel like that? Have you ever, have you seen kind of all my, I don't know what comes up on your feed, but.
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That's actually a really good point. I'm going to talk to Kristen about that afterwards. Can we dissect this for a second? Because Becky and I just rekindled. And so that's sort of why I invited her on this trip. And I wanted to talk to you guys about like your friendship and working together. That friendship breakup made me sad. Did it? Yeah.
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And how – are you in a relationship or no? No. So how do you fit into – like, when you guys go trick-or-treating together, does Taylor also come? And also, how is Taylor – Oh, he's great. I think I only met him once or twice, like ever. I think. Dang, he's a cool guy. He's great. He's a cool guy.
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I was like, what did you do? Like, you're not a good person. You're talking shit about this innocent man. Yeah. I already don't trust you. That's so funny.
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I'm surprised I made it through yeah it's hard it is hard when you get older especially being on a show that has run as long as this has you have to wonder what people's intentions are and also you know where that what that looks like yeah I just really don't
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Have people from your kids' sports tried to befriend you and it just hasn't worked out? Or do you have like a friend group?
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Yeah. That's what I've actually found that too. Like the friends that I've made from my kids sports are definitely more unique than the other friends that I have. Not that they're better or worse, just very different.
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We had the same teachers. Same degree. Yeah. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah. That's so exciting. So then... expired podcast was born. And I saw that you guys just celebrated two years. Obviously that's so exciting. And I immediately, for those of you who don't know, this entire production has ensued because I reached out to, I think both of you at this point.
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But I also really envy some of my friends that don't have kids because I'm like, I literally am run ragged. Yes. Landed from Disney, came right here and I was like – What is – I don't know which way is up at this point. Like, what's going on? Every – oh, Natalie gets to, like, take naps when she wants to.
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You get to just, like, hey, I have to run to the store really quick, and you don't have to worry about buckling seven kids into the car. Literally. I'm, like, trying to figure out how to custom make a Suburban so that the seats in the middle are not captain's chairs, but, like, pushed together so there's, like, an aisle to get in the third row.
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And I'm like, what is going on? What can we do? I don't know how you had – because your Maverick and Jade are a year apart. Yes. Rio and my twins are not even a year apart. So they're all one right now. Dude. It's the fucking – They're like Irish triplets. It's the trenches, man. But who takes care of the animals when they're sick? Me. Oh, no. What do you mean? Kristen has six dogs.
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Oh, that's a lot. So my best friend and you have that in common. I think they actually have a lot in common. No, they have a lot in common. Alessandra also doesn't have kids yet. So, I mean, I think you guys all have that in common. We're kind of like their kids. Okay.
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if you manage our schedules and like get shit together for us and make sure we even remotely have our shit together no that's so funny um so what are the big plans for expired podcasts moving forward grow the podcast explore more cases explore more national cases maybe even international i mean i'm down to go to salem massachusetts if you guys are yes that would be really cool that would be
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That's like – I told the kids that. I was like, we're not going to Disney next year. We can go to Salem because that's what I really want to do. That would be awesome. Like haunted.
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It's gnarly. It's spooky. I committed a B&E for the Dr. Perilson house in L.A. like two weeks ago. I jumped the fence, and I like went into it. Oh. What is it? Look up the case. You'll be... This doctor... Did you do this by yourself? Kristen filmed it on her phone. But the cops came. But I like jumped back over the fence. I fucked up my brand new converse and I was pissed. It was worth it.
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It's this murder mansion. Dr. Perelson was an inventor and a doctor of sorts. And where is this? In LA. LA. Okay. It's actually right down the block from the Menendez Brothers home. Oh, yeah. I was listening. And also the Black Dahlia's home. Oh, shoot. So I was... They had like barbed wire, but I found like a little gap. So I climbed on top of the rental car and then I hopped the fence.
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This is all on video. I'll have Kristen show you. This is amazing. Maybe I don't air this on Teen Mom, but like we'll put it on the podcast.
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And I was like, Hey, I'm in the podcast world. Like, let me, I want to. Dabble into your podcast magic. Well, because I think that what people don't know is the best way for podcasts to grow is to go on each other's podcasts. And so I've actually had Scream Queens on the Girls from Morbid podcast, which I'm obsessed with. And so I've had them on my shows.
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Yeah, allegedly. And I was like... got in because I was like I have to see this but he beat his wife to death with a ball-peen hammer and then attacked one of his kids and then he killed himself in the house and then it's just been bought and sold like 10 times over since then but only one family officially lived in there after him and one of them died in the house Oh my goodness.
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We need to get like a paranormal team. Oh, I'm down. We should just do like this haunted tour of some sort.
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Yeah. Purposely flooded for what? To build on top of it? Or to cover shit up.
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Crazy. That's actually really weird. I kind of want to see it though. That's terrible. Maybe we'll if we have time. So you've seen Kate and Ty already. Had you already met them? No. No. This was the first time? Yeah. This whole trip was like a ball of firsts. I love that. Okay. So how'd the recording go? Amazing. And I don't know what order they're going to air in, so-
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It's fantastic. When was the last time you had seen Kate in person? Um, June, late May, early June. So do they still do teen mom reunions or not really? They didn't do one this year. They didn't? I wonder why. I should be the host. You should. Yes. I'm sure people, some of the cast members would not love that. Oh, yeah. But I could ruffle some feathers. I'm good at that. Good TV. Yeah.
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We're like TV gold. It's fine. So when did you guys get together over the summer? Was it just for a personal trip?
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I don't know this for sure because my memory is absolute trash, but I think I only met Amber one time. Really? Yeah. when we did the book tour together, right? Fresh out of prison. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And that was, I think the only time I, maybe I've seen her like in passing at a reunion, but I think that was the only like time I ever spent with her. And I, and Becky was with me on that tour.
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Um, and we had a great time, but I see a lot of hate towards you and Kate for your support of Amber.
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And so I was like, wait a minute, if you guys are doing true crime, like we could definitely collab. So that's how all of this even happened. Yes. And then obviously Caitlin and Tyler are about to launch their podcast. So I was like, we have to just do a big crossover. Okay.
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You know what I mean? Like I have nothing but good things to say about Amber based on my time spent with Amber. She was so funny. Obviously this was literally 10 years ago. It was 2014. So it was she's probably a different person now, but the time that I spent with Amber was always, it was, I mean, Becky and I have funny stories that we still tell to this day that happened on that book tour.
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So I can't ever, when I see the things that I see online, I'm like, I just sort of like you, I don't care. But it also is interesting to me that people feel a type of way. Yeah. Because I feel like no matter what sort of tragedies or trials and tribulations that people go through, everyone needs a support system of some sort.
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And by support, I think that that also, that could include people that don't agree with your choices, but are still there to be a support system for you. Yes.
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So you guys started the True Crime Podcast and do you guys cover only local cases or do you kind of like dabble in everything? We did.
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Maybe. But I just I feel like no matter what, everyone needs a support system. Right. Like, you don't have to agree with what people do, but you still need support.
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It's like a family. And it's so hard for me to describe to other people. Like, I feel like I haven't seen you in 10 years. six years, but I feel like I pick up where you left off because there's such a unique dynamic between, I think all of us and even the ones that we haven't seen in 10 years because of the show and everything else.
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And so there is this like, we get things that other people could never understand.
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Mm-hmm. Wow. Yeah. That's insane to think about. And we've also been, I think, parents for – I think we've been parents longer than we haven't. Yeah. Yeah.
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Bentley turned 16. Yes. Teen Mom franchise turned 16. How does that feel?
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I feel like life in our thirties is so weird too, because just in general, without being a mom, we're learning all of the things that our parents and elders and like
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parental figures told us growing up and then we were like not listening to them and now we're coming to the real in our 30s not even in our 20s not becoming a mom not any of that it's like not until our 30s and I'm like I literally sound so dumb and I don't like my son is not listening to me there's no way he's gonna grow up and be in his 30s and be like oh mom was right when I was 16. Yes.
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What is it like to have a mom? Do you have a mom? Oh, you do? Or do you have a good relationship with her? Yeah, she lives four houses down from me. Shut up. What a dream. That's what I... I bought 20 acres in Delaware because I would love to have like a little cul-de-sac with all my children. But I was like, is that like a toxic boy mom? Or is that like...
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Becky is the youngest of five, and I believe her oldest is also – Much older. Wow. I don't know by how much, but I always think it's interesting because I have, you know, Isaac's almost 15 and then I have one year old twin, well, three one year olds at this point. So like even that age gap is so crazy to me. So that's so interesting. And you have a brother? Yeah, I have an older brother. Just one.
