Graham Hancock
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first heard Oct 2024
last heard Oct 2024
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His son joined us. Santa was there. It was very friendly and very positive. I love stories like that. And, you know, we've agreed that we will, if by chance, we get a season three of Ancient Apocalypse, which we may or may not get. I'm not in control of commissioning decisions at Netflix. But if we get a season three of Ancient Apocalypse, I would like it to be entirely on Egypt.
And what I would like is for Zahi to confront me on every point as we go through Egypt. Whatever one says about Zahi's explosive personality, he's been immersed in ancient Egyptian Egyptology for his whole life. And he has very strong points of view on it. And he's a fun guy in some ways.
Yeah, I'm hoping to persuade him of that. I think it'll be an interesting dialogue if we get to have it.
This is propaganda. This is archaeological propaganda. That's been said to me repeatedly, that I'm suggesting that all the achievements of certain indigenous cultures around the world should actually be handed to a lost civilization, that ideas were brought to them. Yet, weirdly, those same archaeologists recognize that agriculture was introduced to Europe before
by immigrants from precisely the gobekli tepe area that's that's where agriculture wasn't present in europe until five or six thousand years ago it was brought in by other people people this is part of the human nature that we share ideas sure somebody has a great idea we look at that we think we'd like a bit of that too teach me how to do it and this happened this happens all the time and it doesn't mean that the person who's being taught is any less than the person who's doing the teaching the person who's being taught may have things to teach themselves
I've always felt that there were – if there was a lost civilization at all and I believe there was but I can't absolutely prove it. I think we're looking at a terrible cataclysm. Part of it happened near Gobekli Tepe. Abu Huraira in Syria was hit by one of those airbursts, absolutely incinerated at that time. A terrible cataclysm with relatively few survivors.
And that those survivors, just as we would do today, took refuge amongst people who'd made it through the disaster better. And those people who'd made it through would most likely have been hunter-gatherers. Because hunter-gatherers are so resilient and so able to survive disasters, whereas people in a quote-unquote civilized condition are often not.
I understand that the hurricanes that are happening in the U.S. at the moment are horrific, horrific natural events which are killing people. But we're talking about something on a scale vastly larger than that. And it's difficult for me to see. We find it hard enough to make it through a hurricane.
I find it difficult to see how we could make it through another Younger Dryas impact event or how we could make it through a man-made cataclysm as a result of nuclear war, which is I suspect and I fear is much closer than we think. I hate the idea. that nuclear missiles may be flying in my lifetime or the lifetime of my children.
But I have to say, honestly, it's a possibility with the state of the world at the moment and the low state of consciousness of the people who lead us. The leaders and governments are behind this. It's not human beings, individual people who are behind this hatred in the world today. It's leaders and governments who are mobilizing that hatred to serve their own interests. And it's very dangerous.
If we didn't have nukes, it would be less dangerous.
Generally, with any archaeological site, they don't excavate more than 5% of it and often less than 2% of it. Is that because of funds? It's often because of funds, but it's also because of the feeling that as technology improves, more may be learned from these sites in the future. And that's a reasonable argument. Because excavation is destruction.
To a certain extent, excavation destroys what's being excavated. And therefore, when you interfere with a site and start excavating it, you may be destroying materials that in 100 years, technology would be able to interpret in a completely different way. I mean, go back 100 years from where we are at present, and you didn't have carbon dating, you didn't have... You didn't have LIDAR.
You didn't have all kinds of methods of dating objects. You know, luminescence, the luminescence from rocks is another way of dating. We didn't have any of those technologies. We do have them now. And so I think the speculation is 100 years in the future, archaeologists may have technologies that would be able to extract more information than this. That's the case that's made. I get it.
But I think Gobekli Tepe is such an important site. And we know...
I know for sure because I spent three days with Klaus Schmidt who was the original excavator of Gobekli Tepe that underneath that place there are dozens of huge unexcavated stone circles with enormous megalithic pillars in them all under the ground waiting to be excavated and the decision appears to have been made not to excavate them. And I do find that slightly suspicious. I do find it odd.
I think the site has got such an important role. It's such an iconic site that to just stop the excavation or to only continue it in a very small way isn't satisfactory.
Yeah. I don't want to be a conspiracy theorist. Please do. Jump right in. But there is an issue here. I've noticed that it isn't just attacks on me that certain archaeologists are making. It's also attacks on other specialists.
For example, Danny Hillman, who is the geologist who brought to the world's attention the mystery of Gunung Padang in Indonesia, which appeared in the first episode of season one of Ancient Apocalypse.
the possibility that this site is more than 27,000 years old, that we're looking at a pyramidal structure that has had several phases of work done on it and that the earliest phases go back deep into the last ice age. He managed to publish a peer-reviewed paper on this, but unfortunately for Danny, he'd appeared on my show.
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