Gorden Tallis

And this is the elephant in the room.

It is the fact that the defence since Ben Teo has left that club has gone backwards.

Now, statistically, and there are people who are going to write it this week, that you have gone and looked at when Teo was there to when they're not, all these different markers, and there's been no acknowledgement.

They haven't replaced Ben Teo, but it was interesting talking to players and younger players about Teo, and it's not... They all loved him there, didn't they?

Yeah, but this is the thing that, as players, you would understand this.

I can understand Madge...

He's the head coach and his messaging at times would not always relate with younger blokes.

But what you do with your assistants is, because Ben Towers, he was able to go and give these blokes away from a cuddle, have a cup of tea with them, deliver the messaging.

It was like a buffer.

Yeah, a buffer.

And deliver a message in a different way that might get a response.

Well, also, he's been there as a player.

He took them away, but he actually... He took them to the pub, didn't he?

It was his idea.

Yeah, to go to the pub.

I don't understand why the assistant coaches have been muzzled and can't talk to media.

I don't understand that.

Not a lot of assistant coaches talk to media, though, Dobbo.

Are they banned?

I actually think that's the least of their issues, Dobbo.