Greg Barton

So the best way to overcome that very human and predictable problem is to have full-time counterterrorism coordinator and full-time people assigned to support that.

So they build trust and they just have continuity because you don't know when something bad is going to happen.

If you don't have that continuity, you know, things might go along well for a few years and then there's a bit of a changeover.

And in that changeover, unbeknownst to you, something's happening and you're not as sharp as you should be as an organization or a series of organizations.

No one organization can do this by itself.

No one individual.

So sharing in a timely and complete fashion is the key.

And everything you can do in terms of systems to put that in place and give people a chance to build relationships and keep them is important.

Yeah, I'm not so worried about Islamic State exploiting this Royal Commission process.

I'm more worried about the way that we talk about the findings and the process so that we don't give any advantage to Islamic State or al-Qaeda or a far-right group or any other group.

What we need to recognize is that we're dealing with two separate but interacting problems.

One is anti-Semitism, so just racist, bigotry, hate, and that can be just at a level of personal animosity.

Human beings are very susceptible to this.

even more so when they're in groups.

So your group identification can lead you to sort of taking a racist, anti-Semitic stance.

But violent extremist groups like Al-Qaeda, Islamic State, the far right, neo-Nazi groups do this at a much higher level and often with a much more direct focus on violent attacks.

And they will use global affairs, what's happening in the Middle East, what's happening around the world, to make it easy for them to spin a narrative which helps them to recruit.

That intersects with general anti-Semitism, but it's a quite separate thing.

We need to be clear to look at both things at once, lest we do harm to efforts on one side by focusing on the other.

So what we know is that the politics in Israel, the actions of the Netanyahu government, have led to a greatly diminished sense of confidence in that government, including across Jewish communities.