Glenn Greenwald

But you know, leave that aside for the second, Megan. We all have in our childhood, every single last one of us, some kind of difficulty. You could even call it trauma if you want to use the new modern day jargon because being a child is actually quite difficult because you're confronting a world that you don't actually have the mental capacity to interpret or understand.

But you know, leave that aside for the second, Megan. We all have in our childhood, every single last one of us, some kind of difficulty. You could even call it trauma if you want to use the new modern day jargon because being a child is actually quite difficult because you're confronting a world that you don't actually have the mental capacity to interpret or understand.

You end up misinterpreting things all the time. There are parts of us that society dislikes that we don't quite know how to express or that we feel judged by. There's huge numbers of people who end up with all kinds of childhood difficulties and don't feel a need to start a podcast where they essentially spend all their time complaining about that.

You end up misinterpreting things all the time. There are parts of us that society dislikes that we don't quite know how to express or that we feel judged by. There's huge numbers of people who end up with all kinds of childhood difficulties and don't feel a need to start a podcast where they essentially spend all their time complaining about that.

You end up misinterpreting things all the time. There are parts of us that society dislikes that we don't quite know how to express or that we feel judged by. There's huge numbers of people who end up with all kinds of childhood difficulties and don't feel a need to start a podcast where they essentially spend all their time complaining about that.

And you and I, I don't know if you remember, but the last time I was on your show, we did talk about Michelle Obama's podcast because on the list of people to feel sorry for or to think are oppressed or to think are somehow people who deserve our sympathetic attention, if you were to list all 8 billion people in the world, Michelle Obama would be

And you and I, I don't know if you remember, but the last time I was on your show, we did talk about Michelle Obama's podcast because on the list of people to feel sorry for or to think are oppressed or to think are somehow people who deserve our sympathetic attention, if you were to list all 8 billion people in the world, Michelle Obama would be

And you and I, I don't know if you remember, but the last time I was on your show, we did talk about Michelle Obama's podcast because on the list of people to feel sorry for or to think are oppressed or to think are somehow people who deserve our sympathetic attention, if you were to list all 8 billion people in the world, Michelle Obama would be

if not at the very bottom, like maybe six spots away from being at the bottom.

if not at the very bottom, like maybe six spots away from being at the bottom.

if not at the very bottom, like maybe six spots away from being at the bottom.

Okay, yeah, so I think if you listed all eight billion people on the planet in order of who deserves sympathy, she would be like seven spots away from the bottom, if not right at the bottom.

Okay, yeah, so I think if you listed all eight billion people on the planet in order of who deserves sympathy, she would be like seven spots away from the bottom, if not right at the bottom.

Okay, yeah, so I think if you listed all eight billion people on the planet in order of who deserves sympathy, she would be like seven spots away from the bottom, if not right at the bottom.

Well, this is the thing, Megan, you know, I grew up like very ordinary. My, my parents were like working class, middle-class, whatever we didn't have. I'm not, you know, we weren't in in-depth poverty, but we weren't, you know, at all prosperous either. Um, And only later in life did I start to find a certain career success because of my work.

Well, this is the thing, Megan, you know, I grew up like very ordinary. My, my parents were like working class, middle-class, whatever we didn't have. I'm not, you know, we weren't in in-depth poverty, but we weren't, you know, at all prosperous either. Um, And only later in life did I start to find a certain career success because of my work.

Well, this is the thing, Megan, you know, I grew up like very ordinary. My, my parents were like working class, middle-class, whatever we didn't have. I'm not, you know, we weren't in in-depth poverty, but we weren't, you know, at all prosperous either. Um, And only later in life did I start to find a certain career success because of my work.

You start to find financial stability and you start to find notoriety for your work. You know this very well. And it is possible that with all these things that you crave and that you always wanted once you get a hold of them, it does bring a certain kind of problem that you didn't anticipate, maybe psychological problems. How do you deal with attention, negative feedback or whatever? But-

You start to find financial stability and you start to find notoriety for your work. You know this very well. And it is possible that with all these things that you crave and that you always wanted once you get a hold of them, it does bring a certain kind of problem that you didn't anticipate, maybe psychological problems. How do you deal with attention, negative feedback or whatever? But-

You start to find financial stability and you start to find notoriety for your work. You know this very well. And it is possible that with all these things that you crave and that you always wanted once you get a hold of them, it does bring a certain kind of problem that you didn't anticipate, maybe psychological problems. How do you deal with attention, negative feedback or whatever? But-