Greg Jenner

Well, you live there half the time.

That would be good.

That would be good.

I mean, the artists that we're talking about here, they're interested in Elizabethan, but it's the medieval world that they're particularly drawn to.

I mean, the artists that we're talking about here, they're interested in Elizabethan, but it's the medieval world that they're particularly drawn to.

Sure. But it's a romantic medieval. I'm a medievalist by training. Oh my God, the pressure is on now. The medieval world was violent and dark and scary. And of course, there was art and beauty and philosophy. But this is not a time necessarily of great joy and pleasantness. But the arts and crafts movement, they see it as a romantic age.

Sure. But it's a romantic medieval. I'm a medievalist by training. Oh my God, the pressure is on now. The medieval world was violent and dark and scary. And of course, there was art and beauty and philosophy. But this is not a time necessarily of great joy and pleasantness. But the arts and crafts movement, they see it as a romantic age.

And talking of great men of the Victorian era, we should probably mention Ruskin. Do you know Ruskin?

And talking of great men of the Victorian era, we should probably mention Ruskin. Do you know Ruskin?

Try another man's name from the period.

Try another man's name from the period.

John Ruskin. John Ruskin, well done. There you go. You get there in the end. I've heard of him. He's an extraordinary figure in the 19th century. He's slightly debated these days. Everything. Amongst everything else. Absolutely everything. Architect, critic, painter, writer, philosopher, poet.

John Ruskin. John Ruskin, well done. There you go. You get there in the end. I've heard of him. He's an extraordinary figure in the 19th century. He's slightly debated these days. Everything. Amongst everything else. Absolutely everything. Architect, critic, painter, writer, philosopher, poet.

He's what the Victorians would call him, a great man.

He's what the Victorians would call him, a great man.

He's a polymath. And he's kind of an inspiration for the arts and crafts movement.

He's a polymath. And he's kind of an inspiration for the arts and crafts movement.

Intellectual kind of figurehead, I would say.

Intellectual kind of figurehead, I would say.

Okay, so we have some of our intellectual figures. Let's move on to William Morris. We've name-checked him already.