Grant

And as these go, it's been quite possibly the most intuitive I've found yet, as a guy who is absolutely not a software engineer, a developer, a coder, or any of the things.

it has been really intuitive for me.

Like I was able to tell it, Hey, I don't know any of this.

I need you to, if you have something and you need me to come get it, be clear.

And this, this tool does that really well.

It gives me steps by step by steps and I go back and forth with it.

And it seems to know what I want when I ask for it, which is pretty amazing.

One of our funniest moments ever in a recording happened around it, too.

We were talking to Ilya Polosukhin, who had...

he was one of the original researchers on the attention is all you need paper that kind of started the transform that did start the transformer movement.

And we had him on talking about near protocol, near AI, the things he's working on.

And, um,

In there, we asked him, you know, what tools do you use?

And he said V0.

And in harmony, Grant and I both said, ooh.

And everybody at the office made fun of us.

So it was a lot of fun.

But, you know, with no further ado here, I'd like to bring up Vercel's chief product officer, Tom Ochino.

Tom is a great guy.

Met him in Vegas.