Greg Jenner

Is there a sort of like in memoriam section where he's like, she, you know, I really needed her? Or does he just sort of pretend she never really did anything important?

So she got enslaved workers too?

So she got enslaved workers too?

Right.

Right.

Right, so they're legitimate there.

Right, so they're legitimate there.

Cortez does downplay her a bit in his letters, but other writers sort of put her back into the picture at the time.

Cortez does downplay her a bit in his letters, but other writers sort of put her back into the picture at the time.

Yeah, yeah, it does feel very saintly.

Yeah, yeah, it does feel very saintly.

This brings us to my next question, actually, Amy, because for so long, Cortez has been on the run. from the Spanish authorities. People have been sending armies after him. But he finally conquers Mexico, which means presumably he gets to go to the King of Spain. Hello, this is yours because of me. So do you want to let me off and give me a job? I mean, does he get a reward?

This brings us to my next question, actually, Amy, because for so long, Cortez has been on the run. from the Spanish authorities. People have been sending armies after him. But he finally conquers Mexico, which means presumably he gets to go to the King of Spain. Hello, this is yours because of me. So do you want to let me off and give me a job? I mean, does he get a reward?

He can't just settle for something and go, this is fine, this is enough.

He can't just settle for something and go, this is fine, this is enough.

So, yeah. So the king appoints an investigator, Ponce de Leon, to come after him. Strips him of his governorship in 1526. Yeah. And Cortes does the classic apprentice candidate thing of banging on the boardroom door saying, let me in. Come on, I've got to, you know. And then Cortes is accused of poisoning Ponce de Leon. Yes.

So, yeah. So the king appoints an investigator, Ponce de Leon, to come after him. Strips him of his governorship in 1526. Yeah. And Cortes does the classic apprentice candidate thing of banging on the boardroom door saying, let me in. Come on, I've got to, you know. And then Cortes is accused of poisoning Ponce de Leon. Yes.

What are they dying from? I think they're dying from Cortez. We are.

What are they dying from? I think they're dying from Cortez. We are.

And then, obviously, we mentioned Catalina very early in the episode. His lovely wife, who he left behind. 1522, he'd left her behind. She comes out to see him at last. And they have a party, and then she's found dead. There's reports of finger marks on her throat.