Glenn Greenwald

But here's the problem, Megan, is that I can show you in 2016 and 2017 and 2018, all throughout the first Trump campaign, the first Trump presidency, all throughout the campaign again in 2020 and then in 2024, Democrats saying exactly these same things. We're not going to have a democracy if Trump wins in 2020. This may be the last election we ever have. If you ask Chuck Schumer,

what he thinks about Trump, he would say exactly what Chris Murphy said there, which is like, yeah, I think Trump's an authoritarian. I think he's threatening democracy. Trump, Chuck Schumer has been saying that. So this is, I think the Democrats problem is this is what the base of the party wants to hear.

what he thinks about Trump, he would say exactly what Chris Murphy said there, which is like, yeah, I think Trump's an authoritarian. I think he's threatening democracy. Trump, Chuck Schumer has been saying that. So this is, I think the Democrats problem is this is what the base of the party wants to hear.

what he thinks about Trump, he would say exactly what Chris Murphy said there, which is like, yeah, I think Trump's an authoritarian. I think he's threatening democracy. Trump, Chuck Schumer has been saying that. So this is, I think the Democrats problem is this is what the base of the party wants to hear.

And if you want to boost your social media numbers, if you want to get more cable hits, you know, if you want to seem like you're more influential on the party than you were previously, these are the things that you have to say. But in terms of actually defeating Trump, and not just Trump, but the Trump movement, the Republican Party is led by Trump, this has proven not to work.

And if you want to boost your social media numbers, if you want to get more cable hits, you know, if you want to seem like you're more influential on the party than you were previously, these are the things that you have to say. But in terms of actually defeating Trump, and not just Trump, but the Trump movement, the Republican Party is led by Trump, this has proven not to work.

And if you want to boost your social media numbers, if you want to get more cable hits, you know, if you want to seem like you're more influential on the party than you were previously, these are the things that you have to say. But in terms of actually defeating Trump, and not just Trump, but the Trump movement, the Republican Party is led by Trump, this has proven not to work.

People don't believe that Trump is a threat to democracy. Now, maybe with some of the things that they're doing that I actually do find controversial, but not... huge departures from the tradition of presidents, that message will resonate more with a broader base of people. But I don't think so.

People don't believe that Trump is a threat to democracy. Now, maybe with some of the things that they're doing that I actually do find controversial, but not... huge departures from the tradition of presidents, that message will resonate more with a broader base of people. But I don't think so.

People don't believe that Trump is a threat to democracy. Now, maybe with some of the things that they're doing that I actually do find controversial, but not... huge departures from the tradition of presidents, that message will resonate more with a broader base of people. But I don't think so.

I don't think they will ever come to see Donald Trump as some sort of Mussolini figure or Hitler figure or someone threatening American elections. That's just not how the American people, by and large, perceive Trump. And this is an easy message. He's a threat to our democracy. They've been using it for a decade, though, and it's just not working.

I don't think they will ever come to see Donald Trump as some sort of Mussolini figure or Hitler figure or someone threatening American elections. That's just not how the American people, by and large, perceive Trump. And this is an easy message. He's a threat to our democracy. They've been using it for a decade, though, and it's just not working.

I don't think they will ever come to see Donald Trump as some sort of Mussolini figure or Hitler figure or someone threatening American elections. That's just not how the American people, by and large, perceive Trump. And this is an easy message. He's a threat to our democracy. They've been using it for a decade, though, and it's just not working.

And I don't understand why they think it's going to work now.

And I don't understand why they think it's going to work now.

And I don't understand why they think it's going to work now.

Yeah. You know, I have to say there's a part of that with which I can empathize, because if you run for president, your entire family is subjected to immense amount of public scrutiny. Every aspect of your life is picked apart and disclosed. And the role of First Lady is not necessarily the freest role.

Yeah. You know, I have to say there's a part of that with which I can empathize, because if you run for president, your entire family is subjected to immense amount of public scrutiny. Every aspect of your life is picked apart and disclosed. And the role of First Lady is not necessarily the freest role.

Yeah. You know, I have to say there's a part of that with which I can empathize, because if you run for president, your entire family is subjected to immense amount of public scrutiny. Every aspect of your life is picked apart and disclosed. And the role of First Lady is not necessarily the freest role.

There's expectations of what you're supposed to do and can't do, the decorum that limit to what you can do. So I'm not necessarily going to say that I think it's outrageous that that wasn't something that she wanted for her life or expected for her life. But if that's really how she feels – and there's been reports for a long time that that is how she feels – It has to produce a lot of resentment.