Gray Robert Brown

but yeah he i think he was the one that said that the yeah there's uh the rose and the thistle is the swedish um is a swedish title i feel like that should be the scottish edition you're just saying that because we've been we've been well and abir makaji we've had a day we've had a day of scottish prime excellence the scottish

They are, they are.

But it's interesting though because that does change the metaphor because that means, to me, that means romance and pain.

Yes, agreed.

Whereas Rose and the Yew Tree is sort of intemperance and sort of permanence and fleeting moments of beauty.

But they also call it Isabella in some editions.

And, you know, I think that speaks to her importance as a character because she really is compelling and really particularly to the narrator who is, you know, our first person guide through the whole thing.

The Japanese go one further.

And I'm getting this from Kemper.

This is Kemper's research from...

This is in the All About Agatha episode about the fourth man.

I think maybe somebody, it's a mailbag portion of that episode, but the Japanese title is Isabella Forever, which takes it one step further.

Sounds like a Rick Astley song or something.

do you think yeah well it's extra romantic isn't it it's not just well i guess yeah unlike the rose she's not yeah she's enduring in this version yeah whether or not that is borne out by the story whether or not she does last is uh remains to be seen no spoilers um but they also translate it as dark embrace i love that that's so cheesy i don't know if i like

I think they're ambiguous enough that they could also be rose petals slash thorns even, which is a clever design decision.

If it was a decision, it's a clever one.

Come on, let's give them the benefit of the doubt.

I mean, to be fair, also, we're still in rationing.

So, you know, maybe like two colours and mostly just text.

Yeah, that's okay.