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Okay. He's three years older than me. Okay. So you guys were kind of close and you guys went to high school and stuff together, which is probably cool. Yeah. Yeah, we're a super close relationship. How is Bentley with Jade and Maverick? Oh, they're super tight. Really? Yeah, Bentley's really close with all of his siblings. How many siblings does he have? A crapload at this point.
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Wait, I need to say that to my kids. Because that's essentially what it is. Isaac won't touch the babies. He loves his siblings. He doesn't want the spit up, the burping, the crusty face, the booger. He's repulsed by it. And so even if they hug him, He wants to check their hands and their face before they even touch them. So I just laugh about it. What's going to be sticky?
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more anywhere. No, there's so many ways that we could get, sprinkle in some podcast guests for you guys. That would be really cool.
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Yeah, he's like, if it's sticky, it's not for me. But that's so interesting. So he'll, but I mean, I will say that I think between the generation, what is it, Gen Z? Are our kids Gen Z or Gen Alpha? Gen Z. Well, the older ones, I think, no.
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2025 starts a new generation also. But what's really interesting is between us being teen parents and then also Gen Z as a whole, they just don't want to have kids young, let alone if any at all, which I think is we've done our job, but also I think society is doing its job as well.
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Like kids are hard. They're fucking hard. That's what I like, just being a cool aunt. Yeah. No, I don't – when people on social – I see people on social media talk about how they don't want kids and they get harassed for it. And I'm like, I love my kids to death. Like I would move the world for my kids. But I also understand not wanting to have kids. A hundred percent. And I also am like –
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I want him to teach me. He started a club at school. Is Bentley a sophomore or a freshman? Sophomore. Okay. So Isaac's one year behind. He's a freshman and he started ASL club because his new school that he transferred to. How are the schools here? Because in Delaware, you can pick any school you want to go to.
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Okay. So the last school that Isaac was in, he had ASL class, like a class for it. That's cool. At the new school for high school, he wanted to go to a different school district. They didn't have it. So he started a club. That's so awesome. And so he's not really a sports kid, but he's like a club kid. So he does debate. That should get him to do sign language at concerts.
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Oh, he wants to be an interpreter, which is a whole degree. So he wants to do, that's what he like wants to do. But he's, so he's does ASL club debate club. And then he just auditioned last night for Beetlejuice, which I was like, that's so cool. Like you're old enough to be auditioning for something. Also he is like him and Bentley both have like great hair. They do. What is that?
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Cause I didn't have that. I have a cowlick. I have to style like very specifically right in the front of my head.
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I also feel like Bentley is the perfect mix between you and Ryan. Like it's so weird. He stands next to you, I see you. But when he stands next to Ryan, I also see Ryan. Yeah, it's very interesting. Genetics are so weird. Fascinating. Are you also like a not half-sibling person? Yes. I get so mad when anyone refers to my kids as half-siblings. Me, yep. Drives me crazy. No step, no half.
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Yeah. No, that would be really cool. So is there a case that you guys have had that has like really just struck a
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No, they're just your siblings. They're just brother and sister. Even the step ones are just siblings. Yes. Because you grew up with them and they matter. Absolutely. I love that. Well, I can't wait to continue seeing where Expired Podcast goes and I'm excited for the rest of this crossover. It's going to be a good year.
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Where can people find Expired Podcast and where can people follow you guys on socials?
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It's Deshawn. I know. Isn't that crazy? I've been pronouncing it wrong for like- I call her Deshawn all the time. Everyone does. Yeah. Yeah.
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Anyway, well, thank you for joining Barely Famous Podcast and I can't wait to go on Expired.
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People can go listen to this on expired podcast. Okay. So it's already out. Yeah. Okay, cool. So we'll definitely put that in the description.
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I hate that – and I've said this before to other guests I've had on Barely Famous. I had Valerie Borlein. Are you familiar with her? I don't think so. She was right in the center of the Murdaw murders. Oh. And I had her on the podcast. She wrote the book, The Devil at His Elbow. You told me this. Yeah.
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I had said to her, this was a couple of months ago, but I was like, it's so fascinating to me how fascinated we are by true crime and like why the rest of us are just so like, I don't get it.
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We're a whole different people now. No, truly. And I feel like I know Natalie. I don't know you. So can we talk about this on the podcast? Yeah. Okay. So you guys do the Expired Podcast together here in Chattanooga. Yep. How did you guys meet?
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Because we're all addicted to like ID channel and things like that. But. She would be a really great guest for you guys too. Yes, for sure. She knows that case like the back of her hand. That one's fascinating. It is. Agreed.
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Have you guys received any backlash for talking about cases like this? Because I feel like people were... We piss people off.
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Because they don't want to know that nobody wants you guys to discover any truths or find anything out. Yeah. That's actually, like, fascinating but also heartbreaking because it's like, let's not do shitty things and then there's nothing to be found out. Right. Exactly. You know what I mean?
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That's actually really sad. But I'm sure that the victims' families feel like you guys are giving a voice to their cases because I feel like so many cases, especially local ones, that don't make big headlines like the Lacey Peterson or Casey Anthony. Mm-hmm. You want to know that your loved one matters just as much as, you know, the Lacey's and the Kaylee's. You know what I mean?
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And so that's no disrespect to them. I'm just saying like you're giving the local cases a voice and the victims a voice and hopefully trying to find justice for the family.
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Well, I think a lot of us just think that it exists in movies. Like it's just for like drama on TV or drama and movies. But when you see cases like the Murdaugh or the one that you guys are just Gavin Anderson, you have, you, you're forced to see it, right. It's right in front of your face and you can't look away from it. You have to acknowledge it.
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It was weird. That's actually really weird. Go listen. I will go listen to it. So now what? You guys do the podcast. You have your family. You have your cats. You guys – You also are a news anchor or – Radio personality.
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That's really cool. I thought that was so fascinating because I have no idea how – like you just tap into the cameras and you get to watch them. So you can see stuff before anybody else sees it. That's fascinating.
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That's so funny. I love that. You're like, you have to give her the inside scoop before she takes the kids to school. Yeah, like where's the traffic?
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Here's an alternate route. I'll even give her an alternate route. That's so funny. How are the kids?
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Keeping us busy. Bentley just turned 16. I saw. I saw that. Actually, my entire TikTok feed was about Bentley getting a car. So I didn't watch it because I wanted to talk to you about it. What did he get and what was his reaction? So he got a Jeep Gladiator.
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We call it rolled. I'm thinking like your Jeep rolled. I was very concerned.
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There's so much happening in one week. I'm like, what are you doing? Maybe you're turning 16 and asleep.
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She looks like such a badass on social media. My kids are also in wrestling. It's so great. When I see girls – first of all, I asked to wrestle when I was a kid and it was no because it was a very, very male-dominated sport. Girls can't wrestle. When I went up to the high school wrestling coach, he literally laughed in my face. He thought I was being dead serious. He was like – Like what? What?
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So to see now – like I saw Jade wrestle on social media before I got my kids involved in wrestling. So I didn't know that there were as many girls now as there are. It's huge. Have you gotten backlash from that? Or do you feel like more people are supporting it?
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That is insane. Yeah. We're like bonding over this. It's trauma bonding.
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So I'm like, hey, do you have any old wrestling shoes for Valley? Oh, we do. Some cool ones too. And some cute like singlets that are like really cool. Oh, I've had custom made ones already with like Lux and Creed are Mexican. So I put like the Mexican flag on the back. And then like they're badass. Yes. Valley, she's going to have to wrestle now. Yeah.
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Welcome to the shit show. Things are going to get weird. It's your fave villain, Kale Lowry. And you're listening to Barely Famous. All right, everyone, today we have an author on the podcast, Miss Kathleen Glasgow. She's a New York Times and internationally bestselling author, renowned for her impactful young adult fiction. I actually started with Girl in Pieces, which was her debut novel.
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Well, I was about to say, I think it resonates with adults and young adults, right? It doesn't necessarily put you in the YA box. I know it's considered a YA book, even the series. But I think I read Girl in Pieces when I was 29 or 30, and I still very much resonate with it.
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By the time I got to my fourth child, I was like, wait, he completely threw me for a loop with the not sleeping and all of that. And so I was like, oh, wow. Like I even though I had three kids before him, I was starting over. Right. Like you are starting from scratch. Yeah. But I have to tell you that when I got to my reading journey a couple of years ago, I started reading on planes.
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I don't think I read these in order, because I read Girl in Pieces, then You'd Be Home Now, and then How to Make Friends with the Dark, or Does It Matter? Yeah.
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And so when you finally published Girl in Pieces, did you have the goal to write more books at that point or what was the plan?
