Glennon

We wanted you here for this conversation is because of all of those things, but also because we were thinking, what's the most extreme version of this that we can imagine? And maybe one of the iterations of an extreme version of this, I would also suggest my feminist friends in the evangelical church, but would be a woman kicking ass in the sports world. So welcome, Sarah Spain.

Thank you for being here.

Thank you for being here.

Thank you for being here.

I just need to just wow to that. I mean, actually, that's some deep shit. Because Gloria Steinem recently said... On our pod, like religion is just politics you can't argue with.

I just need to just wow to that. I mean, actually, that's some deep shit. Because Gloria Steinem recently said... On our pod, like religion is just politics you can't argue with.

I just need to just wow to that. I mean, actually, that's some deep shit. Because Gloria Steinem recently said... On our pod, like religion is just politics you can't argue with.

Yeah, exactly. Do you experience it not only from the outside? Because a lot of this is reactions from people on social media, which is one thing. But you're also experiencing, and I imagine, within the structure that you're trying to work inside of, not just outward facing, but inward facing.

Yeah, exactly. Do you experience it not only from the outside? Because a lot of this is reactions from people on social media, which is one thing. But you're also experiencing, and I imagine, within the structure that you're trying to work inside of, not just outward facing, but inward facing.

Yeah, exactly. Do you experience it not only from the outside? Because a lot of this is reactions from people on social media, which is one thing. But you're also experiencing, and I imagine, within the structure that you're trying to work inside of, not just outward facing, but inward facing.

Like preserving this ideal? But we also have to tell them that once it happens to them, the just world idea will come in and they will be crucified anyway. Because people who are raised in the atmosphere of, but what was she wearing? But was she drinking? That's still going to come.

Like preserving this ideal? But we also have to tell them that once it happens to them, the just world idea will come in and they will be crucified anyway. Because people who are raised in the atmosphere of, but what was she wearing? But was she drinking? That's still going to come.

Like preserving this ideal? But we also have to tell them that once it happens to them, the just world idea will come in and they will be crucified anyway. Because people who are raised in the atmosphere of, but what was she wearing? But was she drinking? That's still going to come.

So here's the question, Sarah, for you. I want to know for real in your industry, because we're all so separate from this now, right? Like one of the things that was amazing to me about the episode that wasn't is like, we had this experience where this dude came in and we were able to step away from it.

So here's the question, Sarah, for you. I want to know for real in your industry, because we're all so separate from this now, right? Like one of the things that was amazing to me about the episode that wasn't is like, we had this experience where this dude came in and we were able to step away from it.

So here's the question, Sarah, for you. I want to know for real in your industry, because we're all so separate from this now, right? Like one of the things that was amazing to me about the episode that wasn't is like, we had this experience where this dude came in and we were able to step away from it.

That was like something that was wild to us. And the feedback was like, you don't understand. This is my life every day at work. This is what I deal with day in and day out. And I don't have the power to just leave. This is my career. What does anything work? We know, we know that reporting it actually often makes women's lives harder.

That was like something that was wild to us. And the feedback was like, you don't understand. This is my life every day at work. This is what I deal with day in and day out. And I don't have the power to just leave. This is my career. What does anything work? We know, we know that reporting it actually often makes women's lives harder.

That was like something that was wild to us. And the feedback was like, you don't understand. This is my life every day at work. This is what I deal with day in and day out. And I don't have the power to just leave. This is my career. What does anything work? We know, we know that reporting it actually often makes women's lives harder.

I'm not interested in making women's lives harder just for some freaking idea that somebody said we should do like horseshit. Is there a third way? Is there's anything that you have found?