Gordon Carrera

Would you agree with that?

Welcome back.

We've been looking in this episode at the very interesting connections, very interesting life and death of Robert Maxwell, father of Jalad Maxwell, and in particular, his connections to the Israeli Mossad.

And I guess, Gordon, after looking at this, I mean,

How does it stack up?

What's your take on the connection?

I mean, first off, I guess there's what was Robert Maxwell's relationship with Mossad?

And I guess there's the second one, which is really integral to a lot of the sort of Epstein as spy theories is somehow that Robert Maxwell groomed or brought up Epstein to also work with or for Mossad.

Well, and Epstein does have contacts and links similar to Robert Maxwell to Israeli officials and former officials.

And one of the most well-documented ties links Epstein to Ehud Barak, who served as the

Later, he was the defense minister, we should say, up front.

Barack has acknowledged his relationship with Epstein and told the Wall Street Journal that over years of meeting with Epstein at his various mansions, he, quote, never participated in any party or any other inappropriate event whatsoever.

with him and had never met him with girls or minors, not even with adult women in the context of any inappropriate behavior.

Barack has said he first met Epstein in 2003 at an event attended by American dignitaries that was set up through the late Israeli president and statesman, Shabon Perez.

Yeah, business partners.

And I think as we've seen for some of Ehud Barak's leaked emails, they were friends.

And the two of them have this kind of longstanding personal and business relationship.

They meet dozens of times between meetings.

2013 and 2017 in New York and elsewhere.

And these leaked emails, Ehud Barak's emails, show the two men coordinating on business proposals, setting up meetings, talking strategy.