Ginni Rometty

There's no easy way.

You have to authentically believe it.

I mean, do you authentically believe that diversity is a good thing?

I know, so it is.

It's just like, oh, I can't hire exactly for, or if I'm trying to, but I do know one thing that when people say, well, I can't find these kind of people I'm looking for, I'm like, you're just not looking in the right places.

Right, you have to open up.

You gotta really open up new pools, right?

I'm sorry to say it.

Yeah, there were a lot of times for that.

I mean, I think every company faces that today in that I always felt like there's so much discussion about stakeholder capitalism, right?

Do you just serve a shareholder or do you have multiple?

I have always found, and I've been very vocal about that topic, that when I participated in the Business Roundtable, wrote up a new purpose statement that had multiple stakeholders.

I think it's common sense.

Like if you're going to be 100 years old, you only get there because you actually do at some time balance all these different stakeholders and what it is that you do in short term, long term, all these trade-offs.

And I always say people who write about it, they write about it black and white, but I have to live in a gray world.

Nothing I've ever done has been in a black and white world, hardly.

Maybe things of values that I had to answer, but most of it is gray.

And so I think back lots of different decisions.

I think back, as you would well remember, you're a student of history.

IBM was one of the, really the originators of the semiconductor industry and certainly of commercializing the semiconductor industry.