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Okay. So I did read them out of publishing order, but... Yeah. Can we talk about the inspo behind How to Make Friends with the Dark? So how to... Yes. Did you cry while you were reading it? I cried while I read all three of them. I just haven't, I have not got to read The Glass Girl yet. So I want to talk about that today too. But I haven't gotten to this one yet. And also love The Sprayed Edges.
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Sure. Like all of my time has paid off. So yeah, we'll talk about glass girl too, but I want to, um, Because basically, from what I'm hearing from you is that, you know, you were inspired sort of unintentionally for Girl in Pieces, right? And so at the point that you get signed and you publish this and they're like, hey, do you think you can write a second one?
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And one of the books that I read was Girl in Pieces. That was the first book that I picked up. And I think I DM'd you on Instagram. And you did. I did. And I was like, this is everything to me because I also struggle with being the daughter of an addict. And so I think in that way, Girl in Pieces sort of tugged on my heartstrings a little bit.
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It's like, if you didn't have intentions of publishing it in the first place and it was sort of the inspiration behind it was divine intervention, really. You know, the stars sort of aligned for you to produce this novel. How do you then... come up with another idea for how to make friends with a dog?
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And it wasn't even because there was addiction in there, but it was when you'd be home now. That one, I read on a plate, the entire book, cover to cover. I... I don't know what it is, because normally I wouldn't say I'm a YA girly, but there's something about your books that I relate so hard to, and I cannot recommend them enough.
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in a good way and I feel really proud of that well I was going to say I think that you were able to use those little kernels for you know something really powerful and I think that's incredible that you were able to incorporate her in that way um how did the publisher when you went to your publisher with the draft of this what how did that go
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So please, will you talk about the inspiration behind Girl in Pieces, You'd Be Home Now, and How to Make Friends with the Dark? Will you talk about the inspiration behind those books? Oh, yeah. Absolutely.
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I think that there is, you know, there's a place for dark humor, right? And making it funny. I think there's a place for that. And maybe in the future you could publish that version. But I will say, as a reader and in my experience with, like, my own memoirs, people seem to resonate with the pain more than, you know, some of the happy stuff. Yeah.
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You know, I wrote a happier memoir after my really deep, dark one. And people didn't resonate with that the same way they resonated with the pain and the darkness.
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So let's start with Girl in Pieces, since that was the first one I read. These books are very well loved, and this is... The first one that I read by Kathleen Glasgow was Girl in Pieces.
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But maybe that's just a sign that you. You needed to finish the book and close sort of that chapter. You got a lot of, you know, grief. Like you said, grief is carried with you forever, but maybe some parts of the grief were able to be healed in some ways by putting it in the book and sort of being like closing it and being done with it.
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Obviously, you know, like you said, you still carry the grief, but some pieces of it could be left in the book.
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So up to this point with the publishing of your second book, are you still writing poetry or have you sort of maybe taken a break from poetry and now you're just focusing on the books or were you also doing poetry at this time?
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Okay, well, I just have to tell you that this book had me ugly crying on a plane in front of people. Like, this wasn't a situation where I was able to blink the tears back. This was ugly crying. The tears are coming out no matter what because of my... relationship to people. I think what really... Let me say this. I don't read the synopsis of a book before I pick it up.
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It's like, do I hear good things about it? Have I seen the cover? Just sort of mood-picking books. Obviously, there are pills on the front, so I...
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pick up the book I don't I didn't know that it was going to be from the perspective of someone a loved one who is affected by someone with addiction and I think that part of it really healed some parts of my inner child um growing up with an addict and so I wanted to you know if anyone is struggling and listening to this and you have to read this yeah you guys have to read this book
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in and of itself is trauma, right? So when someone is going through addiction, the person that is addicted to whatever it is, is not the only one affected. I mean, that is real life trauma for the people that are directly impacted. And that's something that you live with, whether the person recovers and is in recovery or not, that is something that you carry with you for the rest of your life.
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So I think I can appreciate that perspective so much, especially in this book.
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And were you not a big reader when you were growing up? I absolutely was not a reader. I mean, I would just read when I had to. And then in my...
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No, 1000% does. Like even today at 32 years old, I have to figure out what pieces of my childhood and being a child of an addict affects, you know, some of my behaviors and what is just naturally my behaviors. So it's trying to decipher what is what. But I also wanted to touch on the, you know, when you said that when you are
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impacted by someone who has an addiction right you said that a lot of times we feel guilty for you know wanting to go do something and having a good time because there's struggles in that right you feel guilty but there's also grief in that right like it's sort of like grieving someone that's still here and so it's not the same grief that you talk about in how to make friends with the dark but it's it's grief in a different way grieving for someone that's alive
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travels like on the plane and stuff it was like I want to be productive I don't want to buy the wi-fi and be scrolling on my phone the same thing I do on the ground yeah so I started picking up books at airports and I started with some true crime but then I believe it was maybe Thailand or Texas somewhere I picked up Girl in Pieces and I was like oh this is it and and this is what really just set me off on the reading journey
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And it's so difficult. And so many people can resonate with that. I can resonate with that. And so I think maybe that's a theme of your next book, is grieving someone that's still here. Maybe. Yeah. I mean, that's the inspiration right there.
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I actually recently had a conversation with someone who is also a child of an addict and We were just talking about our experiences and I had said that I have way more empathy for other people, but I cannot understand it for my mom because I know what family she came from and things like that. And he said to me, he looked me dead in my eyes and he said, Kale, something happened to her.
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What happened to her? You're not asking the right questions. And I think that's why you're struggling with the empathy is that you're not, you don't know what happened to her and maybe what happened to her is something that you could handle, but she couldn't. And so that you're going down an entirely different road because not everyone handles things the same way.
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And so that's really hard to sit with too.
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I don't think I ever did even up until this point, like really thinking of what kind of person my mom was before, before me, before the addiction. Like I've never thought about that. I've never, and I wonder what my kids, I've been very open with my kids about things that have happened to me and, you know, traumatic events. Cause I'm, I'm so open about it. So I think having the,
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you know open conversations in the house if they're going to hear about it or if they go I don't want them to right yeah they're going to hear about it they're going to google something someday yeah right and so that's really interesting I would be so curious to maybe when my kids are older having a conversation about about something like that where like we could talk about who I was before I was public right like yeah who were you let's talk about that now do I even know
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And that's a hard pill to swallow as well is when, you know, grandma or grandpa or an aunt, uncle are... fantastic with your kids, but the relationship between you and that person is so strained. And how do you, how do you navigate that? That's a whole other can of worms.
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Playing Out All Your Trauma in the Fictional World with Kathleen Glasgow
Well, I've struggled with that, right? Like I haven't talked to my mom for seven years and I'm just like, do I, try to allow her to have a relationship with the kids? Or is it going to be similar to how my relationship is with her? And I don't want to open those doors for my kids. And so, you know, I definitely resonate with anyone who's struggling with that. That is it.
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Playing Out All Your Trauma in the Fictional World with Kathleen Glasgow
When you mentioned, you know, in regards to you'd be home now and going to a dance and being happy and deciding that you have to live a life you know, to the fullest essentially. And you, you can't really worry about the other person. That's, that's a really hard place to be.
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And I think that, you know, for the people who stick around and are there time and time again for addicts in their life or alcoholics in their life, that's okay. If you, that is for like where you feel good and how not good. I don't think that's the right word.
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Playing Out All Your Trauma in the Fictional World with Kathleen Glasgow
In Kathleen's book, she talks about mental health, grief, self-discovery, and I absolutely love her storytelling. I've actually read three out of five books of hers, so I absolutely recommend going out and checking these books out. Before venturing into novel writing, she actually was a poet. And I think that's really cool because people sleep on poetry.
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if that's where you feel you know that's what you feel is the best decision for you that's great I never want to someone to hear my story and they're like oh I have to cut my mom off cold turkey I have to cut my sibling off cold turkey that's not for everyone just for me I knew that I could not continue the way that I was going you know what I mean and I think that that it's going to look different for everyone it is and then when you do that
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absolutely yeah and that I mean I guess that goes across the board for all the books right like in some way that goes across the board for for all of them well similarly to girl in pieces for pride over pity I didn't think that anyone would it was more of like my thoughts and feelings and I didn't know how to organize them it took like three years yeah um
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Playing Out All Your Trauma in the Fictional World with Kathleen Glasgow
of things and also talking to family members and stuff. And then I was also just like you turned down by like six publishing houses right off the bat. And so I just sort of gave up. And for the second book, I brought a notebook everywhere I went. Like when I tell you that I was writing just thoughts that came to me, things that people said to me, just all sorts of things.
