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Gordon Carrera

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158. The Road to Iraq:  George Bush's Unstoppable War (Ep 6)

You never do that.

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158. The Road to Iraq:  George Bush's Unstoppable War (Ep 6)

Pretty good print run.

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158. The Road to Iraq:  George Bush's Unstoppable War (Ep 6)

So that's Saddam on the eve of the war.

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158. The Road to Iraq:  George Bush's Unstoppable War (Ep 6)

It's interesting.

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158. The Road to Iraq:  George Bush's Unstoppable War (Ep 6)

I was in Iraq in February 2003, so just a few weeks before, but in the northern bit of Iraq, the Kurdish bit of Iraq.

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158. The Road to Iraq:  George Bush's Unstoppable War (Ep 6)

And that is my memory of it.

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158. The Road to Iraq:  George Bush's Unstoppable War (Ep 6)

I was not penning novels.

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158. The Road to Iraq:  George Bush's Unstoppable War (Ep 6)

I was reporting for the Today program from the Kurdish part.

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158. The Road to Iraq:  George Bush's Unstoppable War (Ep 6)

But I have one very vivid memory, which is I was kind of

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158. The Road to Iraq:  George Bush's Unstoppable War (Ep 6)

working alongside the PUK or one of the Jalal Talabani, who was one of the kind of Kurdish leaders at the time.

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158. The Road to Iraq:  George Bush's Unstoppable War (Ep 6)

And we were going to a meeting of all the Iraqi exiles at a place called Saladin in this kind of autonomous bit of Iraq, outside of Iraqi control.

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158. The Road to Iraq:  George Bush's Unstoppable War (Ep 6)

And I'll never forget it because we were driving in a convoy and I was part of his convoy and we hit this kind of mountaintop and another convoy came towards us.

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158. The Road to Iraq:  George Bush's Unstoppable War (Ep 6)

And out of this other convoy, it stopped, both convoys stopped, came Ahmed Chalabi.

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158. The Road to Iraq:  George Bush's Unstoppable War (Ep 6)

And Chalabi came out, and Chalabi and Talabani, I remember seeing them embrace.

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158. The Road to Iraq:  George Bush's Unstoppable War (Ep 6)

And it was two guys who knew, we've got the Americans to do what we've been wanting to do for years, which is get rid of Saddam.

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158. The Road to Iraq:  George Bush's Unstoppable War (Ep 6)

There was this moment, this feel amongst the exiles, as they gathered for this conference at Saladin, that it was coming at last.

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158. The Road to Iraq:  George Bush's Unstoppable War (Ep 6)

And for lots of those people, the anticipation was enormous because they hated Saddam.

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158. The Road to Iraq:  George Bush's Unstoppable War (Ep 6)

He'd been their enemy.

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158. The Road to Iraq:  George Bush's Unstoppable War (Ep 6)

He'd been this ruthless tyrant despite his novelistic career.

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158. The Road to Iraq:  George Bush's Unstoppable War (Ep 6)

And he was finally going to be gone.