Gordon Carrera

And it's interesting because he does an interview with a local paper in Hong Kong revealing that the NSA had hacked Chinese mobile phone companies and a university.

Now this is particularly awkward at this time because almost literally at this moment President Obama is meeting the leader of China for a big summit at Sunnylands in America and the argument was the US was going to press China about its hacking of American companies and stealing of intellectual property and at this moment Edward Snowden turns up and goes, actually, we're hacking you.

Now this is particularly awkward at this time because almost literally at this moment President Obama is meeting the leader of China for a big summit at Sunnylands in America and the argument was the US was going to press China about its hacking of American companies and stealing of intellectual property and at this moment Edward Snowden turns up and goes, actually, we're hacking you.

Now this is particularly awkward at this time because almost literally at this moment President Obama is meeting the leader of China for a big summit at Sunnylands in America and the argument was the US was going to press China about its hacking of American companies and stealing of intellectual property and at this moment Edward Snowden turns up and goes, actually, we're hacking you.

And we're carrying out cyber espionage on China. And it is very awkward for the United States and for President Obama at that summit. But also, to me, it suggests that Snowden is trying to maybe buy some support in China in order to get out and get over there, perhaps, as one option.

And we're carrying out cyber espionage on China. And it is very awkward for the United States and for President Obama at that summit. But also, to me, it suggests that Snowden is trying to maybe buy some support in China in order to get out and get over there, perhaps, as one option.

And we're carrying out cyber espionage on China. And it is very awkward for the United States and for President Obama at that summit. But also, to me, it suggests that Snowden is trying to maybe buy some support in China in order to get out and get over there, perhaps, as one option.

No, and his argument is, and it's interesting, I think we'll come back to it, but his argument is there's an element of US hypocrisy in complaining about others spying on America when it's spying on them and that it's carrying out mass surveillance of Chinese citizens and collecting their bulk data. Now, I'll give you that's what spy agencies do, but you're right.

No, and his argument is, and it's interesting, I think we'll come back to it, but his argument is there's an element of US hypocrisy in complaining about others spying on America when it's spying on them and that it's carrying out mass surveillance of Chinese citizens and collecting their bulk data. Now, I'll give you that's what spy agencies do, but you're right.

No, and his argument is, and it's interesting, I think we'll come back to it, but his argument is there's an element of US hypocrisy in complaining about others spying on America when it's spying on them and that it's carrying out mass surveillance of Chinese citizens and collecting their bulk data. Now, I'll give you that's what spy agencies do, but you're right.

There is a kind of different tenor to some of these articles. But what's interesting is if he is trying to buy support to get into China, perhaps- Doesn't work. Doesn't work. They don't want him. It's really interesting because, you know, something which I think has only become clearer now is that the Chinese at that point know that this could become a big diplomatic row with the US.

There is a kind of different tenor to some of these articles. But what's interesting is if he is trying to buy support to get into China, perhaps- Doesn't work. Doesn't work. They don't want him. It's really interesting because, you know, something which I think has only become clearer now is that the Chinese at that point know that this could become a big diplomatic row with the US.

There is a kind of different tenor to some of these articles. But what's interesting is if he is trying to buy support to get into China, perhaps- Doesn't work. Doesn't work. They don't want him. It's really interesting because, you know, something which I think has only become clearer now is that the Chinese at that point know that this could become a big diplomatic row with the US.

The US are going to want him back. And if the Chinese are seen as sheltering him, they're going to get into problems. And relations with the US and China then, they're not as bad as they are now. And one former spy chief told me, he said, China should have kept him and squeezed him dry. That now is what a Western spy chief would have expected China to do.

The US are going to want him back. And if the Chinese are seen as sheltering him, they're going to get into problems. And relations with the US and China then, they're not as bad as they are now. And one former spy chief told me, he said, China should have kept him and squeezed him dry. That now is what a Western spy chief would have expected China to do.

The US are going to want him back. And if the Chinese are seen as sheltering him, they're going to get into problems. And relations with the US and China then, they're not as bad as they are now. And one former spy chief told me, he said, China should have kept him and squeezed him dry. That now is what a Western spy chief would have expected China to do.

He's kind of a political hot potato at this point. Yeah, he's a hot potato. And on June 21st, the US formally requests his extradition.

He's kind of a political hot potato at this point. Yeah, he's a hot potato. And on June 21st, the US formally requests his extradition.

He's kind of a political hot potato at this point. Yeah, he's a hot potato. And on June 21st, the US formally requests his extradition.

This attempt to bag Ed Snowden had failed. So he's going to be charged on the Espionage Act. And now his lawyers are kind of looking for a way out. So they are talking to Iceland and other countries where they think the kind of long arm of America might not reach them. And Iceland, it's interesting, is his first choice because it's quite big into internet freedom. Why doesn't he go there first?