Graeme Souness

And I think as he got a wee bit older, remember, I'm talking to an 18-year-old and saying this, and I think he got that.

And I come back to it, I think it was just the injury that prevented him reaching the heights that under normal, you know, fair wind he would have reached.

able to talk when I say it again now.

You know, you've got no chance of being successful at a football club unless you've got good senior pros.

See if you agree with this.

And what you just touched on there, Smudge, you know, someone's on, you know, he's 17, 18, on 10 grand a week and he gets his, you know, his eye is allowed to be taken off the ball.

That's when you're relying on your senior players to drag them back in time and point them out or point out the errors of their ways.

And I certainly went through that as a young man going to Liverpool and maybe early on,

not being a liverpool player and it's quickly pointed out to me this is what you do in this situation you do in that situation i learned so much and i think you're right you know i think from the age of 12 even before they get the traction with their initials on it a bag with their name on it and they're called chelsea players or they're called liverpool players or man united players and they've not even got on the first run of the ladder yet and they're you know they may have had a

Parents might have had a house bought for them.

And they get too much too soon.

Maybe that's the rest of the world, you know, not just in football.

Like we all went through apprenticeships.

I can still relate back to that, how I learned things.

At Tottenham, Jamie, the best job you had was doing the brasses.

And that meant the brass plates... Oh, I agree.

I believe that.

Just a bit.

The brass plates that were holding the doors and on the door handles.

It was, you know, when you got to the 17, you became a senior apprentice.