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Gordon Carrera

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160. Argo: The Secret Iranian Hostage Crisis (Ep 1)

But also, I think there are worries that the secret might be slipping out.

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160. Argo: The Secret Iranian Hostage Crisis (Ep 1)

I mean, there's some very interesting things going on briefly in Canada.

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160. Argo: The Secret Iranian Hostage Crisis (Ep 1)

You've got a Canadian prime minister who is being challenged by Pierre Trudeau, who's the former prime minister and leader of the opposition, about not doing enough

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160. Argo: The Secret Iranian Hostage Crisis (Ep 1)

for America and to stand up to America.

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160. Argo: The Secret Iranian Hostage Crisis (Ep 1)

And, you know, in Parliament, he's being kind of criticised.

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160. Argo: The Secret Iranian Hostage Crisis (Ep 1)

And so at one point, the Prime Minister goes to Pietro and tells him the secret that there are these American diplomats he's sheltering.

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160. Argo: The Secret Iranian Hostage Crisis (Ep 1)

Pietro still goes and criticises, you know, and kind of slams him because it's pretty brutal.

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160. Argo: The Secret Iranian Hostage Crisis (Ep 1)

But one of the problems they've got is actually some journalists are starting to learn about

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160. Argo: The Secret Iranian Hostage Crisis (Ep 1)

the secret that these diplomats might be missing.

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160. Argo: The Secret Iranian Hostage Crisis (Ep 1)

Journalists have pieced it together by a mixture of the fact that there are some unaccounted for Americans, and so suddenly word is getting out.

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160. Argo: The Secret Iranian Hostage Crisis (Ep 1)

One journalist in particular finds the secret and is asked to keep it secret, which he does to his tribute.

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160. Argo: The Secret Iranian Hostage Crisis (Ep 1)

His editor, I think, wanted to publish the story that they were sheltering these diplomats, but they agree not to.

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160. Argo: The Secret Iranian Hostage Crisis (Ep 1)

But at that point, the Canadians, I think say, the Canadian foreign minister goes to the US Secretary of State and says, this secret is not going to hold.

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160. Argo: The Secret Iranian Hostage Crisis (Ep 1)

We need to do something to get them out.

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160. Argo: The Secret Iranian Hostage Crisis (Ep 1)

And this is, by the time you get into mid-December, I think that the Canadians realise there is a time limit on how long they can hold them.

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And there's a need to do something.

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And what's so interesting, and this is another fascinating detail, is the US is kind of blind, as you say, CIA is pretty blind in terms of collection.

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So who becomes their surrogate collector on the ground?

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160. Argo: The Secret Iranian Hostage Crisis (Ep 1)

And the answer is Ken Taylor.

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the Canadian ambassador basically has to bail out the CIA whose people are being captured.