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Playing Out All Your Trauma in the Fictional World with Kathleen Glasgow
And then the third one, my third memoir, it was mostly a compilation of my diary entries. So there were three different strategies, I guess. Because each book is different, right? Yeah. It's just different. I actually signed, when I signed my first book deal, I signed it. I am under contract, I guess, for a novel. I have no intentions of ever writing a novel.
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Playing Out All Your Trauma in the Fictional World with Kathleen Glasgow
I never thought I would be in the book world as heavily as I am. See, we're in the same world now. And so I would love to eventually... I wrote one, didn't really love it. I would like to maybe go back to it and maybe rework it or start over or something. I just don't know how to write a novel. I don't know.
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Because, you know, when you combine different elements of different people into one character is so hard for me because I'm like, but it's missing something because these weren't one character. These were four characters, but you can't get all the characters in the book. So it's like, what do you do from there?
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Playing Out All Your Trauma in the Fictional World with Kathleen Glasgow
Yeah. I don't know that I would be able to do what you guys do. Right. Like having deadlines. I don't know that I operate that way. No.
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Playing Out All Your Trauma in the Fictional World with Kathleen Glasgow
So I didn't get a chance to read The Glass Girl yet. Can you tell me what this is about?
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Playing Out All Your Trauma in the Fictional World with Kathleen Glasgow
And they will.
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Playing Out All Your Trauma in the Fictional World with Kathleen Glasgow
And for sure, because my kids also, they've always been great readers, you know, in school and with the, you know, AR or whatever the system is today. I don't even know what it is. They... they read when they have to, but then I think with how much I've been reading over the past, like year and a half, they're into it.
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But also, I think when you're young and before we sort of get to, I guess, where the frontal lobe is developed. Right. You know, in high school or college, when you're sort of drinking and experimenting, you don't realize at that age that those things are, you know, quote unquote, You're not you don't realize that you're hoping or they're helping or they're making you feel that way.
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And so by the time you realize, oh, I'm using alcohol for anxiety, it's too late. You're already an alcoholic. Yeah. You know what I mean? And so I actually had a conversation with a friend this week and she she was like acknowledging that she copes with anxiety.
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Did you realize at some point that you that's what you were coping, how you were coping with anxiety? Did you realize that? Did you make that connection or did you just realize, oh, I have a problem, but still didn't necessarily realize that it was helping with your anxiety?
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And I think also part of that is, you know, I talk about, you know, I'm in a book that I don't, I don't necessarily love, but I push through and then I pick up another one. And I think that piece alone has encouraged them to keep trying, especially my oldest son who is 14. He's going to be 15 next month, but yeah. He, I got him a ton of books and he's like, I don't really vibe with these.
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Playing Out All Your Trauma in the Fictional World with Kathleen Glasgow
I agree. I have very frank co-parenting. All the kids' dads have experienced everything that you touched on. And I think in theory, right, like if you're going to get divorced or you're going to separate from your child's
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Playing Out All Your Trauma in the Fictional World with Kathleen Glasgow
father or other parent it sounds good oh we'll just do 50 50 and here where I live the default is typically 50 50 and it sounds good in theory but I think whether you do a 225 or a week on week off at the end of the day the child no matter how old they are or how mostly fair the split is that's so difficult for any child no matter you know what they're able to handle I think
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going over to their dads, as soon as they settled down over there, they have to go right back to moms. And, you know, I think that so many kids can resonate with, with that aspect of it, even if they don't necessarily relate to the alcohol piece. I think the rest of it is, is very relatable for kids today.
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And so he, he kind of gave up for a little while, but then I think he was like, all right, mom's still reading books and she doesn't necessarily like this one, but she still picked up one after. And so I think that has influenced, you know, him. I think what you're saying is so valid.
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Playing Out All Your Trauma in the Fictional World with Kathleen Glasgow
Right. And that's, that's tough. But before we go, I would love to do a couple rapid fire questions if you're okay with it. Okay. Okay. If you could collaborate with any author living or dead, who would it be? It would be you, of course.
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Playing Out All Your Trauma in the Fictional World with Kathleen Glasgow
uh okay so if one of your what if one of your books was turned into a podcast what would it sound like and who would you cast as a as a narrator so i'm thinking with this question like have you read listen for the lie no okay that one is sort of like a podcast format and there's different points of view which is really cool i didn't listen to it but i've heard it's incredible on audio so if you were to do something like that what would you what would you picture
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Playing Out All Your Trauma in the Fictional World with Kathleen Glasgow
Oh, OK. I'll add that.
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Playing Out All Your Trauma in the Fictional World with Kathleen Glasgow
I actually, I love that you actually read the books that you do blurbs for because I feel like, and this is not just pure assumption. Yeah. Is that authors are all friends and they just write things for the book without reading them. So it's really nice to hear that you actually, I don't know. Nobody's ever said that to me. Yeah. I just thought like, oh, I wonder if they actually read it.
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But that's so nice that you actually.
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Playing Out All Your Trauma in the Fictional World with Kathleen Glasgow
Well, we have to wait. If you read a full review on Goodreads, then I'll definitely believe that you read it. Not you, just in general.
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they love it and then they're like yes it's so much pressure been lifted off them because i win i have i have the trophy but yeah you don't you don't go over into those spaces okay well now i know don't check my reviews on goodreads just okay um just touching on the fact that you just said you do writing workshops uh with teenagers is that public knowledge is that something that you advertise ever and where can people sign up for that if that's if it's public
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That's incredible. People and I'm sure that that's just making a kid's day where you know what I mean to do that with you.
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give ratings to memoirs because she doesn't have the right to judge someone else's story something along those lines and actually that's sort of what you're saying you shouldn't grade someone's creative piece whatever that looks like because you know feedback is nice but maybe don't grade it I think that's a really good point yeah feedback you just want them to keep going so I've met so many people who like are are my age and older who they're like oh I've always wanted to be a writer but
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Playing Out All Your Trauma in the Fictional World with Kathleen Glasgow
Like that book isn't for you or a person. No, that makes sense. Where can people order your books? And do you have anything else that you want to add for our listeners?
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Playing Out All Your Trauma in the Fictional World with Kathleen Glasgow
No, because I'm going to cry right now.
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And I love that message because you are so spot on. And like you said earlier in this episode is that it's not always linear. The progress is not always linear. And sometimes we do things out of order. And I'm proud of you. And I think that these books are all a testament to who you are, like who you are, what you've accomplished, what you've overcome. And I'm so proud of you as well.
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And I'm so serious. If you ever want to work on something, sign me up.
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Oh, well, you've made my whole year and I'm so glad that we could end 2024. I'm talking finally. It's perfect. It's perfect.
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Anyway, welcome Kathleen Glasgow to Barely Famous Podcast.
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Right, you weren't judging.
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I mean, depression is, doesn't look the same for everyone, but you can be, both can be true. You can have an incredible family and supportive parents and still be depressed. Like that is so real and valid. And so many people can relate to that. I mean, I look at my mom's story, you know, my own mom and I'm like, you had the most incredible family. How did it, how did you turn out like this?
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You know what I mean? So I think that that is so valid.
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I think it's the highlights reel of social media because I also don't have it figured out. I literally was panicking today because my son had a little field trip that I was going on. And I was like, okay, first of all, what entrance do I go in? And then by the time I figured it out, I almost was like missing the start of it, but I thankfully made it. And I was like, I don't know.
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What was the turning point for you when you were like, okay, I'm going to publish this?
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Did they sign you right there or did the conversation from the 20 minute conference kind of get carried into the next step?
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Who, why there's no handbook for this, but there's just not?
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Immigration Lawyer Kathleen Martinez on Green Cards, Deportation Myths & Fighting ICE in Pink
Welcome to the shit show. Things are going to get weird. It's your fave villain, Kale Lowry. And you're listening to Barely Famous. It's Friday, welcome to another episode of Barely Famous Podcast. Today I have a guest you may recognize from Instagram, TikTok, and all of the work in the immigration community. I have Kathleen Martinez sitting with me and welcome to Barely Famous Podcast.
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Okay, so let's talk about that. Yeah. It is not a crime to be undocumented.
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No, they don't.
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We're paying them. But I think that's the misconception is that people, but where did that come from? Where did that stem from? You know, like, I just can't wrap my head around that.
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Truly. Yeah. But I mean, I don't get it. I mean, some of the immigrants that I've known in my lifetime have been the most genuine, loving people that I've ever known. Hardest working people. Hardest. Oh, for sure.
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Which is, I don't know if you watched Teen Mom ever, but one of the cast members, her brother-in-law was working with an immigration attorney to get over to the United States from Costa Rica. They had to go through the entire legal process. They showed a little bit of a struggle. Um, but in my opinion, they didn't show the nitty gritty part of it.
