Gisèle Pelicot

Also in this podcast... I told myself that it was inconceivable that this man who shared my life could have committed these horrors.

In the era of great power rivalry, even the United States will not be powerful enough to go it alone.

I think the last three months show how it works.

If someone would have told me in November, the European Union and the other European NATO partners like UK and Norway would face the threat of 28 bullet points on Ukraine by Donald Trump, a mysterious process down to the 20 points we have now agreed between US and Europe and Ukraine.

And second, to bring the president of the United States away from his mysterious plan to integrate Greenland into the U.S.

In both, Europe was successful.

And I think this is the way we have to go.

We have to do the things that we think that are necessary for us.

And with that, we will impress our American partners because they have reliable partners in us concerning defense, but also concerning economics and concerning security.

making more independent from nations like China or Russia concerning energy or concerning new technology.

For example, if you talk to members of the US Senate from both parties, I think there's a huge majority to continue close transatlantic cooperation

not only defense, but also economic-wise and in other political fields like rule-based world order and other things.

And Donald Trump saw, with the reaction of the Senate on his Venezuela activities, that he cannot be sure that there's a majority in the Senate kept by the Republicans for him

to do such operations abroad.

And I think this was also one of the reasons why he stepped down from the Greenland point and why he now is more soft in his wording on defense in Europe and defense with Europe.

As long as we are standing close together in Europe, not only European Union, but important nations like Germany,

Like UK, we have the chance to impress US and to make sure that Americans see an advantage in close cooperation with us.

Instead of that was the US president told them.

And I'm sure that we can recover transatlantic cooperation on that way.

I told myself that it was inconceivable that this man who shared my life could have committed these horrors.