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was not interested in approving because of how negatively it depicted all the people around her.

As a result, it uses all the Carpenter's music, but it is not something you could really legally watch.

But it was a fascinating, certainly for me as a, I don't know, a 19-year-old college student to think that there are

You know, after having seen La Bamba and Selena when I was growing up and movies that were very stereotypical biopics that you could actually just be completely wild and do something like this.

It's amazing.

What are some other movies, some music biopics that have been surprising to either of you?

Lindsay, do you have a couple suggestions on movies that sort of mess around with what we expect from a biopic?

If Tom Hanks did it wrong in Elvis, he certainly did it right with That Thing You Do, which he starred in and he wrote and he directed.

I think this is one of the great music biopics.

It's certainly not for everyone.

It is also directed by Todd Haynes, an art house director.

And it is a fractured portrait of...

of a man and a musician who purposefully has tried to make himself unknowable to his fans and to the world at large.

And so the strategy of picking Cate Blanchett, as you say, sort of depicting him during those years that we saw in the black and white documentary that was made about Bob Dylan, you have Christian Bale doing a version of Bob Dylan, Heath Ledger, Ben Whishaw, Richard Gere,

Um, it, it, it's one of the smartest, if not always totally legible or crowd-pleasing decisions that I've ever seen in terms of how to make a different sort of story about a musician.

uh spiritually dare i say we cannot leave this topic without um talking about some of the parodies that have been made we touched briefly on walk hard the dewey cox story which stars john c reilly and is just so funny uh but there's another movie i know that we are all fans of yes i did re-watch uh pop star never stop stopping never stop never no

It's pop star.

Never stop.

Never stop.

Never stop.