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And so it, and obviously when you are on TV, you have to chop and screw it so that it is, it goes from eight months to a one week situation. And so, and then also like her entire segment was not that it was just like a small portion of it. And so I think things like that make it look so simple. And to find out that you can't just apply to become American citizen is I think will shock people.
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I don't think that people realize that. Can we talk about the cost of what it would be – what it is to immigrate one person? Yeah.
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Right. That's the craziest thing I've ever heard.
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Oh, my God.
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How does that work with the jurisdiction for an immigrant if they live in another country and like legally representing immigrants? them if they're not a citizen.
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Okay.
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And then how do you balance like with your brand on social media versus, you know, practicing law? How do you balance, you know, educating the general public with, you know, all of this information, but not crossing the line over into legal advice?
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So the executive orders are not law. No. Just for anyone listening who doesn't understand what's going on. Executive orders are. They're not law. They're just what his plans.
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So your husband is your number one supporter. For sure. And can we talk about how you got started with your entire firm and working out of your garage?
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It's kind of crazy, right?
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No, 100%. And I think that there's so many misconceptions surrounding the immigration process and immigrants as a whole. My whole life, I've had people in my ear talk about people that, whether undocumented or documented, think that you don't contribute to society, don't pay taxes. I'm pretty sure, number one, America is built off immigration, right? Like everything that we have to do.
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Yeah.
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And they work from home. I think they work – when women and mothers can be – with their children or, you know, they just work hard. I have the same sort of situation with my network. I, everyone I hire, first of all, they're all women. And second, I let them work from home mostly, you know, with the exception of coming out on site a couple of times a month.
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Um, and that's if they can, like if they can't, we're going to figure it out and you're not going to get fired. You're not going to get like written up. You're not going to understand a hundred percent. And I never want someone, I want someone to work as hard as they want and as hard as they can when, where they're comfortable. Yeah.
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But what is that like to have like you're a male supporter, be your number one supporter in all of this?
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And you're a woman.
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Oh, wow. Yeah. So he just was like, well, let's do this. We're going to go full force. Pink is the brand. And I've seen him. I'm pretty sure it's him in pictures. Yeah.
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in today's society is because we are, our country was built off immigrants. So that's number one. Number two, whether you're documented or undocumented, you pay taxes. Right. And I think that so many people are like, they're freeloaders. What are you talking about?
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Yeah. All kinds of like. This is ridiculous. Yeah.
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You know, have people seen it and like called you?
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especially to their clients condescending condescending one of the lawyers i had in over the last five to ten years i he very intelligent very knew what he was doing but very arrogant right and there were certain aspects of it i i just couldn't do it like i need to go for someone who would fight the same way that i'm fighting in this situation and it needed to be a A little bit not buttoned up.
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Yes. And so I think that a lot of white men are missing the mark there. They are. By being completely unrelatable, being completely misogynistic, truly.
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Where, when you go down the street, when people are going down the street, the people that are working the hardest in construction, landscaping, any, everywhere you look, they're immigrants. Yeah.
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Okay. So five years in. Yeah. And I mean, you're taken seriously by so many people. And so now, now what, what is the next step? Just keep growing your firm or are you kind of huge? Yeah.
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Oh, I love my team. I feel bad for some of their first days on set because I'm like, you don't know what you're getting yourself into, Madison. But outside of that, I love having my team. I love the girls that I have. I love everything about it. And so it's been a really cool process. But for you too, just to have your husband support all of this. And how do your kids feel about it?
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I mean, they're so cool.
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They are going to be, you're raising young men to be appreciative of what women can do and how powerful women are. And that's part of it too. Like you're leading by example, whether you have those conversations or not, you don't necessarily even have to have the conversations because your husband is support.
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Like, what are you, I don't understand how you think they're not paying taxes.
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Like your kids are watching your husband support you through it and watching you do all of this. And that is part of what we need in the next generation. Yeah.
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Truly. How did you meet this man? And where can other people find people like him? Yeah. Because what the heck? I know. In 2023, you earned the Quality Business Award. And what does that mean?
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Right. Because you don't have to work with them, right? Yeah. Just the ones that you hire. Yeah.
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Are you really competing with anyone? They might be competing with you, but you don't have to compete with them. Maybe that's why they hate me so much. A hundred percent. One hundred percent.
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Like just thinking outside the box and just being outside the box, I think is, I mean, it's intimidating to watch someone get gained so much success from not fitting in and conforming to what society wants of you.
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I feel like it makes the clients feel more comfortable and related to because, I mean, when I got my first attorney was 2011 and I was 18 years old. And I just felt like I felt so judged. I felt like attorneys were a specific way. They came from very well-to-do families. They had a lot of money. They were very intelligent and all the things that I couldn't be or I wasn't capable of.
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And so it created a dynamic, almost like a power. Yes. You can't relate to them. I have another friend, Summer. She's also in Texas. Hers was communications. And so, like, so relatable, so real. It's still achievable. You don't have to look a certain way to be able to be an attorney. And I feel like that is so inspiring.
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I don't get it. four attorneys on retainer all the time for various reasons. I love that. I don't cause it costs a lot of money. Like I love the attorneys, but it does cost a lot of money. Um, two of them, I have their cell phone numbers. One of them, one of we'll take one of them. We'll talk about a thousand pound sisters. Like we just, I love her. I love all my attorneys. Um,
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Two of them are women. And I just love that. And it's just the way that the cards were dealt that two of them are men. They're great as well. But one of them, I mean, she's so funny, but she called me on a Saturday and was like, Hey, like I, I know it's so sorry to call you randomly on a Saturday, but like the truck and she's like a mom and she works hard and she has her own.
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Do you know what I mean? Like it just creates a different type of dynamic than when I was hiring males. Yes. Cause you can relate to them. Yes. I just, and I love that they, I don't know. You see the human behind them. Yeah. And I don't know, men's brains work differently.
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So I know that like with law and stuff, you have to follow law, but men's, they just don't, they're not thinking of how emotional certain things are when you hire an attorney. And so especially in immigration, I would imagine like you as a woman can empathize or sympathize with, you know, the, the emotional side of the entire process. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
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That's a lot of money. If you could just answer my call, I know you're busy, but if I'm going through something related to the case, I would agree that- And they get paid for those phone calls because they're hourly. So that's what I'm saying. Just humanize it a little bit. It's nice to have attorneys like you that exist. And I think that you set the bar where it should be. So I love that.
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And in 2022, you were recognized for the elite lawyer recognition. Is that also in Texas or is that like I think that's national. That's incredible. Yeah. Thank you. How do you feel about that?
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I know that you were talking about the immigration laws being federal, but are there different processes by state?
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Immigration Lawyer Kathleen Martinez on Green Cards, Deportation Myths & Fighting ICE in Pink
Well, I mean, you're not wrong.
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Like, are you kidding? You know? It's so scary. Like being on a witness stand without being an immigrant and without having a criminal record is absolutely terrifying. And I have fucked up and been like, oh, that wasn't the answer they were looking for. And I didn't say anything wrong. So just like as a white woman who doesn't have a criminal history, that's absolutely terrifying.
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I can imagine being an immigrant or trying to become an American citizen and having to go up there And be tricked in another language. Yes. Yeah. I just had Amanda Knox on the podcast and she was talking about that and, you know, having to do all this stuff in Italian when she was over there. Yeah. And being tricked because it was another language that she wasn't fluent in.
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Oh my God, you had Amanda Knox? Yeah. Yeah.
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You did?
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Immigration Lawyer Kathleen Martinez on Green Cards, Deportation Myths & Fighting ICE in Pink
Yes. That was crazy. That episode is today. It's out right now. That's crazy. I mean, being tricked in another language is – I can't even imagine. And then your entire life could shift based on those answers. Yeah.
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Okay. I wonder what like the Northeast, if it's fair or not. It's pretty fair in the Northeast.
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Immigration Lawyer Kathleen Martinez on Green Cards, Deportation Myths & Fighting ICE in Pink
So what is a typical, if there is such a thing, process in order to get a green card or a work visa or whatever it is? How do people come here documented? Right.
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Right.
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Immigration Lawyer Kathleen Martinez on Green Cards, Deportation Myths & Fighting ICE in Pink
Did you see my post on that? I think so. I think I did.
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Immigration Lawyer Kathleen Martinez on Green Cards, Deportation Myths & Fighting ICE in Pink
Your TikTok videos and your Instagram videos, for people who don't know, you spread information, useful and educational information about immigration and other things with law. What can people expect to see on your page?
