Greg Jenner

This is a hinge point in history, right?

Because if he'd crushed Rome in that moment, we might never have had the Roman Empire.

Okay, so the hailstorm is probably a later sort of Roman literary sort of legend or whatever.

But he doesn't take Rome and then it doesn't kind of work out.

So he gets sort of trapped down in Brutium.

And he's there for four years.

So he's been at war in Italy for 15 years and then suddenly he gets a letter saying, get home.

Ten ships.

It's handing over your elephants, like in a movie where a sort of maverick cop has to turn a shield and gun.

I mean, so, Joe, in terms of what we know, was Hannibal colluding with Antiochus of Syria, the...

Darren, do you know what happens to Hannibal in the end?

No.

Okay, time now for the nuance window.

This is where Darren and I sit silently in the command tent to strategise for two minutes while Professor Joe takes centre stage to tell us something we need to know about ancient North Africa.

So my stopwatch is ready.

Take it away, Professor Quinn.

What a story.

Thank you, Joe.

I mean, Sofa Nisba, she really, I mean, she played quite a dangerous game there.

Yeah.