Gilbert Cruz

Yes.

So speaking for myself, I have little idea what goes on at these events.

I see videos.

I see photos.

I imagine various celebrities sitting in various places and watching models walk down the runway.

But I actually don't know what any of that means.

I don't understand what's happening in the room.

I would love for you to decode it for me a little bit, if you can, as someone who's been to maybe more than a few of these.

Yes.

What are you doing in those 45 minutes?

Are you looking around?

Are you?

I play Spelling Bee by the New York Times.

What are you seeing in the room, Stella?

What are you looking for?

Yeah, can you tell me something that falls into this category from this season or a past one?

What did he show?

Jacob, do you remember a moment at a show where you said to yourself, I'm seeing something that feels unique, different, I'm having a genuine aesthetic or emotional reaction to it?

That's a great transition because I feel like what you are both talking about is an aesthetic experience in some way that you're having there, right?

You're thinking about fabrics, you're thinking about looks, you're thinking about moments of extremity maybe, but how is that influencing fashion?