Grant Harvey

I look at you guys, I look at Gemini, I look at Anthropic, and I think that opening eyes gives me more information about what it's doing than Gemini says, for sure.

Kind of shows you, yeah, the flaws in your own thinking, actually.

It does.

Which is kind of interesting.

I kind of agree with you.

I mean, it's exciting for us, but also it's like, give me some time to process.

People did some stuff.

Oh, I did have one last lightning round question for you, which is, are you, Corey and I debate this, are you thinking on always or depending on the task?

So for me, I'm always, every task, always thinking is on.

Where do you land on that?

Bowen, where can people find your work and follow what you're doing next?

Doing good, Corey.

Doing great, actually.

Really excited about this one.

And Darren has a fascinating take that goes against what everyone's saying right now.

While the industry is screaming AI agents everywhere, he's arguing that companies need to get their automation house in order first, or they're setting themselves up for failure.

So, Darren, I guess our first question is something Corey and I talked a bit about is we usually tell people that there's a lot of companies that are, you know, marketing AI agents, let's say, but they're actually just, you know, agentic or automation workflows.

Both are cool.

But for an AI to be an agent, it needs to reason and act on a user's behalf.

So which one is make building?