Glenn Greenwald

history and say oh we're here to tell you the truth now so you can trust us when it's very easy now to say all this now that intelligence agencies have come out and said they think it's a lab leak and that's what's going on is an attempt to salvage reputations not to be truthful

history and say oh we're here to tell you the truth now so you can trust us when it's very easy now to say all this now that intelligence agencies have come out and said they think it's a lab leak and that's what's going on is an attempt to salvage reputations not to be truthful

I mean, it was such grotesque politicization of the science. I'll never, ever forget how they said you have to stay at home. You cannot leave your home under any circumstances, even if it's to go to your parents' funeral, you're a grandma killer, you're a sociopath if you leave your home.

I mean, it was such grotesque politicization of the science. I'll never, ever forget how they said you have to stay at home. You cannot leave your home under any circumstances, even if it's to go to your parents' funeral, you're a grandma killer, you're a sociopath if you leave your home.

I mean, it was such grotesque politicization of the science. I'll never, ever forget how they said you have to stay at home. You cannot leave your home under any circumstances, even if it's to go to your parents' funeral, you're a grandma killer, you're a sociopath if you leave your home.

And then the Black Lives Matter protests erupt in the middle of 2020, four months later, and they're like, not only can you leave your home, you should leave your home because it's a huge public health risk to allow racism to fester. And they just radically revised their quote unquote expertise based on their political agenda. And this is exactly, it's so ironic, Megan, because

And then the Black Lives Matter protests erupt in the middle of 2020, four months later, and they're like, not only can you leave your home, you should leave your home because it's a huge public health risk to allow racism to fester. And they just radically revised their quote unquote expertise based on their political agenda. And this is exactly, it's so ironic, Megan, because

And then the Black Lives Matter protests erupt in the middle of 2020, four months later, and they're like, not only can you leave your home, you should leave your home because it's a huge public health risk to allow racism to fester. And they just radically revised their quote unquote expertise based on their political agenda. And this is exactly, it's so ironic, Megan, because

Their view of how COVID spread, which was, oh, these Chinese people have filthy, disgusting, unsanitary wet markets and they eat bats. And that's how this actually escaped was a much more racist theory than the view that, you know what? The Chinese have a very sophisticated research lab that we in the United States fund and work with. And perhaps they used insufficiently careful procedures.

Their view of how COVID spread, which was, oh, these Chinese people have filthy, disgusting, unsanitary wet markets and they eat bats. And that's how this actually escaped was a much more racist theory than the view that, you know what? The Chinese have a very sophisticated research lab that we in the United States fund and work with. And perhaps they used insufficiently careful procedures.

Their view of how COVID spread, which was, oh, these Chinese people have filthy, disgusting, unsanitary wet markets and they eat bats. And that's how this actually escaped was a much more racist theory than the view that, you know what? The Chinese have a very sophisticated research lab that we in the United States fund and work with. And perhaps they used insufficiently careful procedures.

And that was the way more racist view, the one they were pushing. But ultimately, it didn't matter which was the racist view or not. The only thing that mattered was what actually happened. And by exploiting racism and xenophobia against the Chinese, these journalists- prevented the truth from even being discussed, let alone being let out.

And that was the way more racist view, the one they were pushing. But ultimately, it didn't matter which was the racist view or not. The only thing that mattered was what actually happened. And by exploiting racism and xenophobia against the Chinese, these journalists- prevented the truth from even being discussed, let alone being let out.

And that was the way more racist view, the one they were pushing. But ultimately, it didn't matter which was the racist view or not. The only thing that mattered was what actually happened. And by exploiting racism and xenophobia against the Chinese, these journalists- prevented the truth from even being discussed, let alone being let out.

And I hope nobody falls for this now that the New York Times is on the side of truth. They're just engaged in reputational rehabilitation.

And I hope nobody falls for this now that the New York Times is on the side of truth. They're just engaged in reputational rehabilitation.

And I hope nobody falls for this now that the New York Times is on the side of truth. They're just engaged in reputational rehabilitation.

Yeah, we're both very passionate and spirited advocates of things we believe. And I love the fact that we can have those conversations. And it only, for me at least, enhances my respect for you. So I really appreciate having me on to do that.

Yeah, we're both very passionate and spirited advocates of things we believe. And I love the fact that we can have those conversations. And it only, for me at least, enhances my respect for you. So I really appreciate having me on to do that.

Yeah, we're both very passionate and spirited advocates of things we believe. And I love the fact that we can have those conversations. And it only, for me at least, enhances my respect for you. So I really appreciate having me on to do that.