Greg Jenner

There's no one in the 16th century who's a nice person in power. Like, you have to be cruel. You have to be ruthless. You have to be ruthless.

Yeah, that's how power works in the 16th. I mean, people have often commented she's very Cersei Lannister. That's the very Game of Thrones. I disagree with this. I know you do. And I think this is the thing. Catherine is often seen through the lens of other people from history. And it's an interesting legacy. 1574, King Charles dies. Her son dies again. She's now on to her third son. Yes.

Yeah, that's how power works in the 16th. I mean, people have often commented she's very Cersei Lannister. That's the very Game of Thrones. I disagree with this. I know you do. And I think this is the thing. Catherine is often seen through the lens of other people from history. And it's an interesting legacy. 1574, King Charles dies. Her son dies again. She's now on to her third son. Yes.

Another Henri.

Another Henri.

The spare for the spare.

The spare for the spare.

And now we're on to Henri.

And now we're on to Henri.

He's Hercule, isn't he? And so you've got Henri, he's having his go as king. Luckily, he's already had some useful work experience. Shappi, do you know why?

He's Hercule, isn't he? And so you've got Henri, he's having his go as king. Luckily, he's already had some useful work experience. Shappi, do you know why?

No, weirdly, he was king of Poland for a bit.

No, weirdly, he was king of Poland for a bit.

It's like the Duke of Edinburgh Award. So, Estelle, can you tell us about Henri, the new, new, new king of France?

It's like the Duke of Edinburgh Award. So, Estelle, can you tell us about Henri, the new, new, new king of France?

Yeah, he's a good-looking fella.

Yeah, he's a good-looking fella.

So gorgeous.

So gorgeous.

Sorry, chaps. Loved being king of Poland. Gotta go.