Grant Harvey

Are these people...

Are they creating their own demise?

I don't think they are.

I think in lots of situations, A, just the evaluative nature of some of these tasks is going to mean that there's going to be a value of human oversight.

And I think one thing that I'm really interested in, you read about entry-level jobs going down in certain industries because of AI, etc.,

Who do people think are going to do the leadership jobs in 20 years' time?

Yeah, that matters.

And I think this is where also people... I think there's going to be surprising human reactions to certain things.

And there might be a premium on human contact and human engagement.

I just don't... I think people are saying we're going to have 99% unemployment.

Haven't engaged with how humans work.

Yeah.

Luddism was very fashionable in the 1830s, but we got beyond the mills.

I'd love that.

Yeah, I've seen that as well, because there is a very utopian... And ultimately, these are complex, and the incentive drivers are going to lead to all sorts of unexpected impacts, but

I think anyone who's saying, anyone who's saying AI will be 100% utopian is naive.

Anyone who's saying AI will be 100% dystopian is naive.

Yeah, I agree.

It's going to be complex.

It involves people.