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That was what I wanted to talk about. The ASMR video that somebody posted about the mass deportation that was happening. I'm not understanding that. And so everyone's like cheering and celebrating them leaving. And we're like watching this ASMR video of them in chains and shackles, literally their ankles and their wrists. They had not committed crimes.
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So what is that going to cost, right? So all of the people who were mass deported and are being held or that were not criminals and are not criminals. So expensive. So now we're paying for them to do – the taxpayer dollars are paying for those trials to determine whether or not they get to stay here or not. Did you hear about Guantanamo Bay? Yes. Okay. Let's talk about it.
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Immigration Lawyer Kathleen Martinez on Green Cards, Deportation Myths & Fighting ICE in Pink
He's out golfing.
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Immigration Lawyer Kathleen Martinez on Green Cards, Deportation Myths & Fighting ICE in Pink
How do I keep my nanny from being deported? They are coming here to work, to make money, to most likely send money back to their families, and they're getting treated like dirt.
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Where I grew up, I think the population was 4,000. I didn't see an immigrant or a black person until I was in fourth grade. So I've seen both sides of this. And so now that I'm older, I'm able to educate myself more because I did have implicit bias. And I recognize that. And so I think for so many white people, They don't understand that they have implicit bias. They don't know.
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Immigration Lawyer Kathleen Martinez on Green Cards, Deportation Myths & Fighting ICE in Pink
Oh, you can't?
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Immigration Lawyer Kathleen Martinez on Green Cards, Deportation Myths & Fighting ICE in Pink
Well, I'm voting Kathleen for president. Thank you so much for coming on Barely Famous Podcast and talking about such an important topic. I really appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you for having me. Where can people find you? TikTok, social media, your website? Where can people hire you? All over the internet. We'll link it all in the bio. Chronically online. Yeah, we'll link it all in the bio.
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Immigration Lawyer Kathleen Martinez on Green Cards, Deportation Myths & Fighting ICE in Pink
Thank you so much. Appreciate it.
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Immigration Lawyer Kathleen Martinez on Green Cards, Deportation Myths & Fighting ICE in Pink
What is the legal process?
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Immigration Lawyer Kathleen Martinez on Green Cards, Deportation Myths & Fighting ICE in Pink
No. Okay. So what... Yeah, I guess. So what is the process? You have to have a job?
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Yeah, no, I followed you a long time ago, but with all of the immigration things that are happening, I got on TikTok and I was... saying how I felt about what's going on. And people really felt like I was speaking out of turn. And I don't think that they recognize how much immigration impacts people who are not immigrants.
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Immigration Lawyer Kathleen Martinez on Green Cards, Deportation Myths & Fighting ICE in Pink
But there's even a process for that too, right? Like the government will track your marriage to make sure it's legit, to make sure that you guys are actually married for the right reasons and not because you're doing this to give someone citizenship. Is that right?
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Are there statistics that you know off the top of your head that are, you know, what percentage of immigrants are actually criminals? Because obviously we know that does exist.
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Right. Because they're most of the immigrants are coming here to work really hard and to provide for their families. And and so the last thing they want to do is jeopardize that.
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A lot easier and get away with it. So to me, that doesn't make sense. And obviously, that doesn't go for every single immigrant, but it's like, use your brain.
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Right. Right.
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Immigration Lawyer Kathleen Martinez on Green Cards, Deportation Myths & Fighting ICE in Pink
I mean, let's just use I don't know. I actually saw this viral clip about a farmer, a white farmer. I believe he was in the Midwest who voted against his own best interests. Right. Yeah. And the woman interviewing him was like, what are you going to do if they come try to deport every single person on this farm that you have employed here? You're screwed. You're fucked.
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Immigration Lawyer Kathleen Martinez on Green Cards, Deportation Myths & Fighting ICE in Pink
You can't do this work by yourself.
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Immigration Lawyer Kathleen Martinez on Green Cards, Deportation Myths & Fighting ICE in Pink
Okay, but let's go back to – let's talk about that for a second because most kids today are not willing to work the same way that other – like our generation has busted our asses since we could get a job, right? Yeah, yeah. My kids don't even want to pick up their laundry.
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Immigration Lawyer Kathleen Martinez on Green Cards, Deportation Myths & Fighting ICE in Pink
Oh, same.
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Immigration Lawyer Kathleen Martinez on Green Cards, Deportation Myths & Fighting ICE in Pink
So these kids are not going to work the same way that immigrants work.
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Immigration Lawyer Kathleen Martinez on Green Cards, Deportation Myths & Fighting ICE in Pink
But I would just love to go from start to finish with you about, you know, how you started and where you are now.
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And I also think that they see things on social media. This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. I recently was on a little therapy hiatus, but I'm happy to say that last week was my first week back in a little while. And I'm so happy to be back. Mental health awareness is growing, but there's still progress to be made.
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Visit betterhelp.com slash barely to get 10% off your first month. That's betterhelp, H-E-L-P dot com slash barely. So I talk about this a lot. It's not new information. My kids go to Spanish immersion school. So their half day is English and half day is Spanish, which I have absolutely loved. And I literally sought that out and applied them to it.
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I can't find that in Texas, by the way, which is interesting. Yeah. And that was something that I specifically sent my kids to the school for. And so with that being said, there is a large Hispanic population and And the kids are talking about it. And my son came home crying.
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So just going circling back to like the whole conversation surrounding deportation and immigration is like this is not just impacting immigrants. And people are so caught up in the criminal aspect of it. That is just I don't know how to get through to people who don't want to see it. And I know. So sometimes I feel like I'm wasting my breath and like I'm wasting my time trying to talk about it.
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But at the same time, I'm like, I want to change their minds. Maybe if they hear it from me as a white woman living in the suburbs, maybe they'll at least just give me a chance, hear us out, hear what we're saying. Do you think that because you are a woman in law and a woman that talks about immigration and you wear pink all the time, do you find it hard for people to take you seriously?
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Immigration Lawyer Kathleen Martinez on Green Cards, Deportation Myths & Fighting ICE in Pink
Oh, 100%.
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Immigration Lawyer Kathleen Martinez on Green Cards, Deportation Myths & Fighting ICE in Pink
You know what I mean?
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Immigration Lawyer Kathleen Martinez on Green Cards, Deportation Myths & Fighting ICE in Pink
It doesn't impact them directly too. And so I think they're so – it's so layered. Yes. there's so many layers to it. It's like, I think it's part of like how, you know, the people that are speaking on it, how we look, um, does it impact us? You know, they're fighting against implicit bias that they've grown up with.
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Like I was saying earlier, um, you know, just people around me growing up saying certain things. And I, I didn't necessarily believe what I was hearing. I just didn't know any better. So I didn't really speak on it, but now I feel like we have the resources to look into it. So I don't understand why people are not looking into it. As far as ICE raiding schools, there's a lot of controversy.
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Immigration Lawyer Kathleen Martinez on Green Cards, Deportation Myths & Fighting ICE in Pink
Can you confirm that that is actually true?
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Like for your story, you guys would always have each other to talk to if you didn't have somebody else. Where like I wasn't always in a relationship. Wait, what's Blue Monkey?
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So that's why you're going to make a great podcast.
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Friendship Fallouts & Controversy with Kail Lowry
What kind of bed? Laying or having sex?
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Do you watch A Thousand Pound Sisters? Oh, dude.
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I love A Thousand Pound Sisters. You can't tell me shit about Amy. You can't tell me shit about Tammy.
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Dude, we should get them on your podcast.
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But... No, you know what? We're actually going to – Kate's going to be the producer and it's going to be Ty and Tammy. Oh, I love it.
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Cause a lot of times what will happen is they'll say, Oh, you built, break it down. Perfect. We'll change the names and add two new hosts. Wow. And they'll use all of the audience that you built and put someone else there. And so I advocate for that to not happen.
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Wait, you do that to your – like, but you did that? You didn't come up with that? No, he just does it. I just found out this out like three days ago.
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Is he telling you every little detail from start to finish until the point that you're like, wait, I don't understand what the point of the story is? All right.
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I have the pop your pussy like this. Okay. Are we made of startup? People have Googled this before.
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Yes, scientifically speaking, humans are considered made of stardust because the atoms that make up our bodies, like carbon, oxygen, and iron, were primarily created inside stars through nuclear fusion before our solar system formed, meaning that material that constitutes us originated from the stars that exploded long ago. Yep.
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Why do you know that? I know, right? Exactly.
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This is when you were on ketamine. No. No.
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Yeah, I'm so excited. Are you excited? Yeah, I'm excited, too, because we're working together again, and I didn't know if I would ever see you guys, like, in person again. I know. And here we are. And you guys trusted me enough to even ask me for advice, and I was like, fuck yeah. Like, this is my bread and butter. Yeah.
