Glennon Doyle

Feminist world.

Tell us about that for a minute.

Tell us how you realized, because when you say it was academia versus you, didn't you also figure out

that the answers weren't in the woo-woo world completely, and it wasn't in the Harvard world completely.

Yeah, yeah.

And that's what you told me, my first real life experience with you.

Okay, so our relationship had been one-sided.

It had been, as most of my relationships are, me with pages.

And so there's this moment where we meet for real on the phone because I call one of my dearest friends on earth.

Who is also one of your dearest friends on the earth.

How can you not love her?

And I told her that now I have accidentally fallen in love with a woman.

Which is the best love story I've ever read.

It's so exciting.

But at the time, Martha, I was scared shitless.

OK, because I kept because I had some other things going on in the world that might have opinions about this thing that had happened where I was kind of like a Mormon who just became a lesbian.

I mean, I was kind of in that situation.

Well, I called Liz first and I told Liz all the reasons why this was the worst idea in the world and why I couldn't do it.

And Liz said, I hear you.

And in this particular situation, we're going to need to call in the big guns and I need you to talk to Martha.