Gilbert Arenas

I mean, okay.

Yeah, you know, it's just depending on your time frame. He would be the second worst five-time MVP. If you use all of NBA, if you narrow it down, it depends on how you want to do it these days.

Yeah, you know, it's just depending on your time frame. He would be the second worst five-time MVP. If you use all of NBA, if you narrow it down, it depends on how you want to do it these days.

Yeah, you know, it's just depending on your time frame. He would be the second worst five-time MVP. If you use all of NBA, if you narrow it down, it depends on how you want to do it these days.

When you're talking about MVP and when you're talking about these debates, for some reason, everybody wants to use the team award first. You want to use...

When you're talking about MVP and when you're talking about these debates, for some reason, everybody wants to use the team award first. You want to use...

When you're talking about MVP and when you're talking about these debates, for some reason, everybody wants to use the team award first. You want to use...

uh championships when it's actually the opposite when you're talking about someone's personal legacy it goes off of how dominant was he individually and then team stuff is later on so when you do a point system on if you look at the top 10 you will realize them championships is irrelevant when it comes to your individual awards. Scottie Pippen has six, right? Yeah.

uh championships when it's actually the opposite when you're talking about someone's personal legacy it goes off of how dominant was he individually and then team stuff is later on so when you do a point system on if you look at the top 10 you will realize them championships is irrelevant when it comes to your individual awards. Scottie Pippen has six, right? Yeah.

uh championships when it's actually the opposite when you're talking about someone's personal legacy it goes off of how dominant was he individually and then team stuff is later on so when you do a point system on if you look at the top 10 you will realize them championships is irrelevant when it comes to your individual awards. Scottie Pippen has six, right? Yeah.

There's guys who don't have rings in front of him on the all-time list. Oh, yeah, yeah. You got Karl Malone in front of him. You got John Stockton. You got people who don't even have one in front of them because his six is not valued like Michael Jordan's six. But if you take away Michael Jordan's rings, he has 10 scoring titles. He has six MVPs. He has defensive ward.

There's guys who don't have rings in front of him on the all-time list. Oh, yeah, yeah. You got Karl Malone in front of him. You got John Stockton. You got people who don't even have one in front of them because his six is not valued like Michael Jordan's six. But if you take away Michael Jordan's rings, he has 10 scoring titles. He has six MVPs. He has defensive ward.

There's guys who don't have rings in front of him on the all-time list. Oh, yeah, yeah. You got Karl Malone in front of him. You got John Stockton. You got people who don't even have one in front of them because his six is not valued like Michael Jordan's six. But if you take away Michael Jordan's rings, he has 10 scoring titles. He has six MVPs. He has defensive ward.

Those, it shows his personal dominance. Jokic's personal dominance. When he's done, you have to argue. He's top one, two best sinners ever. The only person who you remove rings, The only person who is going to be standing tall over him is Kareem. What about Shaq? Because you can always say Shaq is maybe the most dominant.

Those, it shows his personal dominance. Jokic's personal dominance. When he's done, you have to argue. He's top one, two best sinners ever. The only person who you remove rings, The only person who is going to be standing tall over him is Kareem. What about Shaq? Because you can always say Shaq is maybe the most dominant.

Those, it shows his personal dominance. Jokic's personal dominance. When he's done, you have to argue. He's top one, two best sinners ever. The only person who you remove rings, The only person who is going to be standing tall over him is Kareem. What about Shaq? Because you can always say Shaq is maybe the most dominant.

Yeah, and when you use the word dominant, you got to say, like, what kind of dominant are we talking about? Are we talking about breaking rim dominant and just brute force dominant and we're scared of you dominant? Or just sheer, I'm out here just manipulating the game, taking over dominance? When you hear Shaq say dominance, I'm like, yeah, because I know how that looks.

Yeah, and when you use the word dominant, you got to say, like, what kind of dominant are we talking about? Are we talking about breaking rim dominant and just brute force dominant and we're scared of you dominant? Or just sheer, I'm out here just manipulating the game, taking over dominance? When you hear Shaq say dominance, I'm like, yeah, because I know how that looks.

Yeah, and when you use the word dominant, you got to say, like, what kind of dominant are we talking about? Are we talking about breaking rim dominant and just brute force dominant and we're scared of you dominant? Or just sheer, I'm out here just manipulating the game, taking over dominance? When you hear Shaq say dominance, I'm like, yeah, because I know how that looks.

You're breaking rims, pushing people down. There has to be a 40-minute timeout because they got to get a new rim in from Best Buy. I get that. But what Jokic is doing and how he dominates is dominant also.