Menu
Sign In Search Podcasts Charts People & Topics Add Podcast API Pricing

Gillian Metzger

đŸ‘€ Person
170 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

Podcast Appearances

The Ezra Klein Show
‘A Sword and a Shield’: How the Supreme Court Supercharged Trump’s Power

So that could be a potential check. The other area where you might see the court pushing back is on some suggestions, for example, that the president just has the power to decide not to spend money when the president wants to.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘A Sword and a Shield’: How the Supreme Court Supercharged Trump’s Power

So that could be a potential check. The other area where you might see the court pushing back is on some suggestions, for example, that the president just has the power to decide not to spend money when the president wants to.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘A Sword and a Shield’: How the Supreme Court Supercharged Trump’s Power

That's at odds with a statute called the Empowerment Control Act, and it's also at odds with the longstanding understanding that Congress is the entity that controls the power of the purse. Right.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘A Sword and a Shield’: How the Supreme Court Supercharged Trump’s Power

That's at odds with a statute called the Empowerment Control Act, and it's also at odds with the longstanding understanding that Congress is the entity that controls the power of the purse. Right.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘A Sword and a Shield’: How the Supreme Court Supercharged Trump’s Power

Yes. And why? Because a department is part of government and this is not part of government.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘A Sword and a Shield’: How the Supreme Court Supercharged Trump’s Power

Yes. And why? Because a department is part of government and this is not part of government.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘A Sword and a Shield’: How the Supreme Court Supercharged Trump’s Power

Yes, we shouldn't call it a department. And also, if Congress were to create a department, then the individuals appointed to lead it would have to go through the methods for appointment that are laid out in the Appointments Clause, which is not just the president issuing a tweet.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘A Sword and a Shield’: How the Supreme Court Supercharged Trump’s Power

Yes, we shouldn't call it a department. And also, if Congress were to create a department, then the individuals appointed to lead it would have to go through the methods for appointment that are laid out in the Appointments Clause, which is not just the president issuing a tweet.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘A Sword and a Shield’: How the Supreme Court Supercharged Trump’s Power

Right. So, I mean, we have statutes that grant the civil service cause protection against being just fired. And that also gives them procedural rights to appeal adverse actions taken against them. President doesn't have the authority to just do away with a statute. In fact, the president's supposed to take care that the law be faithfully executed.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘A Sword and a Shield’: How the Supreme Court Supercharged Trump’s Power

Right. So, I mean, we have statutes that grant the civil service cause protection against being just fired. And that also gives them procedural rights to appeal adverse actions taken against them. President doesn't have the authority to just do away with a statute. In fact, the president's supposed to take care that the law be faithfully executed.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘A Sword and a Shield’: How the Supreme Court Supercharged Trump’s Power

So that statute is a constraint on what the president can do. The part that gets a little complicated is that the statutes do give the president some authority over the civil service. And in the first Trump administration, they issued what was called famously Schedule F, which was an effort to pull employees who perform a policymaking job.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘A Sword and a Shield’: How the Supreme Court Supercharged Trump’s Power

So that statute is a constraint on what the president can do. The part that gets a little complicated is that the statutes do give the president some authority over the civil service. And in the first Trump administration, they issued what was called famously Schedule F, which was an effort to pull employees who perform a policymaking job.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘A Sword and a Shield’: How the Supreme Court Supercharged Trump’s Power

or policy advocating or confidential function out from the protections of the civil service. And the president tried to do that by executive order, using authority that the president has under the statute. Because it happened so late in the term, agencies just didn't implement it, and President Biden revoked it immediately on coming into office.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘A Sword and a Shield’: How the Supreme Court Supercharged Trump’s Power

or policy advocating or confidential function out from the protections of the civil service. And the president tried to do that by executive order, using authority that the president has under the statute. Because it happened so late in the term, agencies just didn't implement it, and President Biden revoked it immediately on coming into office.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘A Sword and a Shield’: How the Supreme Court Supercharged Trump’s Power

I think we're going to see another executive order imposing Schedule F or something pretty similar to it very quickly in the second Trump term. And I think whether or not that ends up being something that's within the president's authority will be a question that the courts will have to grapple with.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘A Sword and a Shield’: How the Supreme Court Supercharged Trump’s Power

I think we're going to see another executive order imposing Schedule F or something pretty similar to it very quickly in the second Trump term. And I think whether or not that ends up being something that's within the president's authority will be a question that the courts will have to grapple with.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘A Sword and a Shield’: How the Supreme Court Supercharged Trump’s Power

Birthright citizenship is in the Constitution. It's in the 14th Amendment. So it's not something the president can end. What I would really hope is that if the president tries to get an agency to take action based on the idea that there is no birthright citizenship, that executive branch lawyers would say no because it's patently wrong as a legal matter.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘A Sword and a Shield’: How the Supreme Court Supercharged Trump’s Power

Birthright citizenship is in the Constitution. It's in the 14th Amendment. So it's not something the president can end. What I would really hope is that if the president tries to get an agency to take action based on the idea that there is no birthright citizenship, that executive branch lawyers would say no because it's patently wrong as a legal matter.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘A Sword and a Shield’: How the Supreme Court Supercharged Trump’s Power

So one of the silver linings, maybe the only silver lining of the court's attack on administrative governance, is that it has sparked a whole range of great administrative law historical scholarship, really investigating the origins of the United States administrative state. The first book that I'd recommend is one by Jerry Mishaw called Creating the Administrative Constitution.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘A Sword and a Shield’: How the Supreme Court Supercharged Trump’s Power

So one of the silver linings, maybe the only silver lining of the court's attack on administrative governance, is that it has sparked a whole range of great administrative law historical scholarship, really investigating the origins of the United States administrative state. The first book that I'd recommend is one by Jerry Mishaw called Creating the Administrative Constitution.