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So you're not offended by it?
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No, but the animation in his face when he talks is everything.
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You're like, make her feel bad?
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God damn it. The good thing about podcasting is that you're able to shut it off when you feel like it. Because if you over talk, you can just clip it down. Which, that's great.
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I know, I'm going to get a red button. Let him do Tyler rant segments. Oh, that's great. No, no, no. For mini episodes. I don't think people want to hear that.
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Okay, well, I would beg to differ. Yeah, I would beg to differ. Really? Just try it. I'll ask. I'll ask in the book club and I'll say we have a special guest.
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Well, I'm just glad that we all got to work together. I think that a lot of people also think that I burnt bridges with MTV and like don't. Oh, they do?
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Yes. Like, you don't just garbage TV.
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I actually just said that to my book club yesterday. I texted in the group because one of the girls is also a mom and she reads books.
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as many books as i do and she also she was texting about a show and i said nicole i do not understand how you're a mom you read and you watch tv i get to pick between tv or reading books it's one or the other it's not both right so i was asking uh was i asking you guys yeah i was asking you guys how many of the girls are on team like i don't know anything about anything yeah because i just read i don't even watch tv at all we don't listen the only tv we watch is in our bedroom which i don't even watch i'm reading about stars and she's watching tlc and jamie and so i'm like
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Because there was a scene. Where's Larry? There's an iconic scene where I'm in my podcast, one of my podcast studios and I flip Larry the bird. But it wasn't, it wasn't, I think people perceive it however they want to perceive it. I wasn't flipping Larry off. You know what I mean? And so people think that I burnt the bridges with MTV and then I don't have relationships with like you or Macy or.
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Oh, I hope that never changes.
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Nope. I feel like for you guys too, like just being together, you don't know any different, right? Yeah. Or is it different because you've seen your parents do different things?
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I think just in general. Like, I was just like, fuck this sort of deal. Not sort of like, fuck Larry or fuck MTV. It was just like, I was not in a good state of mind, but it was just sort of like, fuck everything.
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Yeah. So three are in sports. One is in like other things. So Isaac does – he's the president of ASL Club. Okay. He just auditioned for a play at school and then he also is in the debate team. So he has like several after school things. Love it.
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Well, so it was a little tricky because he showed interest and then he was sort of confused by it because you have to like learn the rules and like the techniques and the tactics to debate properly and to debate properly. And so he was kind of having a rough time. But I was like, listen, you can ask for your professors or your teachers for help or you can get a job.
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because i'm not we're doing one or the other you're either gonna fill your schedule with like academics and things that you can put on a resume or you're gonna go get a job so it's one or the other and i think at that point he was like okay i'm gonna reach out to my teachers and get help and now he likes it oh okay good um what are the rules and debate club i thought there's like certain um like verbiage that you use and there's certain tactics to be able to debate someone like properly okay um i'm not fully versed on it so i don't even want to like give information but he was like telling me about why it was like
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He didn't understand it. And I said, that's why you got to ask for help. But like, if you're not going to fill your schedule with academics and clubs and things like that, then we need to figure out a job because you can't go out here at 18 years old and have no skills. Well, right.
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Yeah. So like, I just want him to be able to, I want to set him up for the future. And if you're not going to have sports on any sort of like application or resume or something, like you have to have skills from something. And I feel like debate is one of the best ones to have. I don't know that for sure, but I'm like making it up as I go. Oh yeah.
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Oh, for sure. And like Isaac reminds me a lot of Tyler.
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Because it challenges everything. that they stand for and it like challenges their own insecurities I feel and so like Isaac will challenge any like if you tell him we're made of stardust he's gonna figure out why we're made of stardust where does that come from yeah where did you get to that conclusion like he wants to know about God about religion about all of the things yep
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He was asking me about insurance the other day. And he was like, wait, so it's basically a scam. It is? No, it is. It is a scam.
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I'm like, okay, cool. I'm moving to Europe. All right, cool. As long as you can be an interpreter over there, it's fine. Lincoln's in basketball and soccer. Okay. And then Lux and Creed are in soccer, basketball, wrestling, football.
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not all at the same time they're all during different seasons okay so but so so monday through friday you're all at practices right because monday through friday isaac has all of his clubs are three days a week so like um three days out of the week okay and then lincoln has right now he has game and practice once a week like a game on one day a practice on another so he's not in every day yet okay lux and creed are at a practice almost every single day oh my god
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But that's the thing. They're like, well, Kale is... She has to remember where she came from. No, 100% I do. And I give flowers and I give credit where credit is due all the time. I understand that MTV is where I started. I understand.
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So it's like Monday through Friday.
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Right. Like how do you juggle it all? I think that I've confused people about the nanny thing. So like there's this whole controversy online about if I have nanny – if I have a nanny and how many nannies I have.
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Well, there was this huge uproar about influencers and reality people that have nannies. And I am fully transparent when it comes to stuff like that. And so I said I had a nanny. I did have a nanny for a long time. But by nanny, what I meant was I do not have a live-in nanny that helps us 24-7. That's what people seem to – they took it and run.
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And they were like, oh, Kale has a live-in nanny or nannies. No, I have a child care provider that comes to my home. to watch my babies, the three babies, Monday through Friday from 8 to 4.
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But some people have live-in nannies, and I did try to go down.
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Actually, no. What? So, actually, that's like... The more cost-effective... We'll talk about it later.
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An au pair is actually more affordable than a nanny.
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Yes, because we struggle with that issue. Well, so that's the thing. So she comes from eight to four. She is literally...
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a saint on this earth like truly everything so she's there eight to four but at four o'clock she clocks out she's done all right we do not have nights we do not have weekends and then um i'm taking i'm ripping and running for the sports luckily he's at in high school and so he stays after school i don't have to like go pick him up and then bring him back so it's sort of like okay pick him up drop lincoln off lincoln's at the age where i can start to drop him off right right i'll never miss a game if i don't have to
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Friendship Fallouts & Controversy with Kail Lowry
But I also... feel like some of the cast, this is no shade to anyone, some cast members take that platform and launch and propel themselves into different directions and some don't.
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Friendship Fallouts & Controversy with Kail Lowry
Um, but then Lux and Creed, since they're at the, like sort of the same age, a lot of their things are on the same day and they're all signed up for the same thing. So I'm at the same location for both of them. Okay. Yeah. And so luckily right now, everything's sort of on different, like Lincoln sports right now are on different days than Lux and Creed or they're at a different time. Got it.
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Friendship Fallouts & Controversy with Kail Lowry
So I can go take the younger ones that go. I want to see how fucking crazy your calendar looks. Oh, I'll send you a picture. When this episode drops, I'll have a picture.
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Friendship Fallouts & Controversy with Kail Lowry
No, it's chaos, but I don't know what I would do if we were just home and not doing anything. We landed from Disney and I flew here. Right, yeah. I didn't even have 24 hours at home before I was already on another plane and ready to go. You can't.
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Friendship Fallouts & Controversy with Kail Lowry
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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Friendship Fallouts & Controversy with Kail Lowry
And so to say that I still owe them something when I've said thank you, I've paid my, like I've done all the things, I've literally exploited my entire life, I also deserve credit for propelling myself with the platform. Yeah, and what you have done with that platform, yes.
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Friendship Fallouts & Controversy with Kail Lowry
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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Friendship Fallouts & Controversy with Kail Lowry
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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Friendship Fallouts & Controversy with Kail Lowry
It's sort of like when Ty was talking to us about how people... getting mad at him for your decisions and your power and your, your choices. Yeah. It's sort of like that. Like, yeah, I know where I came from, but I also have sort of paved the path for other, for other opportunities. Absolutely. Yeah. And thank you to MTV for giving me the start. You know what I mean? Right. Right.
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Friendship Fallouts & Controversy with Kail Lowry
And like you said, that'll never go away. And I think that's normal. Yeah.
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Friendship Fallouts & Controversy with Kail Lowry
Even my friendships, which was something that Macy and I talked about while we were here. Oh, interesting. Okay. I said all of my falling outs with friends or even just separating from friends were so public because they were such a huge part of my story on MTV, which they're a big part of my life in general.
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Friendship Fallouts & Controversy with Kail Lowry
Not in a way that I... I don't regret the friendships, but I think having them so publicized, but I don't have family members that can be on the show. That's exactly what my thought was. What am I supposed to do when you want me to have a conversation? It was sort of like, and I hate to say this, but like Farrah really didn't have anyone. Right.
