Glenn Greenwald

And by that point, you know, she couldn't do any damage.

Like she obviously lost whatever access to classified information she had.

She was no longer in the army.

And so the question was, you know, why?

Same thing with Snowden, right?

Edward Snowden had access to a massive amount of top secret documents, gave them to me and to my reporting partner, Laura Poitras.

And yet they're still after Edward Snowden to this day.

They want to put him into prison forever, even though he obviously can do no more damage either.

The question is why?

And the reason is, is because they want to make examples of these people so that if you're somebody who's thinking about

you know, discovering government deceit or criminality and then disclosing it publicly through some means, you'll think to yourself, you know what, I just watched them destroy the lives of this person and that person and that person who did it.

So I know I don't want to do that because the same thing will happen to me.

Because everybody else in independent media will think, well, if they can actually criminally investigate Tucker, if they can actually credibly charge him or accuse him or intimidate him with the legal system, this is, you know, one of the biggest people in this media space about the biggest.

What can they do to me?

Maybe this is a topic I'd be best advised to to avoid.

It's a climate of fear, which is designed for deterrence that they're really most determined to create.

Yeah.

And again, not just those people who, you know, generally when they blow the whistle, that's, you know, they reveal what they have.

It's the people who end up in their situation, you know, inside the government with access to this information.

I mean, the most, you know, I think the most amazing story and to me is sort of like the grandfather of modern day whistleblowing was Daniel Ellsberg, who...