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Friendship Fallouts & Controversy with Kail Lowry
So that's when they if I remember correctly, that's when they started having to break the fourth wall with her producer because she literally didn't have anyone to talk to.
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Friendship Fallouts & Controversy with Kail Lowry
So it was either that or I was talking to friends. And so I think in that way, like, obviously, I needed to have those conversations. But at the same time, I do think that it changed the dynamic and the intentions of the people that I was talking to was like. It either didn't start off authentic and genuine or it turned into something where they wanted to have a following. They wanted to get paid.
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Friendship Fallouts & Controversy with Kail Lowry
You weren't going to sign to my network? Well, at first we just wanted advice. No, Kale was not.
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Friendship Fallouts & Controversy with Kail Lowry
And I think that's where a lot of them sort of went wrong where Becky and I don't have that same story, which you guys already met Becky earlier. It was like a very different sort of situation that happened. Well, and I remember Becky from years ago.
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Friendship Fallouts & Controversy with Kail Lowry
No, we never, we actually never talked about it. We never, we fell out and it was like very apparent publicly. But I think just having my relationship, my friendship so public has been really rough. Yeah. Um,
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Friendship Fallouts & Controversy with Kail Lowry
Oh, really? Anyone that has publicly said something about me, you are dead to me and I will never look back. The fact that Becky never went public about it I feel like we can grow and we can progress and we can rekindle. But anyone else... If you've said anything publicly about me and or are falling out, I will never speak to you again.
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Friendship Fallouts & Controversy with Kail Lowry
But I want to give everybody the benefit of the doubt. So I will not trust someone and still let them in because I want to believe they're going to prove me wrong.
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Friendship Fallouts & Controversy with Kail Lowry
Has anyone in your life asked you for money all the time?
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Friendship Fallouts & Controversy with Kail Lowry
Oh yeah. We get asked for money all the time.
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Friendship Fallouts & Controversy with Kail Lowry
The closest people to me have never asked me for money. Oh, the closest people to me have asked me. Oh yeah. It's the people that I'm not close with that have asked for money.
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Friendship Fallouts & Controversy with Kail Lowry
Isn't that interesting? Becky was offered like $10,000 to sell me out.
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Friendship Fallouts & Controversy with Kail Lowry
Oh, you did? Yeah, we did. I didn't get to sit in on the episode. Okay, so for anyone listening to this episode, I am helping Caitlin and Tyler launch their podcast and I'm just here to support you guys in any way I can. So if I ever like take over this podcast, just stop me.
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Friendship Fallouts & Controversy with Kail Lowry
But so I wasn't there for the recording with Becky, but what did she say?
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Friendship Fallouts & Controversy with Kail Lowry
I was like, are you kidding me? Like, literally, any help you guys need, like, that's what all of us are here for.
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Friendship Fallouts & Controversy with Kail Lowry
Well, even like other friends that I fell out with, she said reached out to her to try to like.
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Friendship Fallouts & Controversy with Kail Lowry
Be like friends and bond over hating me.
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Friendship Fallouts & Controversy with Kail Lowry
Last year we did, um, for barely famous, we did a Christmas give back where it was like clear the list, but people submitted their stories for why they needed help. And I made my kids help me read them because I wanted my kids to understand what was, why we needed to help other people and them reading some of these stories, I feel like made such an impact on them.
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Friendship Fallouts & Controversy with Kail Lowry
I also think that I have paid my dues in the podcast community and where like I have been through three networks and the first one I went through, um, there was like lawyers and litigation and things like that. And I understood that, um, a lot of podcasters enter the podcast world and don't own their content.
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Friendship Fallouts & Controversy with Kail Lowry
I had someone where I helped them pay off college and she was like, I'll pay you back. She got her MTV check and bought a car. She, a new car. She already had one. She went on a cruise with her boyfriend. I was like, okay. Is this a former friend? Yeah. I mean, we never had a falling out. We just never spoke again. But I mean, she did things. She never paid me back.
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Friendship Fallouts & Controversy with Kail Lowry
It probably hasn't thought twice. Your intention was pure. And that's the thing. It's like I try to hold on to that, but it's just the point that you said you would pay me back. If you would have never said, oh, I'll pay you back, I wouldn't think twice about it. But it's just like –
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Friendship Fallouts & Controversy with Kail Lowry
We've had them since middle school. That's so crazy to me. I feel like I've also moved a lot. So it's been sort of impossible.
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Friendship Fallouts & Controversy with Kail Lowry
I mean, I keep in touch with some on social. Or we might text from time to time. But I would say, I mean, I moved. a lot when I was a kid up until even recently. I mean, I just moved to Delaware 10 years ago. So any friendships there, but then halfway through, you know, the 10 years, Javi and I got divorced.
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Friendship Fallouts & Controversy with Kail Lowry
So the friendship sort of by default, not by anybody's fault, but sort of, sort of separated. And then, um, so I don't think that I have had the, even if I wanted to would have had the ability to like maintain a lot of the friendships just by default.
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Friendship Fallouts & Controversy with Kail Lowry
Stay connected. That was the hardest part. Cause I didn't get a cell phone until I was 16. So I didn't, any time that I moved before I turned 16, I couldn't maintain a relationship. I didn't have a computer. I didn't have a phone. So it was more like reconnecting once I had a cell phone. But I would say like once I got a cell phone, was able to like reconnect with people.
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Friendship Fallouts & Controversy with Kail Lowry
I mean, I've, I've kept in touch. Like I said, I think the longest friend would be, I mean, I've been friends with Kristen for 10 years. Okay. Yeah. I've been friends with Becky. I mean, obviously with the exception of our falling out about 12 years. Okay. And so I've had like long-term friends, but like childhood friends. No, I mean, these are friendships from my adulthood.
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Friendship Fallouts & Controversy with Kail Lowry
Interesting. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. I have...
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Friendship Fallouts & Controversy with Kail Lowry
And so signing to my network, I fight for anyone that signs to killer to own their own stuff. So if you decided you're not happy with me, you take all your shit with you.
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Friendship Fallouts & Controversy with Kail Lowry
I'm like, what are you talking about? Oh, yeah. I mean, I think on a regular... Especially because, you know, Baby Mama's podcast is done. Yeah. And so everyone just automatically assumed, oh, it's Kale's fault. Oh, I see. Because Kale can't keep a friend. Well, I've lost Becky. I've lost Mark. I've lost... You know, there's friendships that I have really, really... People...
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Friendship Fallouts & Controversy with Kail Lowry
thought were a lot deeper than they were or or maybe because of the situation that we fell out or whatever the case may be it's always my fault oh and so that's kind of what i was explaining to you earlier is that i still have this like very um guarded perception that i am so reactive i'm so angry i'm so bitter i can't keep a friend i'm always the problem like that is still you don't come i know so maybe we're not in a loop that's what people think of me like they truly believe that and i'm just like but it's not even like
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Friendship Fallouts & Controversy with Kail Lowry
Even with me and Becky, it wasn't a one-sided situation that caused us to fall out. It was very much a mutual decision. It was not even a decision, but more so like mutual circumstances that caused it. And I think that's across the board for all of them. But for some reason, people just assume it's me.
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Friendship Fallouts & Controversy with Kail Lowry
I'm not going to try to capitalize off of your shit.
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Friendship Fallouts & Controversy with Kail Lowry
Becky, I definitely had – because she was at my house like every weekend. Because we never – she lives in Jersey and I live in Delaware. So it was sort of a drive. But like we were doing Christmases together. Oh, wow. So there was like a huge gap and we were like – everyone was like, what's going on? But I don't necessarily have to explain – well, what's fucked up is I had a friend –
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Friendship Fallouts & Controversy with Kail Lowry
And then they reached out to Isaac. They were texting him and I was like, Oh, you're weird. No, no, no, no. Yeah. No, that's where I draw the line. Like now you've got me fucked up. Yeah. Um, yeah. You're reaching out to my kids. Like what?
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Friendship Fallouts & Controversy with Kail Lowry
I'm not going to try to capitalize off of what you have built. Right. I mean, because I went through that, that's been really, really important to me. Like even if someone chooses not to sign with my network, like go somewhere where you're going to own all of your content and you get to take that with you and you can't be replaced.
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Friendship Fallouts & Controversy with Kail Lowry
Like that's, that is very weird. That's so interesting. Cause I feel like Macy's had the same friends. Chelsea's had the same friends. Um, I think Leah hasn't really necessarily had the same friends, but nobody talks about that. Right. And I'm not calling her out by any means.
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Friendship Fallouts & Controversy with Kail Lowry
I don't want this to be like shade. No. You know what I mean? So I think that there are – why do I – but maybe because they're not as big of a part on the show.